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Started by Obvious Li, November 11, 2013, 06:36:05 AM

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for what it is (Eves) and for those who hate what it has become (me) this is a glimpse of what it was...sad to waste so much bravery and sacrifice. My great grandfather and his brother were both killed in this campaign.



Remembrance Day is a solemn occasion, the time to remember the losses and pain suffered by those who fought Canada's wars and those who waited for them at home. The commemorations of the centenary of the Great War of 1914-1918, beginning next year, will bring that terrible conflict to the public's attention in a way that will make battles like Ypres, the Somme, Vimy and Passchendaele familiar once more.

 

One great Canadian campaign, however, remains all but unknown. The Hundred Days, that short period running from Aug. 8, 1918, to the armistice on Nov. 11, saw the Canadian Corps score victory after victory against the toughest German defences on the Western Front. The Hundred Days was unquestionably the most decisive campaign ever fought by Canadian troops in battle, and if we remember the losses and pain on Remembrance Day, we should also remember the Canadian triumphs that dramatically shortened the First World War.



Lieutenant-General Sir Arthur Currie led the Canadian Corps' four divisions from June, 1917, to the end of the war. Lt.-Gen. Currie had been a militiaman in Victoria, and he proved himself in action as a brigade commander, as commander of the First Division and the Corps, and most definitely as one of the ablest battlefield tacticians of the war. He kept his divisions at full strength and indeed added additional infantry to his battalions, boosted the Corps' component of engineers and trucks and trained his troops hard. His Corps earned a reputation as shock troops after the victory at Vimy on Easter Monday, 1917, and whenever the Germans learned that the Canadians were in the lines, they feared the worst.



On Aug. 8, 1918, the Canadian Corps had secretly moved into position in front of the French city of Amiens. The German army had been on the offensive since March, and the Amiens sector was rather lightly defended. The Canadians, British and Australians struck this sector a surprise hammer blow in the early morning, a hurricane of artillery fire clearing the way for the tanks and infantry that blasted through the defences. Thousands of Germans surrendered, more were killed and within a few hours, the Canadian advance was almost 15 kilometres. This, wrote the German army's great strategist, General Erich Ludendorff, was "the black day" of the German Army.



Lt.-Gen. Currie's troops then moved north to the Arras area, where, at the end of the month, they struck toward and then through the Drocourt-Quéant Line, an immensely strong extension of the Hindenburg Line defended by crack troops. In heavy fighting at high cost, the Corps broke the line, forcing the Germans back behind the Canal du Nord, their last position protecting the key supply point of Cambrai.



The incomplete canal was wide and well-defended, but Lt.-Gen Currie daringly decided to attack across a short, dry portion, knowing that if his plan was discovered, the enemy guns might smash his troops as they formed up. But the Canadian deception plans worked, and the troops and artillery funnelled across the canal, greatly aided by the engineers' bridges. "Let me tell you," General Currie wrote, "that those bridges were begun not only under shell fire, but under machine gun fire, and yet nothing could deter the work of our men." The beaten enemy pulled back through Cambrai, their sappers leaving the city in flames for the Canadians to extinguish.



The Germans now were in full retreat, moving eastward as fast as they could go. The Canadians took Valenciennes, smashing the enemy defences with a massive artillery barrage, and then moved into Belgium. By Nov. 11, they were in Mons, the same small town where the men of the British Expeditionary Force had first faced the invading Germans in August, 1914.



The Canadian Corps, more than a hundred thousand strong, had fought its last battles. As Lt.-Gen. Currie noted proudly, it had beaten 47 German divisions since Aug. 8, a quarter of the German forces in the West. The Corps had accomplished this because of its great fighting spirit, its fine leadership at all levels and its effective reinforcement and logistics systems. The cost in lives and in wounded was terrible – 45,000 casualties, 20 per cent of the total of Canadian losses in the entire war – but for once, the campaign had achieved measurable gains on the ground. More than that, the Canadian shock troops had battered the enemy, forced them eastward and obliged them to seek an armistice that was a de facto capitulation. It had scored its greatest victory, the greatest battlefield triumph ever by Canadian troops.



We should always remember the death and destruction caused by war. But we should never forget the great deeds accomplished by Canada's soldiers. We must remember our losses each Nov. 11, but neither must we forget our victories.



Historian J.L. Granatstein's book The Greatest Victory: Canada's Hundred Days, 1918 will appear next year. He will be speaking at 5:00 this afternoon at the Munk School of Global Affairs, 1 Devonshire Place,

Anonymous

I would drastically reduce the size and scope of our Canadian military if I was empress of Canada. No more sending young men and women to Afghanistan, Somalia or any other place where birds wouldn't lay eggs. However, Canada indeed has a lot to be proud of on this day. We had a strong military.

Odinson


Anonymous

Quote from: "Obvious Li"for what it is (Eves) and for those who hate what it has become (me) this is a glimpse of what it was...sad to waste so much bravery and sacrifice. My great grandfather and his brother were both killed in this campaign.



Remembrance Day is a solemn occasion, the time to remember the losses and pain suffered by those who fought Canada's wars and those who waited for them at home. The commemorations of the centenary of the Great War of 1914-1918, beginning next year, will bring that terrible conflict to the public's attention in a way that will make battles like Ypres, the Somme, Vimy and Passchendaele familiar once more.

 

One great Canadian campaign, however, remains all but unknown. The Hundred Days, that short period running from Aug. 8, 1918, to the armistice on Nov. 11, saw the Canadian Corps score victory after victory against the toughest German defences on the Western Front. The Hundred Days was unquestionably the most decisive campaign ever fought by Canadian troops in battle, and if we remember the losses and pain on Remembrance Day, we should also remember the Canadian triumphs that dramatically shortened the First World War.



Lieutenant-General Sir Arthur Currie led the Canadian Corps' four divisions from June, 1917, to the end of the war. Lt.-Gen. Currie had been a militiaman in Victoria, and he proved himself in action as a brigade commander, as commander of the First Division and the Corps, and most definitely as one of the ablest battlefield tacticians of the war. He kept his divisions at full strength and indeed added additional infantry to his battalions, boosted the Corps' component of engineers and trucks and trained his troops hard. His Corps earned a reputation as shock troops after the victory at Vimy on Easter Monday, 1917, and whenever the Germans learned that the Canadians were in the lines, they feared the worst.



On Aug. 8, 1918, the Canadian Corps had secretly moved into position in front of the French city of Amiens. The German army had been on the offensive since March, and the Amiens sector was rather lightly defended. The Canadians, British and Australians struck this sector a surprise hammer blow in the early morning, a hurricane of artillery fire clearing the way for the tanks and infantry that blasted through the defences. Thousands of Germans surrendered, more were killed and within a few hours, the Canadian advance was almost 15 kilometres. This, wrote the German army's great strategist, General Erich Ludendorff, was "the black day" of the German Army.



Lt.-Gen. Currie's troops then moved north to the Arras area, where, at the end of the month, they struck toward and then through the Drocourt-Quéant Line, an immensely strong extension of the Hindenburg Line defended by crack troops. In heavy fighting at high cost, the Corps broke the line, forcing the Germans back behind the Canal du Nord, their last position protecting the key supply point of Cambrai.



The incomplete canal was wide and well-defended, but Lt.-Gen Currie daringly decided to attack across a short, dry portion, knowing that if his plan was discovered, the enemy guns might smash his troops as they formed up. But the Canadian deception plans worked, and the troops and artillery funnelled across the canal, greatly aided by the engineers' bridges. "Let me tell you," General Currie wrote, "that those bridges were begun not only under shell fire, but under machine gun fire, and yet nothing could deter the work of our men." The beaten enemy pulled back through Cambrai, their sappers leaving the city in flames for the Canadians to extinguish.



The Germans now were in full retreat, moving eastward as fast as they could go. The Canadians took Valenciennes, smashing the enemy defences with a massive artillery barrage, and then moved into Belgium. By Nov. 11, they were in Mons, the same small town where the men of the British Expeditionary Force had first faced the invading Germans in August, 1914.



The Canadian Corps, more than a hundred thousand strong, had fought its last battles. As Lt.-Gen. Currie noted proudly, it had beaten 47 German divisions since Aug. 8, a quarter of the German forces in the West. The Corps had accomplished this because of its great fighting spirit, its fine leadership at all levels and its effective reinforcement and logistics systems. The cost in lives and in wounded was terrible – 45,000 casualties, 20 per cent of the total of Canadian losses in the entire war – but for once, the campaign had achieved measurable gains on the ground. More than that, the Canadian shock troops had battered the enemy, forced them eastward and obliged them to seek an armistice that was a de facto capitulation. It had scored its greatest victory, the greatest battlefield triumph ever by Canadian troops.



We should always remember the death and destruction caused by war. But we should never forget the great deeds accomplished by Canada's soldiers. We must remember our losses each Nov. 11, but neither must we forget our victories.



Historian J.L. Granatstein's book The Greatest Victory: Canada's Hundred Days, 1918 will appear next year. He will be speaking at 5:00 this afternoon at the Munk School of Global Affairs, 1 Devonshire Place,

I bought our poppies this year Mr. Obvious Li as I try to do every year..



My reflections on this day are a different than some of you..



The second world war to me means Asia..



I had great uncles, great great uncles and a grandfather that were conscripted into the Japanese Imperial Army..



Remember, Taiwan was part of Japan from 1895-1945..



Some of them did not survive either..



The ones that did, seldom talked about their experiences..



I also think of my father and his involvement in the Taiwanese democracy movement when Taiwan was under the authoritarian leadership of Chiang Kai Shek..



He was only in his late teens and early twenties, but he was dedicated to the cause and suffered much physical and mental torment because of it.

Obvious Li

yes Fash...we sometimes forget just how many countries Japan occupied and how brutal they were as occupiers.........i read something interesting one time.....we always think of the Japs when we think about mistreatment of allied prisoners during the war..it turns out that the officers and some of the enlisted men were Japanese but the majority of the soldiers and guards at the camps that brutalized prisoners were forced conscripts from Korea, China etc, whose families were held hostage back home and were punished if the conscripts didn't show the proper "enthusiasm" for the job.....

Anonymous

Fash, I realize people in Taiwan had no choice in the Treaty of Simonoseki which handed Taiwan over to Japan. I also know that Taiwanese had little say in being drafted into Japan's military. However, the atrocities committed by the Empire of Japan on Chinese makes Nazi Germany look benevolent. The fact that our compatriots in Taiwan took part in it the slaughter of Chinese just adds deep insult to our injured soul.

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Anonymous

Quote from: "Obvious Li"yes Fash...we sometimes forget just how many countries Japan occupied and how brutal they were as occupiers.........i read something interesting one time.....we always think of the Japs when we think about mistreatment of allied prisoners during the war..it turns out that the officers and some of the enlisted men were Japanese but the majority of the soldiers and guards at the camps that brutalized prisoners were forced conscripts from Korea, China etc, whose families were held hostage back home and were punished if the conscripts didn't show the proper "enthusiasm" for the job.....

Former Taiwan "president" Lee Teng Hui was an officer in Japan's military. In fact, he was educated in Japan's military university system. He has appeared in pictures dressed in his former military uniform. Hey, why not just make an annual pilgrimage to Yasukuni Shrine?



He wonders why mainlanders find him so despicable. :roll:

Anonymous

Quote from: "Obvious Li"yes Fash...we sometimes forget just how many countries Japan occupied and how brutal they were as occupiers.........i read something interesting one time.....we always think of the Japs when we think about mistreatment of allied prisoners during the war..it turns out that the officers and some of the enlisted men were Japanese but the majority of the soldiers and guards at the camps that brutalized prisoners were forced conscripts from Korea, China etc, whose families were held hostage back home and were punished if the conscripts didn't show the proper "enthusiasm" for the job.....

I have relatives that served in Japan's armed forces during world war 2..



It pains me to think some of them may have known about let alone participated in war crimes..



Shen Li, I cannot change history..



Taiwan was part of Japan at the time and our young men were forced to serve in the Japanese military machine..



I understand how horrific the war in China was and that Japan committed unspeakable crimes against mainlanders..



I am in no way celebrating what Japan did, I am only mentioning my relatives were forced to sacrifice.