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Unread postPosted: February 1st, 2017, 8:37 pm 
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Ask him?

I presume it is because he told the electorate that is what he WOULD do if elected, and they elected HIM.

:oeudC:

His predecessors did the same thing as Trump, but did not tell the people about it. I guess ignorance is bliss.

The media is far more diligent with Trump :)

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Unread postPosted: February 1st, 2017, 10:24 pm 
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RW wrote:
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Ask him?

I presume it is because he told the electorate that is what he WOULD do if elected, and they elected HIM.

:oeudC:

That's not a rationale for an action.

Nice try.


I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

Gettit...

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Unread postPosted: February 1st, 2017, 10:40 pm 

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I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

That is indead the ultimate no brainer. In fact at the moment, Syria would be unable to respond .. and if they could it of course would not be truth .. same basically applies to the others ... poor records is a certainty ... even deliberate deception is always possible from these lands to non believer lands

Any way one slices it, "Responsible" Vetting is NOT possible from any islamic land ... they are all un-vettable = even thoughts of entry is the ultimate duh!! .. and suicidal

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Unread postPosted: February 1st, 2017, 11:01 pm 
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I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

That is indead the ultimate no brainer. In fact at the moment, Syria would be unable to respond .. and if they could it of course would not be truth .. same basically applies to the others ... poor records is a certainty ... even deliberate deception is always possible from these lands to non believer lands

Any way one slices it, "Responsible" Vetting is NOT possible from any islamic land ... they are all un-vettable = even thoughts of entry is the ultimate duh!!

That's the part that doesn't make sense...why allow entry to some from Islamic lands and not others?

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Unread postPosted: February 1st, 2017, 11:03 pm 
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Bricktop wrote:
RW wrote:
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Ask him?

I presume it is because he told the electorate that is what he WOULD do if elected, and they elected HIM.

:oeudC:

That's not a rationale for an action.

Nice try.


I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

Gettit...

Doesn't the US issue travel VISAs to people who want to come to the US?

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 1:35 am 
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I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

That is indead the ultimate no brainer. In fact at the moment, Syria would be unable to respond .. and if they could it of course would not be truth .. same basically applies to the others ... poor records is a certainty ... even deliberate deception is always possible from these lands to non believer lands

Any way one slices it, "Responsible" Vetting is NOT possible from any islamic land ... they are all un-vettable = even thoughts of entry is the ultimate duh!!

That's the part that doesn't make sense...why allow entry to some from Islamic lands and not others?


Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and the UAE all have functioning and effective governments and bureaucracies.

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 7:45 am 

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I still would have greatly preferred if Trump had eliminated immigration from all or nearly all Muslim countires. Most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi, the two recent truck driver murderers (in Germany and France) were from Tunisia.

The left was going to go hysterical no matter what he did. So why not do it all?

Oh well. Its still way better than Hillary, who pledged to be America's Merkel, expanding Obama's refugee policy to bring on over a million muslims in 4 years.

We dodged a bullet there.


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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 7:50 am 
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I would have greatly preferred if Trump had eliminated immigration from all or nearly all Muslim countires. Most of the hijackers on 9-11 were Saudi, the two recent truck driver murderers were from tunisia.

The left was going to go histerical no matter what he did. So why not do it all?

Oh well. Its still way better than Hillary, who pledged to be America's Merkel, expanding Obama's refugee policy to bring on over a million muslims in 4 years.

We dodged a bullet there.

You know why he didn't do it all? He's playing with media by using Obama's list. If lefties squawk, he exposes them as hypocrites for not bitching about Obama's choices. It's a bit of a divisive tactic but the point wasn't lost.

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 7:54 am 
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Bricktop wrote:
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I have already...TWICE...detailed the rationale behind it; these countries lack a stable and effective government and cannot be relied upon to issue travel documents according to reasonable legal process.

That is indead the ultimate no brainer. In fact at the moment, Syria would be unable to respond .. and if they could it of course would not be truth .. same basically applies to the others ... poor records is a certainty ... even deliberate deception is always possible from these lands to non believer lands

Any way one slices it, "Responsible" Vetting is NOT possible from any islamic land ... they are all un-vettable = even thoughts of entry is the ultimate duh!!

That's the part that doesn't make sense...why allow entry to some from Islamic lands and not others?


Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan and the UAE all have functioning and effective governments and bureaucracies.

1. Since when?
2. Again, doesn't the US issue it's own travel VISAs to the US?

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 1:10 pm 
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1,000 Yemeni bodega owners close their doors to protest the Muslim ban

“It’s our right to stand up and challenge the president.”

BROOKLYN, NEW YORK — Abdoulkarim Yafai has played by all the rules. He’s an immigrant from Yemen who’s been living and working in the United States for 22 years, has become a citizen, and pays his taxes. But his wife and children are living in Djibouti, so five years ago he started the paperwork to bring them here to live with him. They were scheduled for an interview with immigration officials for this coming Sunday.

That process was abruptly suspended after President Trump issued an executive order on Friday that bans people from seven Muslim-majority countries, including Yemen, from entering the United States for at least the next three months.

Now Yafai is not sure when his family will be able to come join him. They’ve been told the process is paused for at least 90 days. “I don’t know what we’re going to do,” he said.

But one thing he knows he will do for sure: close up the bodega he owns, Cobble Hill Mini Mart, at noon on Thursday.

Yafai will not be alone. Across the city, 1,000 Yemeni-owned bodegas and businesses have already shut down or will shut down from noon to eight to protest the administration and its Muslim ban. “This shutdown of grocery stores and bodegas will be a public show of the vital role these grocers and their families play in New York’s economic and social fabric,” according to a statement announcing the shutdown. Then they’ll gather at Borough Hall for a call to prayer and a rally.

https://thinkprogress.org/yemeni-bodega-strike-muslim-ban-af2cebf3514a#.q70x86ba8

There are 1,000 Yemeni bodegas in New York City alone? So where are all the problems with Yemeni Americans over the years? Why is Trump punishing a group of people that have been fine American citizens?

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 1:20 pm 

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If we're going to play sob story time, it should be noted,

Obama's and the dems sanctuary city police has killed dozens of people.

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp


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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 2:24 pm 
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There are 1,000 Yemeni bodegas in New York City alone? So where are all the problems with Yemeni Americans over the years? Why is Trump punishing a group of people that have been fine American citizens?


Can you NOT read?

He is shutting off American access from those countries because THEIR chaotic and ineffective government cannot manage and control their own passport mechanisms, to the extent that obtaining a passport is a matter of bribery and favour.

Fux sake.

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Unread postPosted: February 2nd, 2017, 2:28 pm 
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There are 1,000 Yemeni bodegas in New York City alone? So where are all the problems with Yemeni Americans over the years? Why is Trump punishing a group of people that have been fine American citizens?


Can you NOT read?

He is shutting off American access from those countries because THEIR chaotic and ineffective government cannot manage and control their own passport mechanisms, to the extent that obtaining a passport is a matter of bribery and favour.

Fux sake.

A passport isn't enough to get these folks into the US though. They require VISAs issued by the US, ergo it is on the US to manage travel mechanisms, no?

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AAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 4:18 pm 
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Ontario To Provide Life-Saving Surgeries For Kids Banned by Trump

Ontario is making arrangements to provide care for children from countries affected by the U.S. President Donald Trump's travel ban who can no longer receive life-saving surgeries in America.

Health Minister Eric Hoskins said it has come to the government's attention that some of these children are being turned away solely because of where they were born.

"We're fortunate here in Ontario to have such high-quality pediatric specialists and hospitals so we have the technical ability to help and it seemed natural almost," he said. "This is what Canada believes in, helping where we can, helping vulnerable children from around the world."

Surgeons in the U.S. approached colleagues at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto and told them they had to cancel surgeries for children coming from those countries, Hoskins said.

Ontario already has programs in place to provide health care on a humanitarian basis, Hoskins said.

"We do it from time to time in different ways, so we're confident we have the ability to provide Sick Kids with whatever support they would need," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/03/sick-kids-ontario-us-travel-ban_n_14603542.html

Oh great, now the children needing life-saving surgeries will be terrorizing this country.

It's not a ban! It's just telling sick kids to fuck off!

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 4:20 pm 
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Ontario To Provide Life-Saving Surgeries For Kids Banned by Trump

Ontario is making arrangements to provide care for children from countries affected by the U.S. President Donald Trump's travel ban who can no longer receive life-saving surgeries in America.

Health Minister Eric Hoskins said it has come to the government's attention that some of these children are being turned away solely because of where they were born.

"We're fortunate here in Ontario to have such high-quality pediatric specialists and hospitals so we have the technical ability to help and it seemed natural almost," he said. "This is what Canada believes in, helping where we can, helping vulnerable children from around the world."

Surgeons in the U.S. approached colleagues at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto and told them they had to cancel surgeries for children coming from those countries, Hoskins said.

Ontario already has programs in place to provide health care on a humanitarian basis, Hoskins said.

"We do it from time to time in different ways, so we're confident we have the ability to provide Sick Kids with whatever support they would need," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/03/sick-kids-ontario-us-travel-ban_n_14603542.html

Oh great, now the children needing life-saving surgeries will be terrorizing this country.

It's not a ban! It's just telling sick kids to fuck off!

That's a very unfortunate consequence of this restriction. I'm glad Canada can pick up the slack.

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 4:35 pm 
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Hang on!

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Federal judge halts Trump travel ban nationwide

A federal judge in Seattle issued a temporary nationwide restraining order Friday stopping President Donald Trump's executive order banning citizens of several Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States.

Judge James Robart, who was appointed by former President George Bush, ruled the executive order would be stopped nationwide, effective immediately.

The ruling, made at the request of Washington and Minnesota, is the broadest to date against Trump's executive order.

The order, issued last Friday, immediately stirred controversy when travelers who were en route to the U.S. when it was signed were detained at airports. Protesters demonstrated at airports across the county last weekend.

Trump has argued that the move is necessary to preserve national security.

Critics say the order amounts to a de facto ban on Muslims entering the country.

"It's our president's duty to honor this ruling and I'll make sure he does," Washington attorney general Bob Ferguson said in a live statement following the ruling. "No one is above the law, not even the president."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317884-washington-state-judge-halts-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 5:24 pm 
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Ontario To Provide Life-Saving Surgeries For Kids Banned by Trump

Ontario is making arrangements to provide care for children from countries affected by the U.S. President Donald Trump's travel ban who can no longer receive life-saving surgeries in America.

Health Minister Eric Hoskins said it has come to the government's attention that some of these children are being turned away solely because of where they were born.

"We're fortunate here in Ontario to have such high-quality pediatric specialists and hospitals so we have the technical ability to help and it seemed natural almost," he said. "This is what Canada believes in, helping where we can, helping vulnerable children from around the world."

Surgeons in the U.S. approached colleagues at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto and told them they had to cancel surgeries for children coming from those countries, Hoskins said.

Ontario already has programs in place to provide health care on a humanitarian basis, Hoskins said.

"We do it from time to time in different ways, so we're confident we have the ability to provide Sick Kids with whatever support they would need," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/02/03/sick-kids-ontario-us-travel-ban_n_14603542.html

Oh great, now the children needing life-saving surgeries will be terrorizing this country.

It's not a ban! It's just telling sick kids to fuck off!


Its telling those who subscribe to a doctrine that insists we are to be converted to their ways, or beheaded, and that facilitates paedophilia, homophobia and domestic abuse and violence that we are sick of their shit.

If we are so evil in their eyes, why the fuck are they climbing over OUR walls, demanding OUR help, when there is a plethora of islamic nations who can, but won't help.

No.

Its time to tell this socio-politic cult that their ways are not our ways, and unless and until you demonstrate tolerance, deny violence, and show respect for western ways, you can all fuck off.

And not just a few apologists waving placards, but their leaders, their imams, their mosques...all as one voice, decrying the evil elements of a fraudulent doctrine.

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 9:01 pm 
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Its time to tell this socio-politic cult that their ways are not our ways, and unless and until you demonstrate tolerance, deny violence, and show respect for western ways, you can all fuck off.

There are Muslims amoung us who do that every single day. Why should they be exposed to a constant barrage of shot from people like you?

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Unread postPosted: February 3rd, 2017, 9:32 pm 
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Hang on!

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Federal judge halts Trump travel ban nationwide

A federal judge in Seattle issued a temporary nationwide restraining order Friday stopping President Donald Trump's executive order banning citizens of several Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States.

Judge James Robart, who was appointed by former President George Bush, ruled the executive order would be stopped nationwide, effective immediately.

The ruling, made at the request of Washington and Minnesota, is the broadest to date against Trump's executive order.

The order, issued last Friday, immediately stirred controversy when travelers who were en route to the U.S. when it was signed were detained at airports. Protesters demonstrated at airports across the county last weekend.

Trump has argued that the move is necessary to preserve national security.

Critics say the order amounts to a de facto ban on Muslims entering the country.

"It's our president's duty to honor this ruling and I'll make sure he does," Washington attorney general Bob Ferguson said in a live statement following the ruling. "No one is above the law, not even the president."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317884-washington-state-judge-halts-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide

Nice!

Trump is going to have a bird.

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