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Quote from: Fashionista post_id=420063 time=1630994264 user_id=3254
Quote from: cc post_id=420061 time=1630994073 user_id=88
Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=420002 time=1630971569 user_id=56
Can we come to grips with two facts?



1) "Covid-Zero" isn't a thing in the real life world. It's an impossible ideal. Let's just put that term to bed.

2) This pandemic won't just disappear. It subsides in waves. Natural waves of infections (and deaths) that crest lower each time and eventually (mostly) subside.



The real pandemic ended in February. That was the last wave during which we didn't have widespread vaccinations. Now, most of us are vaccinated or have built up natural immunities and each wave that ripples through our communities ripples a little less.

All the patterns are pretty much the same in other countries and globally, save for different timings and incomplete data. For example, the U.S. is already coming down from their "crest" while Canada is still reaching it.

Government policy has nothing to do with it at this point. The only policies and actions that mattered was getting people vaccinated. Now we just watch waves rising and falling and eventually diminishing.

The strength of waves cannot really be known 1. as we apply restrictions period,  and 2. more so in that the restrictions and their timing relative to spread varies



In other words the numbers of each wave are artificially influenced, so cannot be compared under same circumstances

But, we know the hospitalizations, and deaths.

That is true at a given moment in time  ... but because we do things to slow / alter  waves, we can never know what it would have been if left alone



And because we do things differently each time, we cannot compare one wave to another as to how they would have compared if left alone



Would one have been larger or smaller than another can never be known
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

We do know immunity, either through vaccination or infection and recovery in my case is causing death rates to slow.

Anonymous

The past four days in Alberta.



1,303 Cases on September 6

820 Cases on September 5

1,450 Cases on September 4

1,330 Cases on September 3



There are 15,486 Active cases, 602 In hospital, and 137 In intensive care.

Anonymous

Quote from: Fashionista post_id=420092 time=1631051499 user_id=3254
The past four days in Alberta.



1,303 Cases on September 6

820 Cases on September 5

1,450 Cases on September 4

1,330 Cases on September 3



There are 15,486 Active cases, 602 In hospital, and 137 In intensive care.

The death rate is low. I couldn't find weekend data on vaccinated vs unvaxxed.

cc

I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=420099 time=1631054327 user_id=88
I cannot find today's Alberta count

I posted Alberta's weekend cases above cc.

cc

yes, but not today's



They did post a 5 day total so I got today by subtracting from total



our 4 day (Sat to today) has not come out yet
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=420102 time=1631055482 user_id=88
yes, but not today's



They did post a 5 day total so I got today by subtracting from total



our 4 day (Sat to today) has not come out yet

I thought that was actually for Saturday to today..



Today would appear as September 6 for example.

Anonymous

BC had less than half the cases we did at 2425 and fifteen deaths..



BC has 255 people in hospital and 126 in ICU.

Anonymous

Alberta is developing a machine-readable QR code that can be downloaded or placed on a smartphone to make it easy to prove vaccination status..



Even if the province doesn't force vaccine passports, most businesses, large events and organizations will use the QR code.

cc

So, each business decides how they want to play it?
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=420117 time=1631077680 user_id=88
So, each business decides how they want to play it?

The QR code is voluntary, but it's for proof of vaccination..



I expect it will be applied to most places across the province.

Anonymous

I read something interesting from Saskatchewan.....eighty four per cent of all new cases and hospitalizations in August were among the unvaccinated.

cc

Todays Ontario report has ICU at - 120 unvaxxed or partial, 8 fully vaxxed



Also rate of infections for unvaxxed per 100,000 people is 11.1 --- from vaxxed is 1.6





And to be accurate in perspective, we need to keep in mind that unvaxxed numbers come from only 1/4 of the population ... vaxxed comes from 75%



https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data">https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=420143 time=1631133345 user_id=88
Todays Ontario report has ICU at - 120 unvaxxed or partial, 8 fully vaxxed



Also rate of infections for unvaxxed per 100,000 people is 11.1 --- from vaxxed is 1.6





And to be accurate in perspective, we need to keep in mind that unvaxxed numbers come from only 1/4 of the population ... vaxxed comes from 75%



https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data">https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

People getting sick or in ICU are where the difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is most pronounced.