Pro and con discussion regarding fast food wages....

[Anonymous]

Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

[Renee]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



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http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/t ... z2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956 ... ting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/unde ... icies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

[Anonymous]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-to-help/">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/t ... z2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956 ... ting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/unde ... icies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

No they are much, much worse. Big companies pay wages, taxes and are philanthropic. Big greedy government, big greedy labour and big greedy NGO's take, take, take and give fuck all in return.

[Renee]

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

No they are much, much worse. Big companies pay wages, taxes and are philanthropic. Big greedy government, big greedy labour and big greedy NGO's take, take, take and give fuck all in return.

You are right they are much worse because they lie directly to your face and make false claims that they are looking out for those who can't look out for themselves. The greater good and fairness for all and all that horseshit. Fucking two bit con men and thieves is all they really are.

[Anonymous]

Of course it helps no one and if you take government mandated wages to their logical conclusion you end up with a collapsed economy. To the liberals it is more compassionate and fairer to raise the minimum wage to unrealistically high levels. Their way of thinking is thus; IF $9.50 an hour is good then $12 or $15 or even $20 dollars an hour is even better. Better of the unskilled entry level worker but most of all better for the government by way of increased payroll taxes paid by both employee and employer. In the end it's all about how much they can glom on to and what schemes they can come up with to make it happen. Liberal politicians aren't as ignorant of how the economy works as we think they are; they are just as scheming, conniving and manipulating as corporate conservatives are; they just do it differently because their political ideology is different.

No they are much, much worse. Big companies pay wages, taxes and are philanthropic. Big greedy government, big greedy labour and big greedy NGO's take, take, take and give fuck all in return.

You are right they are much worse because they lie directly to your face and make false claims that they are looking out for those who can't look out for themselves. The greater good and fairness for all and all that horseshit. Fucking two bit con men and thieves is all they really are.

Big money lefties are the biggest hypocrits on the planet. They are the true enemies of working people. They along with the politicians they have bought have done more to make life more expensive and harsh for regular people than companies ever could think of doing.

[Renee]

Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

[Anonymous]

So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

I was just using that as a talking point. I know first hand you are right Renee. I had a minimum wage job at a Dairy Queen when I was 16. There were NO primary breadwinners working there other than the franchisee.

[Renee]

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

I was just using that as a talking point. I know first hand you are right Renee. I had a minimum wage job at a Dairy Queen when I was 16. There were NO primary breadwinners working there other than the franchisee.

I know what you are saying. I too worked for min. wage as a teenager; it was at a local bakery; Myself and two other girls got $3.35 an hour and all the day old brownies, cookies and cake we wanted . .



My wallet didn't get very fat but my ass got huge.

[Romero]

You've got to feel for McDonald's. Every time the misunderstood corporation tries to offer its low-wage employees a hand, it backfires. First the fast food giant was ridiculed this past summer for dispensing helpful budgetary advice to its struggling workers (get another job). Now the company is in hot water again after a recorded call to its McResource helpline, in which an employee who reported not being able to make ends meet was advised to sign up for food stamps and other government assistance programs, went viral online. Strangely though, the very people who ought to be most upset about this state of affairs – small government loving Republicans who don't want anyone relying on federal assistance for anything – have raised little or no objection.



It seems to me that when Republicans are so vocal about how much they hate government programs like food stamps and Medicaid and indeed anything that makes life a little more feasible for low-income or no-income Americans, they should surely be able to work up a small sweat at such a blatant example of the system being gamed. Just last month congressional Republicans voted unanimously to cut $39bn from the food stamp program, and I surely don't have to waste words here outlining their opposition to any form of government subsidized healthcare. Why then, when they have made their objection to welfare programs abundantly clear are they seemingly okay with hugely profitable corporations exploiting these programs while they underpay their workers?



McDonald's 2012 annual report was a glowing affair – in which the company enthusiastically announced a 3.1% growth in global sales, a 5% earnings per share growth, worldwide expansion plans and billions in profit. Does a company this healthy really need federally funded public assistance programs to stay in business?



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[Anonymous]

So am I!

You are the one NOT OL that is harping on and on and on about something nobody gives a shit about...restaurant wages in a foreign country.

Shen, they are not even "restaurant wages" they are burger flipper wages, shopping cart collector wages, dog walker and migrant lettuce picker wages. My oldest daughter who is a senior in HS this year works part time for a major big box store and even she makes more than the minimum wage. Romero is talking out of his ass as usual.  



Who the fuck is he kidding? It's a known fact from the US dept. of commerce that less than 4% of low income workers making minimum wage are actually primary breadwinners.

When I worked at a Canadian Tire store everyone except the mangers and auto service side were part time.

[Renee]

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Yep: corporations = Baaaaaaad. Redistribution of wealth even when it is unearned = Goooooood.



Fucking idiots.

[Romero]

Companies like McDonald's pay so little that their workers need billions in government assistance just to survive. As the cost of living goes up and wages stay low, many more will require government assistance.



Now there are nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps. Why? Because they don't make enough to even afford food.



That's redistribution of wealth. American taxpayers and the government are subsidizing the low wages of wealthy corporations.



It's a fact that a decent minimum wage is better for the economy and the people. Things are much better here in Canada because we have a decent minimum wage. The rest of the developed world is shaking its head over the millions of Americans forced to live in poverty.

[Renee]

Companies like McDonald's pay so little that their workers need billions in government assistance just to survive. As the cost of living goes up and wages stay low, many more will require government assistance.



Now there are nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps. Why? Because they don't make enough to even afford food.



That's redistribution of wealth. American taxpayers and the government are subsidizing the low wages of wealthy corporations.



It's a fact that a decent minimum wage is better for the economy and the people. Things are much better here in Canada because we have a decent minimum wage. The rest of the developed world is shaking its head over the millions of Americans forced to live in poverty.

Bullshit, McDonalds pays their workers what they are worth in accordance with what the market will bear. Get that thru your baby bird, government worm eating head. You are oh so dumb.  



Once again you are trying to be a clever troll but instead you are just making a fool out of yourself. What's the matter baby bird, got you ass handed to you in the Islamic Honor Killing thread and now you are back here looking for more of the same?



You know insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. Give it up, you lost this one pages ago.

[Anonymous]

Companies like McDonald's pay so little that their workers need billions in government assistance just to survive. As the cost of living goes up and wages stay low, many more will require government assistance.



Now there are nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps. Why? Because they don't make enough to even afford food.



That's redistribution of wealth. American taxpayers and the government are subsidizing the low wages of wealthy corporations.



It's a fact that a decent minimum wage is better for the economy and the people. Things are much better here in Canada because we have a decent minimum wage. The rest of the developed world is shaking its head over the millions of Americans forced to live in poverty.

Bullshit, McDonalds pays their workers what they are worth in accordance with what the market will bear. Get that thru your baby bird, government worm eating head. You are oh so dumb.  



Once again you are trying to be a clever troll but instead you are just making a fool out of yourself. What's the matter baby bird, got you ass handed to you in the Islamic Honor Killing thread and now you are back here looking for more of the same?



You know insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. Give it up, you lost this one pages ago.

Eggsackly Renee! Franchise owners invest a lot of money and work long hours. The kids that work for them have nothing invested and offer next to nothing in the way of skills. Why should the owner risk his business just so Romero wants kids to have more money in their jeans. He doesn't care, it's not his life savings invested in those golden arches.