Brexit vote: MP's Reject Withdrawal Deal

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Don't know on that one. There are a lot of factors at work now that time has gone on and determination has weakened



The EU desperately needs them and would have worked out a good deal if UK had acted fast and strong



EU strategy is now to wait them out, knowing that the UK is not determined enough and that time now works for the EU



Edit: Brick nailed it

[Gaon]

Don't know on that one. There are a lot of factors at work now that time has gone on and determination has weakened



The EU desperately needs them and would have worked out a good deal if UK had acted fast and strong



EU strategy is now to wait them out, knowing that the UK is not determined enough and that time now works for the EU

I too believe the EU's strategy has always been delay, delay.

[Wazzzup]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc

LONDON — Parliament on Wednesday voted, twice, that Britain should not leave the European Union without a proper withdrawal agreement, signaling that lawmakers will also ask European leaders for permission to delay ­Brexit.



May said her government could ask the E.U. for a short extension to implement a deal if it passed by next week. If no deal is passed, May said she would be forced to seek a much longer delay.

BTW the Brexit referendum passed nearly 3 years ago (two years and 9 months)  and has still not been implemented.



The UK is a democracy ac_toofunny  yeah right   :001_rolleyes:

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc

LONDON — Parliament on Wednesday voted, twice, that Britain should not leave the European Union without a proper withdrawal agreement, signaling that lawmakers will also ask European leaders for permission to delay ­Brexit.



May said her government could ask the E.U. for a short extension to implement a deal if it passed by next week. If no deal is passed, May said she would be forced to seek a much longer delay.

BTW the Brexit referendum passed nearly 3 years ago (two years and 9 months)  and has still not been implemented.



The UK is a democracy ac_toofunny  yeah right   :001_rolleyes:

I never expected Brexit to actually happen. The prog establishment does not give two shits about a referendum.

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... faeff564dc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-deal-brexit-vote/2019/03/13/b79d2c86-4405-11e9-94ab-d2dda3c0df52_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.26faeff564dc

LONDON — Parliament on Wednesday voted, twice, that Britain should not leave the European Union without a proper withdrawal agreement, signaling that lawmakers will also ask European leaders for permission to delay ­Brexit.



May said her government could ask the E.U. for a short extension to implement a deal if it passed by next week. If no deal is passed, May said she would be forced to seek a much longer delay.

BTW the Brexit referendum passed nearly 3 years ago (two years and 9 months)  and has still not been implemented.



The UK is a democracy ac_toofunny  yeah right   :001_rolleyes:

I saw on the news Britain can only delay it until June..



I believe any extension has to be ratified by all twenty seven EU members.

[Anonymous]

They did vote against holding a second referendum.

[Anonymous]

Westminster seems to be playing the same games with Brexit as Canada does with resource development, death by delay.

[Anonymous]

The ball is in the tiny DUP's court.

DUP says it won't back May's Brexit deal, while Conservative rebels 'change their minds'



The DUP leader Arlene Foster said that her party "regrets" that it is unable to support PM Theresa May's current Brexit deal. It comes as May appears to have swayed some Tory rebels with her promise to quit post-Brexit.



The Democratic Unionist Party won't back the deal as long as it "poses a threat to the integrity of the UK," Foster told Sky News, repeating her party's earlier sentiment.



he DUP's support for May had been contingent on the PM offering a deal minus the so-called 'Irish backstop,' a measure that would see Northern Ireland remain in a customs union with the EU, avoiding the re-emergence of a hard border on the island of Ireland, but making the Irish Sea a de-facto customs barrier between Northern Ireland and the rest of the EU.



Foster's statement comes as MPs are voting on eight alternative Brexit proposals, including a Labour Party plan for a "softer Brexit" that would supposedly honor the results of the 2016 referendum while leaving room to negotiate with the EU.



In an effort to win support for her own Brexit agreement, May offered on Wednesday to resign in exchange for support for the deal from her Conservative Party colleagues. While a group of hardline Brexiteer MPs from Jacob Rees-Mogg's European Research Group caucus had previously held steady on their refusal to back May's plan, the BBC reported that 25 Tories "now changed their minds," possibly enticed by May's vow to step down.



Without the support of the DUP, however, an ERG spokesman earlier said that there is "no way" his group can provide enough votes to pass May's deal.

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[Bricktop]

Whither the wind blows, May's days are numbered.



It's what happens when you try to run with the foxes while hunting with the hounds.



Just as the US will be permanently scarred by the Trump era (which is not to blame Trump specifically), Brexit will be a stain on British democratic processes for many years.



In both cases, it is the elected representatives in the respective Houses that have embarked on programs of obstruction, deflection, confusion and self interest, terminally wounding the principle of representation through elected members.



Trump and Brexit have exposed the deep flaws in a corrupt and dysfunctional system of government that is combative and adversarial at its heart.



The problem is we have no replacement strategy.

[Anonymous]

Brexit won't happen. The House of Commons will weasel out of the results or override the last referendum with another referendum.

[Bricktop]

And thus destroy any remaining semblance of democracy in the UK.



Referendums will become pointless, and ALL power will be in the hands of the political class.

[Anonymous]

Brexit won't happen. The House of Commons will weasel out of the results or override the last referendum with another referendum.

Britain's 'democracy", like our own and that of the US is a frickin joke.

[Gaon]

The anti Brexiteers have bought a little more time. Delay after delay after delay.

[Anonymous]

BREXIT BARTER

May says she'll step down once U.K. leaves EU



LONDON — British Prime Minister Theresa May told Conservative lawmakers Wednesday she will step down once the U.K.'S exit from the European Union is delivered — a dramatic concession meant to bring enough of her colleagues on board to push her deal over the line.



May told a party meeting of legislators she was aware of a desire for a new approach — and new leadership — in the second phase of the Brexit negotiations.



"I am prepared to leave this job earlier than I intended in order to do what is right for our country and our party," she said, according to a transcript released by her office. "I ask everyone in this room to back the deal so we can complete our historic duty — to deliver on the decision of the British people and leave the European Union with a smooth and orderly exit."



May has been under mounting pressure from pro-brexit members of her Conservative Party to quit.



Several have said they would support the withdrawal deal if another leader was chosen to lead the next stage of negotiations, which will determine Britain's future relations with the EU.



In a packed meeting described by participants as "sombre," May finally conceded she would have to go, although she did not set a departure date.



Anti-eu lawmaker Jacob Rees-mogg, who has clashed with May throughout the Brexit process, said she had been "very clear" if Britain leaves the EU on May 22, she will quit soon after.



He said the prime minister had been "very dignified."



"She out her case well, and reiterated she had done her duty," he said.



May's announcement came as British lawmakers debated multiple options for leaving the EU as they sought to bring some clarity to the tortured Brexit process and stop the country tumbling out of the bloc within weeks with no exit plan in place.



After two overwhelming defeats for May's withdrawal agreement with the EU, the House of Commons seized control of the parliamentary timetable for debate and votes on a range of Brexit alternatives.



House of Commons Speaker John Bercow selected eight widely differing options for votes from a list of 16 submitted by lawmakers.



They include calls to leave the EU without a deal, to stay in the EU'S customs union and single market, to put any EU divorce deal to a public referendum, and to cancel Brexit if the prospect of a no-deal departure gets close.

[Bricktop]

Like the US, Britain has demonstrated that the idea of "representative" democracy is a farce.



Political parties have long manipulated the system to build a political class, which operates separately from the communities it is supposed to represent.



These idiots have openly stated they have been elected on the basis that they will exercise their own judgment when decisions are made. They have utterly failed to convey the views of their electorate into parliamentary (and congressional) debate.



We need a new dynamic and model in the relationship between politicians and the electorate. This one isn't working.