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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 9:55 am 
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A reasoning was provided for why faculty felt Milo shouldn't speak. Harassment, incitement, defamation - all not protected speech. What do you have to say about the opposition of speech that isn't protected by the first amendment?


When was he convcited of doing those things? Oh yeah never.

BTW black lives matter ruotinely riots and kills cops yet they invited on of its founders without objection.

Hypocrisy again? you bet

Defund Berkeley.

Wait a second...has the speaker they had from BLM rioted or killed police? Does that speaker routinely incite violence when speaking? Can you come up with any real instances of the BLM speaker you mentioned doing any of the things Milo has done while speaking at colleges? It has to be the same thing for hypocrisy to apply.

Also Milo doesn't have to be convicted to have someone point out that he crosses the free speech line.

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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 12:19 pm 

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RW wrote:
Wait a second...has the speaker they had from BLM rioted or killed police? Does that speaker routinely incite violence when speaking? Can you come up with any real instances of the BLM speaker you mentioned doing any of the things Milo has done while speaking at colleges? It has to be the same thing for hypocrisy to apply.


Actaully what Berkeley did was worse. They brought someone in from a black hate group. it's the equivalent of bringing in someone from the kkk.

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Also Milo doesn't have to be convicted to have someone point out that he crosses the free speech line.


That's their opinion, it carries no weight because their opinion is biased. Letting in someone from a left wing hate group that riots and kills cops, While trying to reject Milo, is worse than a double standard.

ts too bad there won't be nearly enough justice here-- if there were, the mayor would be thrown in jail for aiding and abetting a riot.

Hard to believe Berkelely was once dubbed the "birthplace of free speech." Now its the home of violent left wing brownshirts, an indoctrination camp, and a Nazi-esque mayor.


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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 12:26 pm 

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Demonstrating once again their vile hypocrisy and rejection of freedom of speech, the student left would rather riot than listen.

https://www.rt.com/usa/376001-milo-yian ... t-protest/

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Get used to the new norm, as the divide between the left and the rest of the world becomes a chasm.

Its only just beginning.


No doubt, more riots to come in that New Weimar Republic to the South of us.
States is about to rip apart at the seams. you're right, this is only the beginning.
Whereas the Women's March on DC was what you could call the 'Pussy Riots', now Trump's opposition is gonna send out its storm troopers. Rioters in Berkley today, Black Lives matter tearing up the streets of LA, Chicago or some other 'sanctuary' city tomorrow. Like they did back in '92:

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Only it won't be one city, but several this time. That's what I see comin' for the next 4 years.

People who've lost all their benefits and services or are about to with Trump's impending budget cuts, figure they have nothing left to lose, so they will riot. This is what happens when extremists come to power - they enable other extremists which are diametric opposites of the other.

Right Wing Extremists begat Left Wing Extremists and the cycle renews itself over and over and over again. They bring out the worst in each other. This is what happens when you have a winner take all system like the United States.


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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 12:29 pm 
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Yeah Right wrote:
That's their opinion, it carries no weight because their opinion is biased. Letting in someone from a left wing hate group that riots and kills cops, While trying to reject Milo, is worse than a double standard.

Defund Berkeley

Also all the victims should sue Berkelely and the mayors office., Its too bad there won't be nearly enough justice here-- if there were, this mayor would be thrown in jail for aiding and abetting a riot.

No actually it's not a double standard. If the BLM person was doing the same thing on college campuses as Milo was, then it would be.

My personal opinion on the matter is if you don't want to be insulted, or exposed to Milo's crap, then don't attend his event. Easy.

The other thing is that Berkeley did everything in it's power to see the event went ahead. It isn't the university that was protesting Milo but rather opposing students. Most of the rioting vandals were reportedly not students, but affiliates of the “antifa” (anti-fascist) movement. Trump is blaming Berkeley for the actions of a group of masked anti-fascist protesters.

Berkeley has responded as well:

UC Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks had refused demands to cancel Yiannopoulos’s appearance last week, explaining in a letter to the university community that the constitution prohibits Berkeley, a public institution, “from banning expression based on its content or viewpoints, even when those viewpoints are hateful and discriminatory.”

So if Berkeley refused to cancel the event in the name of free speech, why should Trump punish them with defunding?

Not only that but “there is no legal provision for President Trump to deny a public or private institution federal funds on account of their treatment of speech.” Lee Rowland, Senior Staff Attorney specializing in free speech at ACLU, agreed: “Even if there were some magical ability for the federal government or the president to punish a university for speech—and there absolutely is not under current law—UC Berkeley did everything to make sure the event happened."

Clear?

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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 5:20 pm 

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That's right if you don't like Milo don't go. Nobody is forced to listen. But the left played right into milos plan, and proved his point once again, that way too many on the american left will do anything to silence dissent.

As to the antifascist fascists. It needs looking into as to who is funding them (probably soros) and they should go to jail for it under RICOH laws. BTW it has come out that one of the antifa protestors, who bragged about assaulting someone, is a Berkeley staff member. Will he be fired? (more likely promoted)

The mayor should go to jail if he helped incite the riot and told the cops to stand down. Apparently the FBI is looking into it. And the city should be sued by all victims of left wing attackers.

Perhaps the chancellor is not to blame, but I am not sure. As Berkeley is no stranger to ugly leftist behavior--

Berkeley is the school where protesters formed human chains to stop white and Asian students from getting to class
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -white-st/

They even know the students names who organized it, were they ever punished?
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/rules-f ... -of-color/

I suspect if it was looked into the hypocritical signers of that letter probably had no problem with this much worse bit of harrassment.

BTW a study shows that Berkeley, like other UC campuses, is completely non neutral politically, and that quality of education is being destroyed by pushing left wing political activism.
https://www.nas.org/images/documents/A_ ... etence.pdf

Any college that does not make a sincere effort not to take sides politically, should be defunded. The idea that they can use taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate students is unaccaptable. Don't you agree??


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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 5:40 pm 
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What part of "cannot defund legally" is still unclear?

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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 5:46 pm 
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I would not take the opinion of an ACLU member as an authority.

Federal funds are distributed by the Federal Government at its discretion, unless there is a legislated funding process.

However, punishing the university is silly. It will not achieve anything.

However, Governments have stood idly by as universities have become more and more breeding grounds for leftism, rather than balanced and equivocal centres of learning. This needs to be addressed.

University staff who preach one side of politics or the other should be removed.

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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 5:52 pm 
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At no point did the staff weigh in politically in their letter.

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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 5:54 pm 

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Governments have stood idly by as universities have become more and more breeding grounds for leftism, rather than balanced and equivocal centres of learning. This needs to be addressed.

University staff who preach one side of politics or the other should be removed.


those last two lines are right on target

Maybe defunding isn't the answer, but something needs to be done. The current situation is completely unacceptable.


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Unread postPosted: February 4th, 2017, 8:14 pm 

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Bricktop wrote:
University staff who preach one side of politics or the other should be removed.


In theory or the ideal world, that's a great idea. But in reality, whomever gets in power in the US will favor those who share their POV and political inclinations.

So if a Democratic administration gets in - they favor leftists, for jobs, appointments, who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

But if a Republican administration gets in - then they favor Right Wingers for jobs, appointments and who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

And of course, the USA being such a political and litigious place, the party who gets in can make or break your career. I suppose that's why many Americans fret around election time about the prospect who may be coming to power.


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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 11:38 am 

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I know this show is mostly a joke, but I have to Give Whoopi Gooldberg some credit here, she got it exactly right (Joy Behar OTOH :001_rolleyes: )

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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 2:15 pm 
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University staff who preach one side of politics or the other should be removed.


In theory or the ideal world, that's a great idea. But in reality, whomever gets in power in the US will favor those who share their POV and political inclinations.

So if a Democratic administration gets in - they favor leftists, for jobs, appointments, who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

But if a Republican administration gets in - then they favor Right Wingers for jobs, appointments and who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

And of course, the USA being such a political and litigious place, the party who gets in can make or break your career. I suppose that's why many Americans fret around election time about the prospect who may be coming to power.


What you are highlighting, Joe, is the divisive and ultimately destructive nature of western adversity-based politics. This is the culmination of centuries of a political structure that BY DEFINITION pits one tribe against another...or others.

Having the right to vote does NOT define democracy. Working together for the common good does.

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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 3:07 pm 
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Bricktop wrote:
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Bricktop wrote:
University staff who preach one side of politics or the other should be removed.


In theory or the ideal world, that's a great idea. But in reality, whomever gets in power in the US will favor those who share their POV and political inclinations.

So if a Democratic administration gets in - they favor leftists, for jobs, appointments, who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

But if a Republican administration gets in - then they favor Right Wingers for jobs, appointments and who they get to keep, fire, etc. And if you say something bad about them, you may well be axed.

And of course, the USA being such a political and litigious place, the party who gets in can make or break your career. I suppose that's why many Americans fret around election time about the prospect who may be coming to power.


What you are highlighting, Joe, is the divisive and ultimately destructive nature of western adversity-based politics. This is the culmination of centuries of a political structure that BY DEFINITION pits one tribe against another...or others.

Having the right to vote does NOT define democracy. Working together for the common good does.

Liberty is more important than voting. Iranians elect their government, but there is very little liberty. Hong Kong still cannot elect it's Chief Executive, but the people enjoy a great deal of liberty.

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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 3:28 pm 

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Liberty is more important than voting. Iranians elect their government, but there is very little liberty. Hong Kong still cannot elect it's Chief Executive, but the people enjoy a great deal of liberty.


...and yet they still don't have any freedom.

Xiao Jianhua, 46 year old billionaire, disappeared ovenight from Hong Kong after he was arrested by police and whisked away to China.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/asia/chin ... o-jianhua/

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...even billionaires don't have rights in Hong Kong. Cross the wrong people and they get you.


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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 4:09 pm 
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...even billionaires don't have rights in Hong Kong. Cross the wrong people and they get you.

Oh he has rights under the territory's basic law. Even your own article stated Hong Kong authorities were investigating his disappearance.

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Unread postPosted: February 5th, 2017, 5:06 pm 
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Liberty is more important than voting.


True, but real liberty should include electing our Governments.

It seems that "liberty" in the West is defined by the fact that we can vote. But our freedoms have been eroded so much over the recent years, that we have lost our liberty regardless of who is elected.

Governments are now so separated from the people that they have NO clue what our lives are like, and what impact their moronics have on us.

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Unread postPosted: February 7th, 2017, 9:22 pm 

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Berkeley Student Paper Publishes Several Columns PRAISING Anti-Milo Riot
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/07/berke ... z4Y4GzsRE3

No less than 5 columns endorsing the violence and rioting that took place.

Berkeley was called the "Birthplace of free speech" now its is the place where left wing brown shirts murdered it


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Unread postPosted: February 7th, 2017, 9:24 pm 
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If a person protests intolerance does that make them tolerant or intolerant?

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Berkeley Student Paper Publishes Several Columns PRAISING Anti-Milo Riot
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/07/berke ... z4Y4GzsRE3

No less than 5 columns endorsing the violence and rioting that took place.

Berkeley was called the "Birthplace of free speech" now its is the place where left wing brown shirts murdered it

Maybe they can be the birth place of free market education when they lose government funding for their Ernst Roehm tactics.

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Unread postPosted: February 7th, 2017, 10:17 pm 
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Once again, the school did everything it could to promote free speech. Students publishing columns about the event are further exercising their freedom of speech.

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