Corona Virus Chuckles - Let's relax and chuckle a bit

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[Anonymous]

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I admit there is some contradictory messaging.

[cc]

It's not contradictory. That's just hokey word-play



Vaccines were never sold as 100% effective ... and variants lowers protection .. so can be infected (albeit usually less severe symptoms)



My biggest beef is that unvaxxed are filling hospitals and thus harming the entire population - they have caused hospitals to not do the things they always have done for society before unvaxxed filled them



Nothing has changed my original suggestion for them starting with the letters AR

[Anonymous]

It's not contradictory. That's just hokey word-play



Vaccines were never sold as 100% effective ... and variants lowers protection .. so can be infected (albeit usually less severe symptoms)



My biggest beef is that unvaxxed are filling hospitals and thus harming the entire population - they have caused hospitals to not do the things they always have done for society before unvaxxed filled them



Nothing has changed my original suggestion for them starting with the letters AR

They were promoted as ninety five percent effective. They never were and less so now with variants.

[cc]

They were initially before variants ..... showed above factory specs initially



But none of that is the point. - Antivaxxers are the ones filling hospitals and hurting society because they don't give a damn about society / others



The consistently near 10 / 1 ICU rate in raw numbers alone cannot be dented with smartass word-play - and factoring in % of population vaxed / unvaxxed that becomes 30 / 1

[Anonymous]

They were initially before variants ..... showed above factory specs initially



But none of that is the point. - Antivaxxers are the ones filling hospitals and hurting society because they don't give a damn about society / others



The consistently near 10 / 1 ICU rate in raw numbers alone cannot be dented with smartass word-play - and factoring in % of population vaxed / unvaxxed that becomes 30 / 1

The treatment value of vaccines is there. But, it was creative data that got companies like Pfizer the ninety five percent efficacy number.

[cc]

it was creative data that got companies like Pfizer the ninety five percent efficacy number.

I'm not sure why you say that.



 Initial real world data from some of our provinces and several countries also supported it until variants entered the picture.

[Anonymous]

They were initially before variants ..... showed above factory specs initially



But none of that is the point. - Antivaxxers are the ones filling hospitals and hurting society because they don't give a damn about society / others



The consistently near 10 / 1 ICU rate in raw numbers alone cannot be dented with smartass word-play - and factoring in % of population vaxed / unvaxxed that becomes 30 / 1

The treatment value of vaccines is there. But, it was creative data that got companies like Pfizer the ninety five percent efficacy number.

Seoul, it's not like you to believe conspiracy theories..



Can you support what you posted?

[Anonymous]

Seoul, it's not like you to believe conspiracy theories..



Can you support what you posted?

Yes, In can.



Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)—ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine—which is expressed as 1–RR. Ranking by reported efficacy gives relative risk reductions of 95% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 94% for the Moderna–NIH, 91% for the Gamaleya, 67% for the J&J, and 67% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines. However, RRR should be seen against the background risk of being infected and becoming ill with COVID-19, which varies between populations and over time. Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the vaccine, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs



There are many lessons to learn from the way studies are conducted and results are presented. With the use of only RRRs, and omitting ARRs, reporting bias is introduced, which affects the interpretation of vaccine efficacy.10 When communicating about vaccine efficacy, especially for public health decisions such as choosing the type of vaccines to purchase and deploy, having a full picture of what the data actually show is important, and ensuring comparisons are based on the combined evidence that puts vaccine trial results in context and not just looking at one summary measure, is also important. Such decisions should be properly informed by detailed understanding of study results, requiring access to full datasets and independent scrutiny and analyses.

Unfortunately, comparing vaccines on the basis of currently available trial (interim) data is made even more difficult by disparate study protocols, including primary endpoints (such as what is considered a COVID-19 case, and when is this assessed), types of placebo, study populations, background risks of COVID-19 during the study, duration of exposure, and different definitions of populations for analyses both within and between studies, as well as definitions of endpoints and statistical methods for efficacy. Importantly, we are left with the unanswered question as to whether a vaccine with a given efficacy in the study population will have the same efficacy in another population with different levels of background risk of COVID-19. This is not a trivial question because transmission intensity varies between countries, affected by factors such as public health interventions and virus variants. The only reported indication of vaccine effectiveness is the Israeli mass vaccination campaign using the Pfizer–BioNTech product. Although the design and methodology are radically different from the randomised trial,2 Dagan and colleagues11 report an RRR of 94%, which is essentially the same as the RRR of the phase 3 trial (95%) but with an ARR of 0·46%, which translates into an NNV of 217 (when the ARR was 0·84% and the NNV was 119 in the phase 3 trial). This means in a real-life setting, 1·8 times more subjects might need to be vaccinated to prevent one more case of COVID-19 than predicted in the corresponding clinical trial.

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A fifth wave..,,

 

[cc]

There is no question now that it's the unvaxxed .. 95% of our ICU patients are unvaxxed



Thus  95 % is from only 20% of our population ... a no-brainer to the extreme

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Hey pig, are you vaccinated?

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Speaking of additional jabs, I read the FDA has shot down Biden's plan for a third dose for all Americans.

[Odinson]