Trudeau to Canadians concerned about him seizing their bank info: you are un-Canadian

[Anonymous]

And according to the latest polls, this inept dictator will win an even bigger majority next year.



By Brian Lilley of Sun News Media



Justin Trudeau has a message for you if you don't like the idea of Statistics Canada seizing all of your banking information.



You aren't very Canadian and you don't like data.



That was effectively the prime minister's reaction when pressed on the shocking plan from Statscan by opposition Conservatives in the House of Commons.



"What we are seeing is the Conservative Party of Canada learn nothing from Canadians in the 2015 election," Trudeau said. "When we restored the long-form census as the very first thing we did, Canadians from coast to coast to coast cheered!"



It's an odd defence but one Trudeau has used two days in a row, invoking the long-form census and accuse those that don't like the government seizing all of your banking records as being against science and data.



Will it work?



I don't think so.



There is a world of difference between filling out a census form, even under the threat of a jail term, and having the government seize all your banking records without your knowledge or consent.



Just before Question Period another shocking story broke. This one again from Global, showing Statscan has already seized reams of other private financial information.



Between October 2017 and January 2018, Statscan demanded that credit agency Transunion hand over the records of hundreds of thousands of Canadians. It was not aggregate data with names and identifying factors removed.



It was highly personal. Included in the request were the names, addresses, dates of birth and social insurance numbers of hundreds of thousands of Canadians.



It also included how much you borrowed, how much you owed, whether you were past due on any bills and a host of other information.



This is what Statscan wants to do with the banks now.



They want to collect all of your financial transaction information and all of your personal information.



The government is trying to assure Canadians their privacy will be protected.



"Our government is ensuring that the personal data of Canadians are protected. Statistics Canada will use anonymized data for statistical purposes only, no personal information will be made public," Trudeau said.



So no personal information will be made public but it will be collected right alongside every one of your transactions.



Could it be leaked?



Left on a subway or a car that gets stolen?



That has happened before. The Conservatives brought forward 800 pages of records on data breaches by the federal government in the past two years alone.



The Liberals are undeterred. Their claim is that they need all of your banking records, your full credit report and all of your personal information or they can't make good public policy decisions.



Canada's banks are not too happy with this move.



Scotiabank told me that it hasn't shared any data with Statscan.



"The trust of our customers is our No. 1 priority — and we work hard every day to ensure their privacy is respected and their data is protected," the statement read.



The folks at CIBC also sent a statement saying no data has been shared.



"We take our clients' privacy seriously and are working with the industry to understand the request," CIBC said.



The industry, working through the Canadian Bankers Association, has been caught off guard by this push from Statscan. The bureaucrats at Statscan want to start their project in January and it doesn't look like the industry is ready to let that happen.

[Anonymous]

Private bank info grab will make government more expensive



An inexhaustible belief in the power of government to do good.



If you're not bugged by the idea of Statistics Canada having covert access to your most intimate banking and income information, you definitely should be.



But if you're not, it's almost certainly because, as above, you have convinced yourself governments' motives are always pure, so Canada needs more government.



Global News deserves props for revealing Sunday that [size=150]Statistics Canada has demanded — yes, demanded — "individual-level financial transactions data" on 500,000 Canadians from the country's banks.[/size]



Moreover, StatsCan tried to get the banks to comply without informing any of the half-million Canadians effected. It wanted your data not only without your consent, but knowledge, too.



How much are you spending? On what? How are you paying for it (cash, loan, credit card)? Where are you buying it? How much are you travelling? What is the full extent of your income? From what sources?



StatsCan insisted banks give it details of bill payments, cash withdrawals from ATMs, credit card transactions, electronic transfers and account balances. How much do you normally keep in your savings account? In chequing? How much do you owe on your credit cards? On you house and cars?



It even demanded the banks include your social insurance number when they transferred the data.



The level of intrusion is staggering in its scope. Without a warrant acquired on suspicion of crime, no government has any business asking for this info, much less demanding it in secret.



Yet, the federal Privacy Act and federal Statistics Act give StatsCan the authority. In other words, Parliament has given StatsCan the authority.



To be honest, I'm not worried about StatsCan safeguarding my private info. StatsCan is good at protecting sensitive, personal data. Hackers are unlikely to break into StatsCan computers and steal the identities of the one in 20 Canadians who, against their wills, will be part of this database.



And I trust StatsCan researchers not to misuse the data, too. I don't expect researchers, for instance, to be sitting around sniggering at the depth of my debt or my men's large-sized purchases from Corsets-R-Us.



It's not the Big Brother aspect of this that's troubling; it's the Big Mother angle.



In defending this massive invasion of privacy, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told the House of Commons, "high quality and timely data are critical to ensuring that government programs remain relevant and effective for Canadians."



"Remain" relevant and effective? Trudeau clearly believes government is relevant and effective now.



But just as no amount of extra money is going to improve government programs, no amount of detailed private information is going to help, either.



You might — might — be able to make the case that StatsCan should have blind access to this data (no individual identities revealed to researchers), if it truly would help cure disease, solve crimes, end poverty, alleviate homelessness and hunger.



But that's just not going to happen.



Even after researchers have snooped through all this highly personal financial information, bureaucrats and politicians are still going to make the same boneheaded, wasteful, useless, clumsy policy choices they make now.



The great threat of turning over this information to government employees is not that they are going to steal it or laugh at it or sell it to the highest bidder. [size=150]The great threat is that they will find that, say, a third of Canadians are underreporting their incomes. Then, greedy politicians will decide our taxes could be even higher.

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Or they'll conclude social problems are even worse than feared, so even more billions in government spending is required.



With this data, government won't become relevant and effective, just bigger and more expensive.

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This is scary Mr Trudeau. And I do not give a shit, if you think that makes me un-Canadian.

[Bricktop]

And according to the latest polls, this inept dictator will win an even bigger majority next year.

 

[Anonymous]

And according to the latest polls, this inept dictator will win an even bigger majority next year.

 

Do you see why I can't wait to get out of this country.

[Anonymous]

Private bank info grab will make government more expensive



An inexhaustible belief in the power of government to do good.



If you're not bugged by the idea of Statistics Canada having covert access to your most intimate banking and income information, you definitely should be.



But if you're not, it's almost certainly because, as above, you have convinced yourself governments' motives are always pure, so Canada needs more government.



Global News deserves props for revealing Sunday that
It's about gouging us even further.

[Anonymous]

Private bank info grab will make government more expensive



An inexhaustible belief in the power of government to do good.



If you're not bugged by the idea of Statistics Canada having covert access to your most intimate banking and income information, you definitely should be.



But if you're not, it's almost certainly because, as above, you have convinced yourself governments' motives are always pure, so Canada needs more government.



Global News deserves props for revealing Sunday that
It's about gouging us even further.

I was watching on the news that the federal government does not think they need to answer any questions about what they are doing.

[Anonymous]

Info mining hints at larger trove

Ottawa — before Statistics Canada set out to scoop up private banking information from 500,000 Canadians, it had already collected reams of corporate and individual tax forms and health records, part of its growing reliance on "administrative data" sources instead of traditional surveys.



Now the uproar over the banking data threatens analytical programs that help policy-makers make decisions about things like taxes, interest rates and seniors' benefits, former officials warn.



Information from every province on cancer patients, for example, feeds a database on incidence and survival rates.



The tax filings of every person and business develops census income data.



And the agency is on the verge of replacing the shortform census every Canadian is required to fill out every five years by merging data from existing government holdings — a massive project years in the making.



By law, the agency can ask for any information it wants from any source.



During a briefing with reporters last month, senior officials said they planned to test the limits of the Statistics act to tap new sources of information as survey response rates decline.



Three senior officials — one overseeing information technology, a second in charge of labour, education and income statistics, and a third in charge of income statistics — defended the agency anew Thursday during an online chat about the latest financial projects, outlined in privacy assessments posted to the Statistics Canada website, trying to articulate why the data was needed.



The agency did not respond to interview requests from The Canadian Press.

[Thiel]

And according to the latest polls, this inept dictator will win an even bigger majority next year.



By Brian Lilley of Sun News Media



Justin Trudeau has a message for you if you don't like the idea of Statistics Canada seizing all of your banking information.



You aren't very Canadian and you don't like data.



That was effectively the prime minister's reaction when pressed on the shocking plan from Statscan by opposition Conservatives in the House of Commons.



"What we are seeing is the Conservative Party of Canada learn nothing from Canadians in the 2015 election," Trudeau said. "When we restored the long-form census as the very first thing we did, Canadians from coast to coast to coast cheered!"



It's an odd defence but one Trudeau has used two days in a row, invoking the long-form census and accuse those that don't like the government seizing all of your banking records as being against science and data.



Will it work?



I don't think so.



There is a world of difference between filling out a census form, even under the threat of a jail term, and having the government seize all your banking records without your knowledge or consent.



Just before Question Period another shocking story broke. This one again from Global, showing Statscan has already seized reams of other private financial information.



Between October 2017 and January 2018, Statscan demanded that credit agency Transunion hand over the records of hundreds of thousands of Canadians. It was not aggregate data with names and identifying factors removed.



It was highly personal. Included in the request were the names, addresses, dates of birth and social insurance numbers of hundreds of thousands of Canadians.



It also included how much you borrowed, how much you owed, whether you were past due on any bills and a host of other information.



This is what Statscan wants to do with the banks now.



They want to collect all of your financial transaction information and all of your personal information.



The government is trying to assure Canadians their privacy will be protected.



"Our government is ensuring that the personal data of Canadians are protected. Statistics Canada will use anonymized data for statistical purposes only, no personal information will be made public," Trudeau said.



So no personal information will be made public but it will be collected right alongside every one of your transactions.



Could it be leaked?



Left on a subway or a car that gets stolen?



That has happened before. The Conservatives brought forward 800 pages of records on data breaches by the federal government in the past two years alone.



The Liberals are undeterred. Their claim is that they need all of your banking records, your full credit report and all of your personal information or they can't make good public policy decisions.



Canada's banks are not too happy with this move.



Scotiabank told me that it hasn't shared any data with Statscan.



"The trust of our customers is our No. 1 priority — and we work hard every day to ensure their privacy is respected and their data is protected," the statement read.



The folks at CIBC also sent a statement saying no data has been shared.



"We take our clients' privacy seriously and are working with the industry to understand the request," CIBC said.



The industry, working through the Canadian Bankers Association, has been caught off guard by this push from Statscan. The bureaucrats at Statscan want to start their project in January and it doesn't look like the industry is ready to let that happen.

I don't like this at all. And I am appalled by the Trudeau berating the opposition for doing their job and holding  the government accountable. But, many European countries collect at least as much information about their citizens.

[Wazzzup]

Private bank info grab will make government more expensive



An inexhaustible belief in the power of government to do good.



If you're not bugged by the idea of Statistics Canada having covert access to your most intimate banking and income information, you definitely should be.



But if you're not, it's almost certainly because, as above, you have convinced yourself governments' motives are always pure, so Canada needs more government.



Global News deserves props for revealing Sunday that
It's about gouging us even further.

I was watching on the news that the federal government does not think they need to answer any questions about what they are doing.

that to me is the worst part of it, the idea that voters have no right to even question what the government wants to do, and then are attacked ad hominem for it.   That is not the way democracy is supposed to behave.

[Thiel]

Private bank info grab will make government more expensive



An inexhaustible belief in the power of government to do good.



If you're not bugged by the idea of Statistics Canada having covert access to your most intimate banking and income information, you definitely should be.



But if you're not, it's almost certainly because, as above, you have convinced yourself governments' motives are always pure, so Canada needs more government.



Global News deserves props for revealing Sunday that
It's about gouging us even further.

I was watching on the news that the federal government does not think they need to answer any questions about what they are doing.

that to me is the worst part of it, the idea that voters have no right to even question what the government wants to do, and then are attacked ad hominem for it.   That is not the way democracy is supposed to behave.

The Trudeau regime feels they have ascended to a higher plane of existence.

[cc]

Definitely



I do believe that Justine is just a full bore prog with the power that all ambitious progs either ... wish they had  .. or wish the progs they follow had

[Anonymous]

Definitely



I do believe that Justine is just a full bore prog with the power that all ambitious progs either ... wish they had  .. or wish the progs they follow had

He feels that mandate he got in 2015 includes the powers of an emperor.

[cc]

Clearly he does. His dad was the very same



But my point was that  other than the royal family thing of he and his dad, he is what every prog wishes to be of wishes to be or to follow .. FULL and total power

[Anonymous]

Definitely



I do believe that Justine is just a full bore prog with the power that all ambitious progs either ... wish they had  .. or wish the progs they follow had

Justine is an inspiration to other potential prog dictators.

[Anonymous]

Clearly he does. His dad was the very same



But my point was that  other than the royal family thing of he and his dad, he is what every prog wishes to be of wishes to be or to follow .. FULL and total power

I do not understand progressive motivations. But, according to what I read here, it's not socialism per se.