What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles

[Anonymous]

Looks like you've already beat me to it, this is already Finland were cold weather should help preserve the lithium-ion battery's life span by double, yet it died in 10 years, which points to the obvious issue, EVs have no resale value.

Cold weather extends ev battery life?



I know cold weather reduces the time between charges.

From batteryuniversity.com 's research, they say lithium-ion batteries left at 0 degrees Celsius temperature deteriorates at half the speed compared to at room temp / 25 degrees C.  Unless the sub zero temperature of Finland might have ruined the battery's chemical compound, this is something I'm not too familiar with.

By deteriorate you mean they need recharging sooner?

Exactly, simply charge or energy holding capacity has been downsized.

I thought they worked the same as regular car battery or even a flashlight battery..



They get worn down faster in extreme cold.

[Frood]

Lithium ion or LIPO4 batteries degrade if you discharge them in freezing temperatures and the btu's required to keep them warm would tax the rated capacity.

[Zetsu]

Out of all these years digging up info on batteries, this is the first time knowing this.  ac_drinks

[Anonymous]

Electric vehicles are an expensive(for taxpayers) toy for the most affluent.



Price Shock: Mercedes Hybrid Driver Stunned After Learning New Battery Costs More Than Value Of Car!

Leicester resident Ranjit Singh had bought the 8-year old hybrid car from a Mercedes-Benz dealership 4 years ago, paying some £27,000. At the time it had 80,000 km on it.



Four years later, last month, the pensioner took it in for repair work and was "horrified" after learning the replacement battery would come with the hefty price tag of £15,000  plus the hourly wage of £200! To make matters worse, the pensioner researched to check the vehicle's value: the Mercedes hybrid was only worth £12,850 according to Auto Trader .



Singh told LeicestershireLive: "I'm horrified by what has happened. I feel I now have just two options – scrap the eight-year-old car or spend more than it is worth."



Singh is not alone with this unpleasant experience. A search in Internet forums revealed many customers had the same problem. After 8 years the batteries are spent, and it makes little economic sense to replace them. When equipped with conventional fossil fuel engines, running a Mercedes 20 years is not uncommon. Hybrid and e-cars are no match at all when it comes to vehicle lifetime economy.



Subsidies for the wealthiest 20 per cent



Danish economist Björn Lomborg noted on Facebook e-cars are not cost-effective and are turning out to be second vehicles for the rich.



According to the UK's online Daily Mail here, citing a study by the U.S. National Bureau of Economic Research, "almost all electric car subsidies go to the wealthiest 20 per cent, for whom the purchase of an extra car is no great sacrifice. In addition, 90 per cent of electric car owners also have a fossil-fuel vehicle they use for longer journeys."



More dangerous



Another drawback: the journal Nature suggests electric cars "will likely kill more occupants of other vehicles in traffic accidents" because of their higher weight.

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[Odinson]

Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.



Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

[Anonymous]

Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.



Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

That I did not know.

[cc]

Electric car insurance payments are double the amount than that of a gas car.



Electric cars are in more accidents... The leftist sissies cant drive.

That I did not know.

Does make sense. Leftist sissies supposed males didn't get the "things mechanical" genes at birth

[Anonymous]

Look at this.

 

EV batteries could complicate recovery of burning cargo ship with thousands of cars

The ship contains thousands of Audis, Porsches, Lamborghinis, and Bentleys



A bunch of burning lithium-ion batteries could complicate the recovery of the massive, abandoned cargo ship in the Atlantic Ocean containing thousands of Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis.



The batteries of an unknown number of electric vehicles have caught fire aboard the ship, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas, which is the nearest port to the ship's location, told Reuters. It's unclear at this time whether the batteries are what sparked the fire. Experts in putting out battery fires will be needed to extinguish the blaze.



"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.



"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five meters above the water line," Reuters quotes Cabeças saying.



The Felicity Ace was heading from Germany to a port in Rhode Island when it issued distress signals Wednesday morning, reporting a fire in one of its cargo decks. All 22 crew members were successfully evacuated and did not need medical attention, according to a statement by the Portuguese Navy.



The owner of the vessel is now developing a plan to recover the abandoned ship. Towing boats are en route from Gibraltar and the Netherlands and are expected to arrive at the ship's location next week.

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[cc]

Oh, WOW!!



Huge environmental mess

[Anonymous]

Oh, WOW!!



Huge environmental mess

It's been posted before on this forum what serious fire hazard ev's are......this accident on the Atlantic is proof of that.

[cc]

Yes, have posted some myself on fire & unable to put out  .. as have others



Further:



"The fire spread further down," he said, explaining that teams could only tackle the fire from outside by cooling down the ship's structure as it was too dangerous to go on board.



They also cannot use water because adding weight to the ship could make it more unstable, and traditional water extinguishers do not stop lithium-ion batteries from burning, Cabeças said.



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Lithium +++ Pollution Personified

[Anonymous]

Yes, have posted some myself on fire & unable to put out  .. as have others



Further:



"The fire spread further down," he said, explaining that teams could only tackle the fire from outside by cooling down the ship's structure as it was too dangerous to go on board.



They also cannot use water because adding weight to the ship could make it more unstable, and traditional water extinguishers do not stop lithium-ion batteries from burning, Cabeças said.

Electric vehicle fires seem very difficult to extringuish.

[cc]

This ship may eventually go down and batteries keep burning. Even if it doesn't the deadly pollution is extreme



Electric Cars .. Saving the world from pollution  .... uh hu

[Anonymous]

I don't know anybody that owns an electric car. I would never own one as long as I live in Winnipeg.

[Bricktop]

A point well made, above.



If fossil fuels are bad for the environment, wait til the find out what the excess lithium will do.



"It is expected that lithium will be recycled from end-of-life lithium-ion batteries in the future[154] but as of 2020, batteries are not designed for recycling, the technology is not well developed, and recycling rates are 5% or lower.[155] In any case, the most valuable component is likely to remain the NCM cathode material, and the recovery of this material is expected to be the driver.[156]"