The 15/hr bullshit

[Bricktop]

As of last budget...zero.



"Restoring the nation's finances by charting a responsible path to surplus



After more than a decade of deficits, the budget returns to surplus in 2019-20.



It has been a long road from where this process started when the Government was first elected.



In 2013-14, some five years after the Global Financial Crisis, the deficit was still the second highest in Australia's history. Since then, the Government has made steady progress to repair the budget and chart a responsible path back to surplus.



The total turnaround in the budget balance between 2013-14 and 2019-20 is projected to be $55.5 billion, or 3.4 per cent of GDP.



The Government's plan for a stronger economy ensures it can guarantee essential services while returning the budget to surplus."

[Anonymous]

As of last budget...zero.



"Restoring the nation's finances by charting a responsible path to surplus



After more than a decade of deficits, the budget returns to surplus in 2019-20.



It has been a long road from where this process started when the Government was first elected.



In 2013-14, some five years after the Global Financial Crisis, the deficit was still the second highest in Australia's history. Since then, the Government has made steady progress to repair the budget and chart a responsible path back to surplus.



The total turnaround in the budget balance between 2013-14 and 2019-20 is projected to be $55.5 billion, or 3.4 per cent of GDP.



The Government's plan for a stronger economy ensures it can guarantee essential services while returning the budget to surplus."

That's deficit. You guys had eleven straight years of deficits. That is now debt.



Federally, our debt load is low and manageable. But, some provinces in Canada have extremely high debt levels. Ontario has the highest sub sovereign debt in the world. And our living standards and services are n decline because we can't get our resources to international markets.

[Bricktop]

You need a new leader.



Pronto.

[Anonymous]

You need a new leader.



Pronto.

I never though government could really affect anything..



Our premier and Trudeau have worked in unison to destroy resource based jobs.

[Wazzzup]

According to the New York Post, a once growing service industry in New York is now seeing staff cuts, hours being shortened, and prices going up thanks to New York's $15/hr minimum wage hike, and it's not small:

A total of 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents reduced employee hours, and 36 percent eliminated jobs in 2018, the survey said.



Also, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents reported that they will reduce employee hours, and 53 percent will eliminate jobs in 2019 as a result of the wage increases, according to the survey.

"The results of this survey, and other industry trends, signal that a once-growing industry responsible for hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in economic impact has become stagnant," said the Hospitality Alliance, who conducted the study.[/quote]

[Anonymous]

According to the New York Post, a once growing service industry in New York is now seeing staff cuts, hours being shortened, and prices going up thanks to New York's $15/hr minimum wage hike, and it's not small:

A total of 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents reduced employee hours, and 36 percent eliminated jobs in 2018, the survey said.



Also, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents reported that they will reduce employee hours, and 53 percent will eliminate jobs in 2019 as a result of the wage increases, according to the survey.

"The results of this survey, and other industry trends, signal that a once-growing industry responsible for hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in economic impact has become stagnant," said the Hospitality Alliance, who conducted the study.

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The same thing happened in Ontario.

[Bricktop]

According to the New York Post, a once growing service industry in New York is now seeing staff cuts, hours being shortened, and prices going up thanks to New York's $15/hr minimum wage hike, and it's not small:

A total of 76.5 percent of full-service restaurant respondents reduced employee hours, and 36 percent eliminated jobs in 2018, the survey said.



Also, 75 percent of limited-service restaurant respondents reported that they will reduce employee hours, and 53 percent will eliminate jobs in 2019 as a result of the wage increases, according to the survey.

"The results of this survey, and other industry trends, signal that a once-growing industry responsible for hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in economic impact has become stagnant," said the Hospitality Alliance, who conducted the study.

[/quote]

This, of course, is a nonsense.



If this report is to be believed, what it is really saying is that businesses who have relied on insubstantial wages to make the owners a profit have been able to employ more people because their salaries are a pittance that are subsidised by customers generosity.



Would YOU work for small change, and hope that the people you provide a service to generously reward you rather than the employer? I sure as hell wouldn't.



The business model that provides remuneration based on the discretion of customers is disgraceful. Proponents are saying that just because some people are employed in restaurants, they forfeit a reasonable, reliable and fair wage whilst everyone else is remunerated more generously and fairly.



Tipping is a cop out by employers. It is unfair to them as well as staff, and enables people to receive a wage without paying tax.



Providing a minimum wage is fair and reasonable...and if tipping is thus phased out, will have no effect on how much the consumer pays.

[Anonymous]

The same thing happened in two Canadian provinces that raised their minimum wages too much and too fast. If asked, most restaurant and bar staff don't want their wages raised by governments. Tips are better than a higher minimum wage.

[Bricktop]

Of course they are.



They don't pay tax on them!!!



So why don't we remunerate ALL workers who provide a service in this manner. How about nurses? Retail assistants? Rubbish collectors?



The fact is this whole issue is focussed on ONE vocation...service in the food industry. They are no less deserving of a living wage than anyone else.



Any business that goes broke because it has to pay a reasonable wage to its staff shouldn't be in business in the first place.



And if they pay no tax, everyone else is paying it for them.

[Anonymous]

Of course they are.



They don't pay tax on them!!!



So why don't we remunerate ALL workers who provide a service in this manner. How about nurses? Retail assistants? Rubbish collectors?



The fact is this whole issue is focussed on ONE vocation...service in the food industry. They are no less deserving of a living wage than anyone else.



Any business that goes broke because it has to pay a reasonable wage to its staff shouldn't be in business in the first place.



And if they pay no tax, everyone else is paying it for them.

I'm the only person here who's worked as a server..



Servers made a living wage, but the government decided they wanted to live better off of our wages..



The tipping culture was not broken..



Single mothers supported children on tips..



Raising the minimum wage when nobody asked for it, has the affect of lowering wages.

[Anonymous]

Facts about rapid arbitrary government imposed increases in  minimum wages:



-It has reduced incomes for hospitality workers it was supposed to help

-Employment hours in the hospitality sector have been cut

-Higher wages means higher costs for small business owners who were just barely getting by in the first place

-It raised prices for consumers

-Fewer applicants are seeking hospitality positions as tip incentive is disappearing

-Revenues have risen marginally as people at the bottom of the employment ladder finance fiscally reckless governments

[Bricktop]

Why, then, isn't Australia's hospitality industry in ruin?



If that industry has been established by a remuneration model that is unfair, then it is time it was brought into line.



I would rather see those employed being paid a fair wage than many people being exploited by being paid a pittance.



Perhaps those of you who find this unfair would take a pay cut to allow YOUR employer to add more staff?

[Anonymous]

Why, then, isn't Australia's hospitality industry in ruin?



If that industry has been established by a remuneration model that is unfair, then it is time it was brought into line.



I would rather see those employed being paid a fair wage than many people being exploited by being paid a pittance.



Perhaps those of you who find this unfair would take a pay cut to allow YOUR employer to add more staff?

We have always had an incentive based pay system in our hospitality industry. As a socialist, I am on the side of people who work in that industry. If they are happy with living on tips, I support them. If the government decides it's not in their interests and decides to change it unilaterally I am suspicious of their motives.

[Bricktop]

How can you be happy living on uncertain and capricious gestures by customers?



Try getting finance, and telling the broker you get paid $8 per hour...plus tips.



You can be sure that 12 months after the minimum wage is applied, they will resist any attempt to go back to "the good old days".

[Anonymous]

How can you be happy living on uncertain and capricious gestures by customers?



Try getting finance, and telling the broker you get paid $8 per hour...plus tips.



You can be sure that 12 months after the minimum wage is applied, they will resist any attempt to go back to "the good old days".

How can anyone be happy with higher take home pay? Are you serious?



A lot of Canadians pay is incentive based. I get paid by the mile. My train is stuck in a siding, I don't earn money. I had no trouble qualifying for a mortgage. This is Canada after all. We like heavy consumer debt.