Rugby Australia Fires Israel Folau for "contentious online posts"

[Bricktop]

Oh, it's a long way from over. This is just the beginning.



Sports administrators in all sporting categories will be watching this unfold with baited breath.

[Anonymous]

Oh, it's a long way from over. This is just the beginning.



Sports administrators in all sporting categories will be watching this unfold with baited breath.

It will have repercussions for team sports globally.

[caskur]

 In some cases, the president of the country has attempted to meddle and directly intervene in such matters, in ways that are sometimes patently unlawful.  

Wha?  Unlawful? LOL When did this happen?  



If you're comparing this to the NFL stuff you are comparing apples and doorknobs.  The NFL players were doing their stuff on the field, not on social media  on their own time, HUGE difference.

Peaches is pretty dumb or has serous comprehension problems.



Same thing I guess.

[Gaon]

 In some cases, the president of the country has attempted to meddle and directly intervene in such matters, in ways that are sometimes patently unlawful.  

Wha?  Unlawful? LOL When did this happen?  



If you're comparing this to the NFL stuff you are comparing apples and doorknobs.  The NFL players were doing their stuff on the field, not on social media  on their own time, HUGE difference.

Peaches is pretty dumb or has serous comprehension problems.



Same thing I guess.

He suffers from Trump derangement syndrome. It's a plague among progressives.

[Anonymous]

 In some cases, the president of the country has attempted to meddle and directly intervene in such matters, in ways that are sometimes patently unlawful.  

Wha?  Unlawful? LOL When did this happen?  



If you're comparing this to the NFL stuff you are comparing apples and doorknobs.  The NFL players were doing their stuff on the field, not on social media  on their own time, HUGE difference.

I don't see the distinction you're raising about "on the job" vs. "social media" as being significant.  A lot of the NFL protesters did so on the field with the blessing of their team's owners.



I was referring to 18 U.S. Code § 227 which criminalizes actions of elected federal officials who seek to influence the hiring and firing decisions of private entities.  And I'm aware that many pundits, including the liberal WaPo, have scoffed at this idea because the intent of this law requires the interference to be solely based on "partisan political affiliation" which is Congress's polite term for "party membership."  



However, since it's Saturday night I'll put on my Internet Lawyer uniform and you can do the same if you like, but I'm only gonna make one run at this and not come back to it because I don't want to derail the thread into US politics.  



The term "partisan political affiliation" does enjoy a lot of customary use, but I'm unaware it's ever been given a legal definition by statute and only a cloudy one (at best) in case law, simply because parties are extra-constitutional creatures and nobody wants to talk about them in court if they can help it.  



Consequently, since the president (1) called Kaemp a son of a bitch in public speeches, (2) tweeted that he and others should be fired, and (3) specifically took personal credit for the fact that Kaemp ended up jobless and unemployable, I'll bet a bunch of money there are attorneys out there who'd be quite happy to sue in the Ninth District where Kaemp and his former team happen to live.  And they might get somewhere with it, the Ninth being a huge blister on Trump's ass every chance it gets.



There is additionally the issue that the president swore a constitutional oath to "faithfully" exercise the duties of his office, and while this is more a matter for Congressional oversight than it is for lawsuits, I'm also not aware that the exact legal or constitutional definition of "faithfully" has been authoritatively sorted out.



That's my shot, pal.  Knock your socks off.

Firstly Its not Kaemp its Kaepernick, and he was never fired.  NFL teams just didn't want to hire him. (see reasons below)  



Ironically in a free speech thread you're against a presidents right to free speech.  A president just like anyone can voice an opinion, "that guy should be fired" is merely expressing an opinion and is a long way from threats of "fire him or I will retaliate against you" which is what that law is about.  (IF not then Barack Obama needs to be charged with jury tampering for saying "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago")



NFL teams didn't want to hire Kaepernick back because A He wasn't any good anymore, and B because they didn't want needless distractions that ruin team performance.  Kaepernicks behavior also impacted business as ticket sales dropped considerably because of his ON THE FIELD shenanigans.



It had nothing to do with Trump.



The NFL thing and this soccer player are nothing alike.  I think you're trying to say "the right does it too" when it comes to free speech.  But if so the ratio is about a thousand to one.  



The left were once the biggest defenders of free speech.  Now they are the greatest threat to it.

It's obvious Ms Peaches doesn't know fuck all about "Kaemp." Probably nothing about any sport besides figure skating. But, like all trained seal progtards, he hates Trump. That's enough for them.

[Anonymous]

ATTN MODS:  This serious topic has merit and far-reaching ramifications.  I think it would be a shame if it got derailed by the last few posters who have nothing better than blowing smoke and tossing stale ad hominems at me over what is clearly a tangential issue to the OP.



I refer specifically to caskur, Gaon, and of course Hermzilla.

[Anonymous]

ATTN MODS:  This serious topic has merit and far-reaching ramifications.  I think it would be a shame if it got derailed by the last few posters who have nothing better than blowing smoke and tossing stale ad hominems at me over what is clearly a tangential issue to the OP.



I refer specifically to caskur, Gaon, and of course Hermzilla.

Go hide behind little red riding good Ms Peaches.

[Gaon]

ATTN MODS:  This serious topic has merit and far-reaching ramifications.  I think it would be a shame if it got derailed by the last few posters who have nothing better than blowing smoke and tossing stale ad hominems at me over what is clearly a tangential issue to the OP.



I refer specifically to caskur, Gaon, and of course Hermzilla.

I wasn't trying to attack you personally. But, you did inject your bias against the American president into this discussion.

[Thiel]

"Rugby Australia on Friday terminated Folau's four-year contract, 10 days after an independent panel found the 30-year-old fullback guilty of a high-level breach of the players' code of conduct for his contentious post in mid-April.



"Folau can appeal the decision but it appears, at least for now, that his career has gone down in flames. The saga also has thrown Australia's preparations for the Rugby World Cup into turmoil.



"A self-described devout Christian, Folau said he was merely posting a passage from the bible and he refused to take down the online post. For rugby Australia, it boiled down to a contract issue."





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Obviously I strongly disagree with this player, but he should be able to say what he feels without being fired for it.

[Bricktop]

Few agree with him, but many are angry at the degree of censorship being applied by a SPORTING body.



Who are they to judge a man's right to speak his mind?

[Anonymous]

Few agree with him, but many are angry at the degree of censorship being applied by a SPORTING body.



Who are they to judge a man's right to speak his mind?

His religion, his business, not the league's.

[Wazzzup]

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[caskur]

Few agree with him, but many are angry at the degree of censorship being applied by a SPORTING body.



Who are they to judge a man's right to speak his mind?

His religion, his business, not the league's.

Funny thing is, he told homosexuals are going to hell and to think about what they're doing out of compassion and love, not hate. Only very few saw it when it became a newsworthy issue...



Now the whole world has heard it and it's become a BIG issue. You cannot buy that sort of free publicity.





If you want to get a inflammatory message out, the media will help that along nicely.

[Bricktop]

There is some talk that this issue also helped the Libs win the election.



Voters saw what was being done to freedom of speech as displayed by this incident, and that also tilted them away from the left.

[caskur]

There is some talk that this issue also helped the Libs win the election.



Voters saw what was being done to freedom of speech as displayed by this incident, and that also tilted them away from the left.

Good point.



But it's too late. The homsexual lobby rule now.



Don't forget ScoMO isn't really a believer in free speech.. He sacked Liberal candidate Jessica Whelan





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