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Started by cc, May 28, 2021, 11:17:02 PM

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Quote from: cc post_id=414825 time=1625080219 user_id=88
North of Cranbrook, beside the St. Mary River, with the soaring Rocky Mountains in the background, lies a little cemetery. Simple wooden crosses with peeling white paint, some fallen over, look lost amongst the tall untended grass and weeds. It's as though this graveyard and those buried here have been abandoned, forgotten.



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St. Eugene Resort and its Sad History



The St. Eugene Mission is the only residential school in Canada to be converted to a fashionable resort.



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About 200 metres away, across an immaculately mown green fairway, sits an elegant three-story red-brick building with ivy on the walls and a simple cross high on top: the St. Eugene Golf Resort & Casino. One couldn't imagine a greater contrast. The resort is attractive and distinctly upscale with an 18-hole championship golf course, a casino, a hotel with 125 rooms, meeting spaces, fine dining and well-stocked bars. The resort, which also includes a spa and first-class entertainment, is a sought-after destination for weddings and other high-end functions.

Probably not a single plaque anywhere on the resort mentioning that kids were killed on that site.

cc

Now a vandalized Catholic church in Calgary and not on native land



Red handprints (no doubt meaning blood on it's hands") + the number 751 (the number believed found in Cowessess land in Sask)
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=414928 time=1625172138 user_id=88
Now a vandalized Catholic church in Calgary and not on native land



Red handprints (no doubt meaning blood on it's hands") + the number 751 (the number believed found in Cowessess land in Sask)

I didn't hear about this one cc.

cc

Strange - I saw it on Gobal news ticker just now  including "751" painted on it - yet when I search I find search dominated by red hand prints on Calgary Ukrainian Catholic church in Calgary dated July 1





Now, using other that DuckDuck search engine I see reference to 751,  Ukrainian Catholic Church  "3 hours ago" for item date ??



"Number 751 was spray painted throughout the main sign. This is the same number as the unmarked tomb found on June 25 at the site of a former residential school in Kauses First Nations, Saskatchewan"



 :confused1: unless it was hit twice ??



https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukrainian-catholic-church-targeted-with-red-paint-for-overnight-vandalism-calgary/212263/">https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukra ... ry/212263/">https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukrainian-catholic-church-targeted-with-red-paint-for-overnight-vandalism-calgary/212263/



Will check again later



It's a shame as the Ukrainian Catholic church has nothing to do with this while tragedy I would think
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

Now Global TV is now showing 3 Calgary Catholic churches hit / vandalized  last night
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=414939 time=1625173770 user_id=88
Strange - I saw it on Gobal news ticker just now  including "751" painted on it - yet when I search I find search dominated by red hand prints on Calgary Ukrainian Catholic church in Calgary dated July 1





Now, using other that DuckDuck search engine I see reference to 751,  Ukrainian Catholic Church  "3 hours ago" for item date ??



"Number 751 was spray painted throughout the main sign. This is the same number as the unmarked tomb found on June 25 at the site of a former residential school in Kauses First Nations, Saskatchewan"



 :confused1: unless it was hit twice ??



https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukrainian-catholic-church-targeted-with-red-paint-for-overnight-vandalism-calgary/212263/">https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukra ... ry/212263/">https://eminetracanada.com/calgary-ukrainian-catholic-church-targeted-with-red-paint-for-overnight-vandalism-calgary/212263/



Will check again later



It's a shame as the Ukrainian Catholic church has nothing to do with this while tragedy I would think

I had the day off today and I didn't watch any news.

Anonymous

It wasn't only Aboriginal-Canadians who were abused while institutionalized. This happened at an institution for people with developmental disabilities up in Orillia, Ontario.



Residential school discoveries strike a chord with HRC survivors




When we heard about the children buried in unmarked graves at the Kamloops Residential School, we were very sad but not surprised. We have always believed survivors. The tragic truth is that many more bodies will be found at residential schools and other places of incarceration across Canada. We wanted to tell you how sorry we are but we also hope we might share experiences and work together.



We are survivors, too — forced into government-run institutions not because of our race, but because we were judged as inferior, labelled with developmental disabilities. Some had significant disabilities and others had none at all, but were misunderstood because we were born into poverty or broken homes. Admitted as children — even as babies — we were expected to spend the rest of our lives in institutions, where some died quite quickly and others suffered for years.



Instead of going to residential schools, some Indigenous children were sent to these provincial institutions, where they were often denied access to schooling, put to work immediately and treated especially badly. Indigenous institution survivors often lost connection to their communities.



Institution survivors tell about neglect, threats, punishments and abuse that sound very similar to what Indigenous students experienced in residential schools. Children and adults were forced to provide slave labour that saved the government money. All were traumatized by removal from their families and society. Like First Nations people we had to have a class-action lawsuit against the government to achieve a very small measure of recognition.



Hearing about unmarked graves of Indigenous children, we think the name of our group reflects a goal we share — to "Remember Every Name." We gather regularly at the cemetery of the first and largest institution in Canada — Huronia Regional Centre (HRC) located in Orillia, Ont. — to listen to the stories of survivors, to honour the babies, children and adults who died and to comfort each other with rituals, songs and solidarity. We commissioned an artist to create a beautiful memorial monument, which is pictured at https://www.remembereveryname.ca">https://www.remembereveryname.ca, where you can find out more about us.



We acknowledge that the HRC Cemetery is on the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe Peoples and we wish to recognize and respect the long history of First Nations and Métis Peoples in Ontario. From 1903 to 2015, archeologists have reported finding evidence of previous Indigenous villages and cemeteries on the institution grounds.



Our class action required the Ontario government to maintain HRC's overgrown and neglected cemetery. Although institution staff had already built a monument that says there were "more than 2,000 people ... whose life journey ended here," and although their own 2015 archeology report said the number of burials was unknown, the Ontario government now contradicts itself and says only 1,379 people were buried. Most graves are unmarked; some are marked with numbered stones and only the most recent have proper markers with names and years of birth and death. The government has not acknowledged that its staff removed hundreds of grave markers, turned them over to hide the numbers and used them as paving stones. When some were found, staff did not return them to their proper places. The government has also denied that they disturbed many graves by digging a sewage pipe through rows of burials to establish a septic system in the cemetery. People who know what happened have kept silent.





We hope we can assist you by sharing our experience with ground penetrating radar (GPR), in which we were assisted by Jerry Melbye, PhD, a distinguished North American forensic anthropologist. The government surveyed the whole HRC Cemetery but would not release to the survivors GPR images of the sewer pipe and surrounding burials. The Ontario government refused Dr. Melbye's pro bono offer to investigate. Further searches beyond the cemetery are needed because survivors have always said that people were buried elsewhere on the grounds. Investigations should be done at 18 similar Ontario institutions and at others like them across Canada.



Our experience reinforces why First Nations must retain absolute control over burial investigations and reparations at residential schools. We have seen how government hid the truth and excluded survivors from access to information and participation in decisions.



Please connect with us so that we can learn from each other's experiences. We are reaching out in solidarity, to reveal the truth and Remember Every Name.



Sincerely,



Huronia Regional Centre survivors:



Betty Bond



Antoinette Charlebois



Harold Dougall



Beverley Link



Brian Logie



Cindy Scott



Marie Slark



Carrieanne Tompkins



Remember Every Name allies:



Jim and Marilyn Dolmage



Debbie Vernon



Mitchell Wilson

https://www.orilliamatters.com/letters-to-the-editor/letter-residential-school-discoveries-strike-a-chord-with-hrc-survivors-3926736">https://www.orilliamatters.com/letters- ... rs-3926736">https://www.orilliamatters.com/letters-to-the-editor/letter-residential-school-discoveries-strike-a-chord-with-hrc-survivors-3926736

cc

I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=415070 time=1625341089 user_id=88
Seems that one ^^ cannot be blamed on churches

Nope, it is all on the government of Ontario.



The buildings are still there. I drive by it when I go golfing at Couchiching golf course up in Orillia. It is now the training headquarters for the OPP.

Anonymous

There is also the case of the Ideal Maternity Home in Nova Scotia for the children of unwed mothers ran by the Seventh Day Adventist Church..



It is estimated that between four and six hundred babies died at the home, while at least another thousand survived and were adopted..



Even these lucky survivors often suffered from ailments caused by the unsanitary conditions and lack of care at the home.

Anonymous

There is also the Duplesis Orphans in Quebec.  Approximately 20,000 kids were wrongly certified as mentally ill by the provincial government of Quebec and confined to psychiatric institutions in the 1940s and 1950s. The children were deliberately miscertified in order to misappropriate additional subsidies from the federal government.



There is an abandoned cemetery in the East end of Montreal which is believed to have held the remains of orphans who may have been the subject of human experimentation. According to testimony by individuals who were at the Cité de St-Jean-de-Dieu insane asylum, the orphans in the asylum's care were routinely used as non-consensual experimental subjects, and many died as a consequence.



Across Canada, ophanages were not pleasant places for kids to grow up. Much like residential schools, caring for kids was in short supply.

Anonymous

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=415078 time=1625346890 user_id=114
There is also the Duplesis Orphans in Quebec.  Approximately 20,000 kids were wrongly certified as mentally ill by the provincial government of Quebec and confined to psychiatric institutions in the 1940s and 1950s. The children were deliberately miscertified in order to misappropriate additional subsidies from the federal government.



There is an abandoned cemetery in the East end of Montreal which is believed to have held the remains of orphans who may have been the subject of human experimentation. According to testimony by individuals who were at the Cité de St-Jean-de-Dieu insane asylum, the orphans in the asylum's care were routinely used as non-consensual experimental subjects, and many died as a consequence.



Across Canada, ophanages were not pleasant places for kids to grow up. Much like residential schools, caring for kids was in short supply.

The Duplesis orphans. Those places were Dr Josef Mengele's experiments combined with residential schools.

Anonymous

Cowessess First Nation will retake jurisdiction of child welfare, according to Chief Cadmus Delorme. Cowessess has not had decision-making power over children in care since it was stripped of it in 1951, according to a letter distributed by Delorme on Monday.

cc

I think a good move and the way it always should have been



As I mentioned before, Cowessess run a good ship - we were impressed in working with them onsite & in Council Meetings for a large 6 months project



Further, our contract called for local labour - Running under my mate and his longtime job Supt. with a crew of 5-8 locals, project was efficient and turned out great .. and on time



Also, they paid as promised. Never missed a beat
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=415257 time=1625623452 user_id=88
I think a good move and the way it always should have been



As I mentioned before, Cowessess run a good ship - we were impressed in working with them onsite & in Council Meetings for a large 6 months project



Further, our contract called for local labour - Running under my mate and his longtime job Supt. , project was efficient and turned out great .. and on time

We have to hire local labour when we work on reservations. Aint a problem most times.