Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach ‘herd immunity’ in weeks

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Quebec's premier is pushing the idea of herd immunity among less vulnerable demographics.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... s-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/

Premier François Legault pushed the concept of "herd immunity" on Thursday as he prepared to lay the groundwork next week for a plan to gradually restart the economy and get children back to schools.



The approach would involve exposing a large proportion of Quebecers to the novel coronavirus in a measured, gradual way, to help them develop a natural immunity.



The idea of reopening schools has garnered an unfavourable response among some parents, teachers and unions, who worry about kids returning to class just weeks after physical distancing and stay-at-home measures were enacted to slow the spread of COVID-19.



But Mr. Legault argued Thursday that less than 10 per cent of the province is currently naturally immune to COVID-19 – perhaps a bit more in hard-hit Montreal – and that number won't change unless the province starts resuming certain activities.



"The idea is to go very gradually so that people who are less at risk can develop antibodies to be able to become immune," Mr. Legault said.

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in a measured, gradual way, to help them develop a natural immunity.

I have no idea what "develop a natural immunity" means. Clearly it's theory



Not wishing to shoot it down, but I don't think there is any such thing .. outside of a wishful theory



I heard it mentioned re: Sweden, and wondered wtf they were talking about .. even something about "60 %"



I don't get it .. seems to me you either pick it up  and get it 100% like everyone else .. or you don't pick it up and don't get it at all .. yet. This isn't some not too nasty germ that one can not get hurt and develop antibodies for with gradual exposure .. like people do in 3rd world countries .



While it sounds wonderful, I've heard of very little and no substantive science claims that it even exists

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There is a good chance that there is no immunity and it just keeps on infecting people who have previously had it..

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There is a good chance that there is no immunity and it just keeps on infecting people who have previously had it..

There is a good chance COVID-19 science is wrong most of the time.

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It is. All it has is untested unproven theories



and surprises which is useful info (provided science is open to monitoring results and reacting accordingly instead of simply reacting based on instincts and sticking to what fails)



While I'm on that, an example - I'm coming to agree with some specialists that  ventilators are killing more than they are saving ... again false initial assumptions that it does well for pneumonia .. and this seemed similar for some .. so "let's use them". I'm seeing new ideas on that based on "actual results"  that their original idea was "dead" wrong for Covid and they are killing people .... and that moderate pressure oxygen from mask only and patient placed on side or belly saves many many more .. again, from examples not from theory or assumptions



In short, serious pneumonia patients have no or extremely weak lung power so they need it and it helps them, despite their being in the worse possible position for lungs to function  .. Covid patient do have some lung power and vents reduce, even take over that .. and so extra oxygen + placement such that lungs are less externally compressed  is showing FAR better outcomes.



They should have spotted this sooner, as more pneumonia patients survive on them that do Covid patients  .. yet Covid patients do better on oxygen and correct placement which is often not enough for serious pneumonia cases



You are correct - In several areas science has guessed wrong on Covid often

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I agree based on what I have read. COVID patients on ventilators have high mortality rates. That is not a coincidence.

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This appeared in the New York Times.



Sweden's death rate of 22 per 100,000 people is the same as that of Ireland, which has earned accolades for its handling of the pandemic, and far better than in Britain or France.



While other countries were slamming on the brakes, Sweden allowed restaurants and bars to keep serving, left preschools and grade schools in session and placed no limits on public transport or outings in local parks. Hairdressers, yoga studios, gyms and even some cinemas have remained open.



Gatherings of more than 50 people are banned. Museums have closed and sporting events have been canceled. At the end of March, the authorities banned visits to nursing homes.

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244 / Million?



We are 74  .. Sweden death rate is 1 in 8 cases  .. ours is 1 in 19 cases (UK, US, Germany are almost tied with us)  .. meaning Sweden is killing their elders at one of the highest rates in the world



I have believed from the gitgo that was the plan .. to save their failing retirement and cradle to grave ultra prog funds



Remember, Sweden is the land of euthanasia





Also, current new cases & new deaths per x # of people does not come even close to us and many others .. by a factor of about 4 .. that includes today

Don't let the totals fool ya folks, they have only 10 million people in all  ..Our Province  Ontario alone has almost 1 1/2 times as many as their entire country to put it in perspective

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244 / Million?



We are 74  .. Sweden death rate is 1 in 8 cases  .. ours is 1 in 19 cases (UK, US, Germany are almost tied with us)  .. meaning Sweden is killing their elders at one of the highest rates in the world



I have believed from the gitgo that was the plan .. to save their failing retirement and cradle to grave ultra prog funds



Remember, Sweden is the land of euthanasia





Also, current new cases and new deaths per x # of people does not come even close to us and many others .. by a factor of about 4 .. that includes today

Belgium has the highest death at 57 per 100,000 cases of the coronavirus.



Sweden's rate of incidence per 100,000 is lower than many European countries.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110187/coronavirus-incidence-europe-by-country/">https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... y-country/">https://www.statista.com/statistics/1110187/coronavirus-incidence-europe-by-country/

[Anonymous]

Quebec's premier is pushing the idea of herd immunity among less vulnerable demographics.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... s-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/

Premier François Legault pushed the concept of "herd immunity" on Thursday as he prepared to lay the groundwork next week for a plan to gradually restart the economy and get children back to schools.



The approach would involve exposing a large proportion of Quebecers to the novel coronavirus in a measured, gradual way, to help them develop a natural immunity.



The idea of reopening schools has garnered an unfavourable response among some parents, teachers and unions, who worry about kids returning to class just weeks after physical distancing and stay-at-home measures were enacted to slow the spread of COVID-19.



But Mr. Legault argued Thursday that less than 10 per cent of the province is currently naturally immune to COVID-19 – perhaps a bit more in hard-hit Montreal – and that number won't change unless the province starts resuming certain activities.



"The idea is to go very gradually so that people who are less at risk can develop antibodies to be able to become immune," Mr. Legault said.

All Western countries have seen their non COVID deaths soar. That is because lockdowns are worse than the coronavirus itself. I'm willing to be non COVID deaths have not risen that much.

[Anonymous]

Quebec's premier is pushing the idea of herd immunity among less vulnerable demographics.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... s-gradual/">https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-francois-legault-pushes-herd-immunity-ahead-of-quebecs-gradual/

Premier François Legault pushed the concept of "herd immunity" on Thursday as he prepared to lay the groundwork next week for a plan to gradually restart the economy and get children back to schools.



The approach would involve exposing a large proportion of Quebecers to the novel coronavirus in a measured, gradual way, to help them develop a natural immunity.



The idea of reopening schools has garnered an unfavourable response among some parents, teachers and unions, who worry about kids returning to class just weeks after physical distancing and stay-at-home measures were enacted to slow the spread of COVID-19.



But Mr. Legault argued Thursday that less than 10 per cent of the province is currently naturally immune to COVID-19 – perhaps a bit more in hard-hit Montreal – and that number won't change unless the province starts resuming certain activities.



"The idea is to go very gradually so that people who are less at risk can develop antibodies to be able to become immune," Mr. Legault said.

All Western countries have seen their non COVID deaths soar. That is because lockdowns are worse than the coronavirus itself. I'm willing to be non COVID deaths have not risen that much.

Time will tell if the Swedish response to the coronavirus was better or worse than their European neighbours.

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All Western countries have seen their non COVID deaths soar. That is because lockdowns are worse than the coronavirus itself. I'm willing to be non COVID deaths have not risen that much.

Not Australia and New Zealand and we're "western countries"...



You need to check your stats.



Here is a link for you. It's a good one...





https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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All Western countries have seen their non COVID deaths soar. That is because lockdowns are worse than the coronavirus itself. I'm willing to be non COVID deaths have not risen that much.

Not Australia and New Zealand and we're "western countries"...



You need to check your stats.



Here is a link for you. It's a good one...





https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thats COVID related deaths.