Climate Realism

[Anonymous]

[size=150]Wazzzups--Things everyone should know about so-called climate change[/size]



Is there global warming?



The idea that greenhouse gases trap sunlight and increase heat is a scientific fact in a greenhouse.  BUT the earth is much more complex than a greenhouse.



The earth has been warmer and cooler than now MANY times before



The earth has been much warmer and much colder many times before man ever fired up a combustion engine so.  Climate change is normal and expected.  Climate NEVER stays the same, it ALWAYS goes up or down (warmer or colder)



Are humans causing global warming?



The earth has warmed .7 to .9 degrees in the last hundred years.  Had man not existed would it have warmed?  No one knows.  If humans are causing it how much are they causing it?  95%? 5%? Somewhere in between?  No one knows.  (and if they say they know they are lying)



Can Global warming scientists be trusted?



No.  Most of them get government grant money to say the earth is warming.  They are also mostly crusaders on a mission.  From what I have seen every one of their climate models does not predict temperature changes accurately (they all over predict) and there is more than ample evidence that they frequently lie about the data in order to get the results they want.



So IF (and that's a big IF) human made global warming is happening what can be done?



Carbon Taxes are a sham--Most governments that impose carbon taxes aren't even applying them to the environment.  They are just spending them like other taxes.



Electric cars are a sham--research shows that in order to break even a battery powered car must be driven at least 80,000 to 90,000 miles just to be the equivalent of a gas powered car. This is because fossil fuels need to be burned to make the batteries, and fossil fuels must be burned to charge the batteries.



Alternative energies-- nuclear energy is a good non carbon source of energy, but if something goes wrong it goes really wrong, also nuclear waste is very toxic and dangerous.  Other things like wind don't work well and are intermittent.  Solar cells are enormously expensive.



So what would actually make a difference?  (things that would actually work)



Cut back--If you really want to save the earth- get rid of your car, don't travel by air, stop using electricity, and stop heating and air conditioning your home.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.



Develop new technologies--Trying to develop new technologies to deal with the problem is a good idea.  IF (and that's a big IF again) there is man made global warming we may develop new technology to deal with it.  Viable alternative energy R&D is a good idea.  Another idea would be finding alternative solutions--like perhaps a way to cap active volcanoes.

Excellent post Wazzzup with lots of interesting information.

[Wazzzup]

[size=150]Wazzzups--Things everyone should know about so-called climate change[/size]



Is there global warming?



The idea that greenhouse gases trap sunlight and increase heat is a scientific fact in a greenhouse.  BUT the earth is much more complex than a greenhouse.



The earth has been warmer and cooler than now MANY times before



The earth has been much warmer and much colder many times before man ever fired up a combustion engine so.  Climate change is normal and expected.  Climate NEVER stays the same, it ALWAYS goes up or down (warmer or colder)



Are humans causing global warming?



The earth has warmed .7 to .9 degrees in the last hundred years.  Had man not existed would it have warmed?  No one knows.  If humans are causing it how much are they causing it?  95%? 5%? Somewhere in between?  No one knows.  (and if they say they know they are lying)



Can Global warming scientists be trusted?



No.  Most of them get government grant money to say the earth is warming.  They are also mostly crusaders on a mission.  From what I have seen every one of their climate models does not predict temperature changes accurately (they all over predict) and there is more than ample evidence that they frequently lie about the data in order to get the results they want.



So IF (and that's a big IF) human made global warming is happening what can be done?



Carbon Taxes are a sham--Most governments that impose carbon taxes aren't even applying them to the environment.  They are just spending them like other taxes.



Electric cars are a sham--research shows that in order to break even a battery powered car must be driven at least 80,000 to 90,000 miles just to be the equivalent of a gas powered car. This is because fossil fuels need to be burned to make the batteries, and fossil fuels must be burned to charge the batteries.



Alternative energies-- nuclear energy is a good non carbon source of energy, but if something goes wrong it goes really wrong, also nuclear waste is very toxic and dangerous.  Other things like wind don't work well and are intermittent.  Solar cells are enormously expensive.



So what would actually make a difference?  (things that would actually work)



Cut back--If you really want to save the earth- get rid of your car, don't travel by air, stop using electricity, and stop heating and air conditioning your home.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.



Develop new technologies--Trying to develop new technologies to deal with the problem is a good idea.  IF (and that's a big IF again) there is man made global warming we may develop new technology to deal with it.  Viable alternative energy R&D is a good idea.  Another idea would be finding alternative solutions--like perhaps a way to cap active volcanoes.

Excellent post Wazzzup with lots of interesting information.

Thanks Fash. ac_drinks  



(BTW I edited out the previous volcano stuff from the first posting because I need to recheck it.)

[Anonymous]

[size=150]Wazzzups--Things everyone should know about so-called climate change[/size]



Is there global warming?



The idea that greenhouse gases trap sunlight and increase heat is a scientific fact in a greenhouse.  BUT the earth is much more complex than a greenhouse.



The earth has been warmer and cooler than now MANY times before



The earth has been much warmer and much colder many times before man ever fired up a combustion engine so.  Climate change is normal and expected.  Climate NEVER stays the same, it ALWAYS goes up or down (warmer or colder)



Are humans causing global warming?



The earth has warmed .7 to .9 degrees in the last hundred years.  Had man not existed would it have warmed?  No one knows.  If humans are causing it how much are they causing it?  95%? 5%? Somewhere in between?  No one knows.  (and if they say they know they are lying)



Can Global warming scientists be trusted?



No.  Most of them get government grant money to say the earth is warming.  They are also mostly crusaders on a mission.  From what I have seen every one of their climate models does not predict temperature changes accurately (they all over predict) and there is more than ample evidence that they frequently lie about the data in order to get the results they want.



So IF (and that's a big IF) human made global warming is happening what can be done?



Carbon Taxes are a sham--Most governments that impose carbon taxes aren't even applying them to the environment.  They are just spending them like other taxes.



Electric cars are a sham--research shows that in order to break even a battery powered car must be driven at least 80,000 to 90,000 miles just to be the equivalent of a gas powered car. This is because fossil fuels need to be burned to make the batteries, and fossil fuels must be burned to charge the batteries.



Alternative energies-- nuclear energy is a good non carbon source of energy, but if something goes wrong it goes really wrong, also nuclear waste is very toxic and dangerous.  Other things like wind don't work well and are intermittent.  Solar cells are enormously expensive.



So what would actually make a difference?  (things that would actually work)



Cut back--If you really want to save the earth- get rid of your car, don't travel by air, stop using electricity, and stop heating and air conditioning your home.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.



Develop new technologies--Trying to develop new technologies to deal with the problem is a good idea.  IF (and that's a big IF again) there is man made global warming we may develop new technology to deal with it.  Viable alternative energy R&D is a good idea.  Another idea would be finding alternative solutions--like perhaps a way to cap active volcanoes.

Seoulbro posted some good articles about finding commercial uses for CO2. Also carbon capture and seqiestration technologies. Both seem more sensible than forcing working people to subsidize billionaires like Elon Musk.

[Wazzzup]

[size=150]Wazzzups--Things everyone should know about so-called climate change[/size]



Is there global warming?



The idea that greenhouse gases trap sunlight and increase heat is a scientific fact in a greenhouse.  BUT the earth is much more complex than a greenhouse.



The earth has been warmer and cooler than now MANY times before



The earth has been much warmer and much colder many times before man ever fired up a combustion engine so.  Climate change is normal and expected.  Climate NEVER stays the same, it ALWAYS goes up or down (warmer or colder)



Are humans causing global warming?



The earth has warmed .7 to .9 degrees in the last hundred years.  Had man not existed would it have warmed?  No one knows.  If humans are causing it how much are they causing it?  95%? 5%? Somewhere in between?  No one knows.  (and if they say they know they are lying)



Can Global warming scientists be trusted?



No.  Most of them get government grant money to say the earth is warming.  They are also mostly crusaders on a mission.  From what I have seen every one of their climate models does not predict temperature changes accurately (they all over predict) and there is more than ample evidence that they frequently lie about the data in order to get the results they want.



So IF (and that's a big IF) human made global warming is happening what can be done?



Carbon Taxes are a sham--Most governments that impose carbon taxes aren't even applying them to the environment.  They are just spending them like other taxes.



Electric cars are a sham--research shows that in order to break even a battery powered car must be driven at least 80,000 to 90,000 miles just to be the equivalent of a gas powered car. This is because fossil fuels need to be burned to make the batteries, and fossil fuels must be burned to charge the batteries.



Alternative energies-- nuclear energy is a good non carbon source of energy, but if something goes wrong it goes really wrong, also nuclear waste is very toxic and dangerous.  Other things like wind don't work well and are intermittent.  Solar cells are enormously expensive.



So what would actually make a difference?  (things that would actually work)



Cut back--If you really want to save the earth- get rid of your car, don't travel by air, stop using electricity, and stop heating and air conditioning your home.  Any takers?  Didn't think so.



Develop new technologies--Trying to develop new technologies to deal with the problem is a good idea.  IF (and that's a big IF again) there is man made global warming we may develop new technology to deal with it.  Viable alternative energy R&D is a good idea.  Another idea would be finding alternative solutions--like perhaps a way to cap active volcanoes.

Seoulbro posted some good articles about finding commercial uses for CO2. Also carbon capture and seqiestration technologies. Both seem more sensible than forcing working people to subsidize billionaires like Elon Musk.

No doubt SB has posted a lot of good stuff on Climate change.



**IF** there is man made climate change we need to deal with it intelligently, adapt-- use research to developmoent to create new technology and come up with economically viable ways to deal with the problem etc.  



Doing it the progtard way is a joke-- taxing people, coming up with costly schemes that wont work like AOCs ridiculous green scam, and hand wringing and virtue signalling while they hypocritically fly jets all over the place--none of that will solve ANYTHING.

[Anonymous]

Progs scream the loudest about climate change, but don't show any credibility. Charge working people more money for the necessities of life and give the proceeds to corporations and rich progs who finance the campaigns of politicians like AOC and Trudeau.

[Anonymous]

The average tree can eat up as much as 48 lbs. of CO2 a year. That's 21.772 kg. Over the average lifespan of a tree, they said it can absorb a ton of CO2. Another study by 38 scientists about how many trees there are in the world was published in the Washington Post in 2015. One part of that study says that Canada has 318 billion trees. We are a huge country. The whole planet has about three trillion trees. So 318 billion trees can almost eat up 7 billion kg (that's billion with a B) in CO2 a year. Canada Energy and Environmental Services pegged our Canadian CO2 output at 573 million tons in 2017. This means that Canada's trees eat up 12 times more C02 than we're producing.

[Anonymous]

The average tree can eat up as much as 48 lbs. of CO2 a year. That's 21.772 kg. Over the average lifespan of a tree, they said it can absorb a ton of CO2. Another study by 38 scientists about how many trees there are in the world was published in the Washington Post in 2015. One part of that study says that Canada has 318 billion trees. We are a huge country. The whole planet has about three trillion trees. So 318 billion trees can almost eat up 7 billion kg (that's billion with a B) in CO2 a year. Canada Energy and Environmental Services pegged our Canadian CO2 output at 573 million tons in 2017. This means that Canada's trees eat up 12 times more C02 than we're producing.

Great post, but Trudeau and his prog ilk are not interested in science. It's a fact that Trudeau's carbon tax grab cannot possibly change the climate. But, if we remind him of that, he along with climate Barbie call us deniers.



They silence working people as they rob us blind. Meanwhile they travel to exotic locales and do nothing to lower their carbon footprint.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

You know Elon Musk will use his billions to fight this inconvenient truth about e-cars.



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Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars



The Brussel Times reports that a new German study exposes how electric vehicles will hardly decrease CO2 emissions in Europe over the coming years, as the introduction of electric vehicles won't lead to a reduction in CO2 emissions from highway traffic.



According to the study directed by Christoph Buchal of the University of Cologne, published by the Ifo Institute in Munich last week, electric vehicles have "significantly higher CO2 emissions than diesel cars." That is due to the significant amount of energy used in the mining and processing of lithium, cobalt, and manganese, which are critical raw materials for the production of electric car batteries.



A battery pack for a Tesla Model 3 pollutes the climate with 11 to 15 tonnes of CO2. Each battery pack has a lifespan of approximately ten years and total mileage of 94,000, would mean 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometer (116 to 156 grams of CO2 per mile), Buchal said. Add to this the CO2 emissions of the electricity from powerplants that power such vehicles, and the actual Tesla emissions could be between 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometer (249 and 289 grams of CO2 per mile).



German researchers criticized the fact that EU legislation classifies electric cars as zero-emission cars; they call it a deception because electric cars, like the Model 3, with all the factors, included, produce more emissions than diesel vehicles by Mercedes.



They further wrote that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per kilometer by 2030 is "technically unrealistic."



The reality is, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in mining the raw materials for the production of electric vehicles, all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles' batteries using dirty power plants.



For true emission reductions, researchers concluded the study by saying methane-powered gasoline engines or hydrogen motors could cut CO2 emissions by a third and possibly eliminate the need for diesel motors.



"Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well."



So maybe Elon Musk's plan to save the world with electric cars is the biggest scam of our lifetime...

[Anonymous]

Herman, I found this about electric vehicle batteries from Amnesty International.



Environmental impacts

Rising demand for minerals needed to produce the batteries has led to a surge in interest in deep-sea mining.



According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), 29 contracts for the exploration of deep-sea mineral deposits had been granted by the International Seabed Authority by May 2018. The IUCN estimates that commercial mining could start in 2020 in Papua New Guinea's national waters and by 2025 in international waters.



A study by scientists from the University of Exeter concluded last year that deep-sea mining could lead to the release of toxic element and to rapid loss of marine species.



Furthermore, the production of the batteries is currently concentrated in Asian countries including China, South Korea and Japan, where "electricity generation remains dependent on coal and other polluting sources of power," Amnesty noted.



The NGO does however laud the some companies including Apple, BMW, Daimler and Renault for publishing data about their supply chains. It is urging others to do the same and called on the electric vehicle industry to come up with an ethical and clean battery within five years.

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British, Australian or New Zealand Labour?

[Gaon]

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British, Australian or New Zealand Labour?

Probably British Labor, but I don't know for sure. It's only a joke.

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British, Australian or New Zealand Labour?

Probably British Labor, but I don't know for sure. It's only a joke.

Of course.

[Bricktop]

I'd say Australian, because it is the only party I know of that misspells "Labour".



It's rather entertaining at the moment watching them squirm and justify their humiliating electoral loss.



Their new leader almost certainly guarantees the Conservatives another term at the next election. Just another leftist hack with nothing to offer but socialist policies.