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What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles
Started by Anonymous, December 27, 2020, 02:10:27 PM
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In recent years, California has had a really hard time keeping the lights on as it is. There are apparently too many people and not enough infrastructure – and the infrastructure that does exist is outdated and overloaded.
To reinvent the wheel at this point in time in order to accommodate a massive influx of electric vehicles will be an incredible feat. You might even say it is a pipe dream that is unlikely to succeed.
California is going to try anyway, though. Various electric vehicle (EV) prototypes are being unveiled, including a hydrogen-powered vehicle that only emits water.
Brouwer says that in order for this to even have a chance at working, there will need to be more focus on not just battery-electric cars but also many other types of electric cars.
"If we try to move in this direction and only use battery electric vehicles, we will fail," he says.
"The grid cannot charge every single transportation application. We must invest in both battery-electric vehicles and fuel-cell electric vehicles."
His focus is on hydrogen-electric vehicles, which he says will not stress the grid that much even if half of all drivers in California buy one by the year 2035.
"Those people can fill up their cars at hydrogen stations, which are much like gas stations, and will hopefully become more available throughout the state in the coming years," reported CBS News.
Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.
I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.
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Canada has the same pledge to retrict new ICE vehicle sales after 2035. It is not even close to bein possible let alone sustainable.
I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.
I would be interested in getting a hybrid which could run off multiple energy sources. But i wouldnt get an all electric vehicle.
A car should allow you to choose your energy source on any given day for any road/weather conditions. So if you could choose gas one day, electricity for another & propane/natural gas for another that'd be ideal.
Just flick the switch. I saw 1 Mitsubishi model that could do that
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I read we would have to produce many times more electricity, but the sources of electricity they want, wind and solar, can't supply current needs let alone future needs if we go to electric cars.
I would be interested in getting a hybrid which could run off multiple energy sources. But i wouldnt get an all electric vehicle.
A car should allow you to choose your energy source on any given day for any road/weather conditions. So if you could choose gas one day, electricity for another & propane/natural gas for another that'd be ideal.
Just flick the switch. I saw 1 Mitsubishi model that could do that
Is one of those options unicorn farts? You would buy that with your pretend money broke old loser.
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Indeed, Oregon said it'll update its Advanced Clean Cars II law proposal to include a gas-powered vehicle ban in 2035.
And Washington said it would adopt a version of California's rule by year's end.
In Sep. 2021, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) signed Senate Bill S2758, which effectively banned gas-powered vehicle sales by implementing a "zero-emission" in-state sales goal of 100 percent by 2035.
New York will likely institute an outright ban soon.
Further, other states have so-called trigger laws that require them to adopt the same emission regulations as California's—even if they disagree with the requirements.
On Aug. 25, the California Air Resources Board voted to ban the sale of gas-powered cars entirely by 2035—a move impacting seventeen states that follow California's emission regulations.
New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, Oregon, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, Virginia, and New Mexico have all chosen to opt into California's standards instead of federal requirement.
Moreover, depending on the legalese of each state's regulations, if California implements a specific condition, then the state tied to California's standards must follow suit.
For example, under then-Gov. Ralph Northam (D), Virginia tied itself to California's emission standards when it passed House Bill 1965, which directed Virginia's State Air Pollution Control Board to "adopt and enforce" Section 177 of the Clean Air Act.
The Clean Air Act is a federal law requiring states to implement federal vehicle emissions standards or opt under Section 177 to follow California's more stringent requirements.
Massachusetts, Washington, and Vermont have similar laws tying them to California.
On Aug. 11, Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) signed House Bill 5060, which essentially dictated that if California passed a fossil-fuel vehicle ban, Massachusetts would follow suit.
In 2020, Washington passed Senate Bill 5811, which states, "The department of ecology shall adopt rules to implement the motor vehicle emission standards of the state of California including the zero emission vehicle program, and shall amend the rules from time to time, to maintain consistency with the California motor vehicle emission standards."
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In Chile's Salar de Atacama, locals watch helplessly as their ancestral lands wither and die, their precious water resources evaporating in briny salars.
In the Democratic Republic of Congo, hope for a better life dissolves as well-funded Ugandan-led extremist groups force children as young as 6 to work in cobalt mines.
Closer to home, Nevada's Fort McDermitt Tribe and local ranchers fight to protect a sacred burial site and agricultural lands set to be sacrificed by Lithium Nevada, a mining company, in the coming days.
Meanwhile, in California and other states, politicians such as Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) pat themselves on the back for their "aggressive" environmental stance and boast that their gas-powered vehicle bans are leading "the revolution towards our zero-emission transportation future."
The Hidden Costs
According to politicians like Newsom and President Joe Biden, electric vehicles (EV) are "zero-emission" because they use lithium-ion batteries—consisting of lithium, cobalt, graphite, and other materials—instead of gas.
Thus, starting in 2035, California will ban gas-powered vehicle sales, while several other states plan to follow suit, citing that as a goal and "critical milestone in our climate fight," on Twitter.
Additionally, according to a statement from Biden, banning gas-powered vehicles will "save consumers money, cut pollution, boost public health, advance environmental justice, and tackle the climate crisis."
John Hadder, director of the Great Basin Resource Watch, disagrees, pointing out to The Epoch Times that "industrial" nations might benefit from the transition to EVs, but it's at the expense of others.
"This expansion of [lithium] mining will have immediate consequences for front-line communities that are taking the 'hit.'"
For example, Copiapó, the capital of Chile's Atacama region, is the location of one of the world's largest known lithium reserves.
"We used to have a river before, that now doesn't exist. There isn't a drop of water," Elena Rivera Cardoso, president of the Indigenous Colla community of the Copiapó commune, told the National Resources Defense Council (NRDC).
She added that all of Chile's water is disappearing because of the local lithium mine.
"In all of Chile, there are rivers and lakes that have disappeared—all because a company has a lot more right to water than we do as human beings or citizens of Chile."
In collaboration with Cardosa's statement, the Institute for Energy Research reports that 65 percent of the area's limited water resources are consumed by mining activities.
That's displacing indigenous communities who have called Atacama home for more than 6,000 years, because farmers and ranchers have cracked, dry soil, and no choice but to abandon their ancestral settlements, according to the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD).
Experience of Congolese Miners
That's something the people of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) know from first-hand experience.
In its 2022 report, the U.S. Geological Survey reported that in 2021, more than 70 percent of the global cobalt production came from the DRC and that southern Congo sits atop an estimated 3.5 million metric tons—almost half—of the world's known supply.
It's also one of the world's poorest countries, according to the nonpartisan Wilson Center, and plagued by humanitarian crises, some of which are directly caused by mining.
In December 2021, researchers at Northwestern University conducted an environmental life cycle assessment on extracting raw materials needed for EVs and published their paper in One Earth's Journal.
They found cobalt mining was associated with increased violence, physical and mental health challenges, substance abuse, and food and water insecurity, among other issues. They further noted that community members lost communal land, farmland, and homes, which miners dug up to extract cobalt.
"You might think of mining as just digging something up," said Sera L. Young, an associate professor of anthropology at Northwestern University. "But they are not digging on vacant land. Homelands are dug up. People are literally digging holes in their living room floors. The repercussions of mining can touch almost every aspect of life."
That "every aspect of life" includes children. In the DRC, an estimated 40,000 children are working in the mines under slave labor conditions—some as young as 6. Initially, there was hope that DRC President Felix Tschisekedi would curb the abuses, but now those hopes are dwindling.
In her address before the U.S. Congress on July 14, Crisis and Conflict Director for Human Rights Watch Ida Sawyer stated that "child labor and other serious human rights abuses in the mining sector remain widespread, and these challenges only become harder to address amidst rampant corruption."
"The Allied Democratic Forces (ADF), a Ugandan-led armed Islamist group with ties to the Islamic State (ISIS) ... as well as their backers among the Congolese political and military elite, control lucrative mineral resources, land, and taxation rackets."
The Wilson Center reports that there are an estimated 255,000 Congolese miners laboring for cobalt, primarily using their hands.
"As global demand for Congolese mineral resources increases, so do the associated dangers that raise red flags for Congolese miners' human rights," it said.
And human rights violations aren't the only concern with cobalt mining. Wilson Center states: "The extraction of DRC mineral resources includes cutting down trees and building roads, negatively impacting the environment and biodiversity ... Cobalt mining operations generate incredibly high carbon dioxide and nitrogen dioxide emissions and substantial electricity consumption. These emissions contribute to the fact that Africa produces five percent of carbon dioxide emissions globally."
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Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said recently he is interested in such a policy after California mandated that only "zero-emission" cars be sold by the mid-2030s.
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Could the federal government impose a ban on new gas-powered cars?
Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg said recently he is interested in such a policy after California mandated that only "zero-emission" cars be sold by the mid-2030s.
Trudeau did and so will Biden.
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