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Wazzzup

Gillette's New "Toxic Masculinity" ad-



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is "toxic masculinity" a real problem, or is this just toxic political correctness? (or perhaps toxic corporate political activism?)



What's ya views?



Some of the apparent references in the commercial--



1. Bullying

2. Sexual harassment

3."Mansplaining"

4. Fighting

5. Catcalling (?)

Gaon

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Gillette's New "Toxic Masculinity" ad-



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is "toxic masculinity" a real problem, or is this just toxic political correctness? (or perhaps toxic corporate political activism?)



What's ya views?



Some of the apparent references in the commercial--



1. Bullying

2. Sexual harassment

3."Mansplaining"

4. Fighting

5. Catcalling (?)
It's toxic pc garbage.
The Russian Rock It

Wazzzup

Apparently the APA (American Psychiatric Association) also thinks "toxic masculinity" is a problem.



https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-ma ... ZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/
QuoteThe document, titled "APA Guidelines for the Psychological Practice with Boys and Men" was featured in the January issue of its magazine, Monitor on Psychology. Its aim is to help providers with male patients "despite social forces that can harm mental health."



Traditional masculinity, as the APA defines it, refers to masculinity cognitions "that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence." These behaviors are often influenced by social, cultural and contextual norms, whether that's socialization by friends, imitating parent behavior or adopting media portrayals.


Hmm toxic masculinity? or perhaps toxic politicization of another institution that should be politically neutral?

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Gaon"
It's toxic pc garbage.
Ditto that. while I feel there is a grain of truth in it, it mostly ends there.  Certain behaviors are bad, we should just teach that the behavior is bad.



just because most of these behaviors are more common among men, does not mean they belong to men only.  



This is often done in a racial context too.  The PC movement almost always portrays racism and discrimination as the sole property of whites.  Toxic whiteness is sure to be next on the agenda, if it isn't already.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Apparently the APA (American Psychiatric Association) also thinks "toxic masculinity" is a problem.



https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-ma ... ZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/
QuoteThe document, titled "APA Guidelines for the Psychological Practice with Boys and Men" was featured in the January issue of its magazine, Monitor on Psychology. Its aim is to help providers with male patients "despite social forces that can harm mental health."



Traditional masculinity, as the APA defines it, refers to masculinity cognitions "that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence." These behaviors are often influenced by social, cultural and contextual norms, whether that's socialization by friends, imitating parent behavior or adopting media portrayals.


Hmm toxic masculinity? or perhaps toxic politicization of another institution that should be politically neutral?

Everything is politicized in the USA and Canada.

 ac_boring

Odinson

So the black men are stopping the white men from harassing women..



 :laugh3:





And of course the whole ad is centered on the sexual harassment done by the white men.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Apparently the APA (American Psychiatric Association) also thinks "toxic masculinity" is a problem.



https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-ma ... ZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/
QuoteThe document, titled "APA Guidelines for the Psychological Practice with Boys and Men" was featured in the January issue of its magazine, Monitor on Psychology. Its aim is to help providers with male patients "despite social forces that can harm mental health."



Traditional masculinity, as the APA defines it, refers to masculinity cognitions "that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence." These behaviors are often influenced by social, cultural and contextual norms, whether that's socialization by friends, imitating parent behavior or adopting media portrayals.


Hmm toxic masculinity? or perhaps toxic politicization of another institution that should be politically neutral?

Everything is politicized in the USA and Canada.

 ac_boring
Certainly is.  



like I said here a while back-- it is my belief that a society that politicizes everything is a totalitarian society, or at least one headed in that direction.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Apparently the APA (American Psychiatric Association) also thinks "toxic masculinity" is a problem.



https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-ma ... ZkJGW0vOP/">https://www.ajc.com/news/traditional-masculinity-officially-deemed-harmful-american-psychological-association/1Ms4Eq06f1nAYZkJGW0vOP/
QuoteThe document, titled "APA Guidelines for the Psychological Practice with Boys and Men" was featured in the January issue of its magazine, Monitor on Psychology. Its aim is to help providers with male patients "despite social forces that can harm mental health."



Traditional masculinity, as the APA defines it, refers to masculinity cognitions "that have held sway over large segments of the population, including: anti-femininity, achievement, eschewal of the appearance of weakness, and adventure, risk, and violence." These behaviors are often influenced by social, cultural and contextual norms, whether that's socialization by friends, imitating parent behavior or adopting media portrayals.


Hmm toxic masculinity? or perhaps toxic politicization of another institution that should be politically neutral?

Everything is politicized in the USA and Canada.

 ac_boring
Certainly is.  



like I said here a while back-- it is my belief that a society that politicizes everything is a totalitarian society, or at least one headed in that direction.

They are looking for injustice everywhere except where it actually exists.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Odinson"So the black men are stopping the white men from harassing women..



 :laugh3:





And of course the whole ad is centered on the sexual harassment done by the white men.


I noticed that too.  Clearly two of the saviors stopping the toxic (white) misogynists were black.  I don't think that was an accident.  You can bet the people who put this ad together have politically correct racial views as well as gender.



You can also be sure Gillette will never do a commercial decrying the abundance of misogyny in black rap music or Islamic treatment of women and gays.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Odinson"So the black men are stopping the white men from harassing women..



 :laugh3:





And of course the whole ad is centered on the sexual harassment done by the white men.


I noticed that too.  Clearly two of the saviors stopping the toxic (white) misogynists were black.  I don't think that was an accident.  Wherever there is PC genderism PC race stuff is never far behind, and vice versa.



Of course that is how it works, you can be sure Gillette will never do a commercial decrying the toxic masculinity in black rap music or Islamic treatment of women and gays.

I didn't notice that..



I'll watch it again when I have more time.

Odinson

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Odinson"So the black men are stopping the white men from harassing women..



 :laugh3:





And of course the whole ad is centered on the sexual harassment done by the white men.


I noticed that too.  Clearly two of the saviors stopping the toxic (white) misogynists were black.  I don't think that was an accident.  Wherever there is PC genderism PC race stuff is never far behind, and vice versa.



Of course that is how it works, you can be sure Gillette will never do a commercial decrying the toxic masculinity in black rap music or Islamic treatment of women and gays.


In the upside down world, the white man is the real female-hater..

Odinson

Of course telling women to smile at you is disrespectful..





I use the Hello beautiful ladies! approach.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Gillette's New "Toxic Masculinity" ad-



">




is "toxic masculinity" a real problem, or is this just toxic political correctness? (or perhaps toxic corporate political activism?)



What's ya views?



Some of the apparent references in the commercial--



1. Bullying

2. Sexual harassment

3."Mansplaining"

4. Fighting

5. Catcalling (?)
I forgot what mansplaining was. It's one of those terms made up by prog academics to shame white males. Kind of like white fragility.

Bricktop

Now, let's talk about toxic feminity...



Having babies out of wedlock for higher welfare payments

Feigning victimhood, and making fallacious claims about men's behaviour

Fighting

Manipulating government services and systems to favour females over males

Demanding equality, as long as it doesn't involve manual labour

Having confusing criteria about how to be happy



Maybe Tampax can run an ad...

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"Now, let's talk about toxic feminity...



Having babies out of wedlock for higher welfare payments

Feigning victimhood, and making fallacious claims about men's behaviour

Fighting

Manipulating government services and systems to favour females over males

Demanding equality, as long as it doesn't involve manual labour

Having confusing criteria about how to be happy



Maybe Tampax can run an ad...

I consider myself feminine, not a feminist and none of that is my values..



You must've meant toxic feminist ideology.