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[Biggie Smiles]

For those times when our fairer friends across the pond dare to wear short shorts

and Muhammad approves !

[Herman]

I'm not taking sides here but I read your post after it was quoted by Aryan

I never even heard of AIPAC until I read your post but I figured "now here's a debate between two members and one is obviously wrong about whether or not this is a strong and influencial group, and it will be easy to figure out which".

A quick search turns out that that would be Herman

The more time I spend here the more I get the feeling that few if any of the regulars have any clue whatsoever about what they're talking about.

I only posted who the top ten lobbyists in Washington are. AIPAC did not make the top ten. Even I was surprised by that.

Are you saying my link is wrong?

[Herman]

This seems fishy. Where are the US defense controctor lobbyists on that list?

Did you know Chinese military companies have spent $8 million lobbying congress so far this year?

No, I did not know that.

Like I told wizer, I posted the top ten lobbyists. Even I was surprised by it.

If you two have dispute my link show me where it is was wrong.

[Herman]

I looked at another link about the biggest lobbyists in Washington by dollars spent and it aint much different from my original link. Maybe AIPAC is just getting better value for their money.

If you got different numbers offer them up.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-influential-is-aipac
And so, in case you still believe, like Omar, that it's all about the Benjamins, here are some entities whose lobbying budgets far, far surpass that of AIPAC (all figures come from the Center for Responsive Politics' lobbying database):

The Top Ten:

US Chamber of Commerce: $94,800,000

National Association of Realtors: $72,808,648

Open Society Policy Center: $31,520,000

Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America: $27,989,250

American Hospital Association: $23,927,842

Business Roundtable: $23,160,000

Alphabet Inc.: $21,740,000

American Medical Association: $20,417,000

Blue Cross / Blue Shield: $18,754,221

AT&T Inc.: $15,820,000



Other Key Names in the Top 50 who have outpspent AIPAC last year:

Boeing Co.: $15,120,000

Comcast Corp.: $15,072,000

Amazon.Com: $14,400,000

Facebook Inc.: $12,620,000

Pfizer Inc.: $11,360,000

Exxon Mobil: $11,150,000

FedEx Corp: $10,170,000

National Amusements Inc.: $8,058,290

Anheuser-Busch InBev: $8,050,000

Toyota Motor Corp.: $7,150,453

Philip Morris International: $6,230,000

Recording Industry Association of America: $5,642,155

Association of International CPAs: $5,200,000

Entertainment Software Association: $5,020,000

All pro-Israel lobbying groups combined: $5,022,028

AIPAC alone: $3,518,028

[Shen Li]

Herm, I found this.

Based on the most recent full-year data from 2024, the aerospace and defense sector spent approximately $122.5 million on federal lobbying. This figure captures the spending from the top contractors as well as a host of smaller firms, all vying for a piece of the massive Pentagon budget.

It's important to understand that this is a predictable annual investment. It's not a one-off expense but a recurring operational cost, much like research and development. This sustained financial pressure ensures that the industry's perspective is a constant presence in the halls of power.

Industry Sector   Approximate 2024 Lobbying Spend   Primary Focus
Pharmaceuticals / Health Products

$380 Million   Drug pricing, patent laws, FDA regulations
Electronics / Tech Manufacturing   $215 Million

Data privacy, antitrust, trade policy
Insurance   $160 Million   Healthcare reform, financial regulations

Aerospace & Defense   $122.5 Million   Defense budget, procurement, foreign arms sales

Oil & Gas   $118 Million   Environmental regulations, drilling permits, tax policy

https://eathealthy365.com/the-price-of-influence-weapons-firms-pentagon-lobbying/

[wizer]

I only posted who the top ten lobbyists in Washington are. AIPAC did not make the top ten. Even I was surprised by that.

Are you saying my link is wrong?

I'm saying that AIPAC is a strong lobbying group and the fact that they aren't in the top 10 list is irrelevant for the purpose of our discussion. Like I said I don't even know what AIPAC is except for a paragraph I read yesterday I'm just arguing with you for the sake of arguing with you.

[Shen Li]

I'm saying that AIPAC is a strong lobbying group and the fact that they aren't in the top 10 list is irrelevant for the purpose of our discussion. Like I said I don't even know what AIPAC is except for a paragraph I read yesterday I'm just arguing with you for the sake of arguing with you.

Herm said he was surprised they were not higher on the list. Just as I am shocked that defense contractors were not on his link.

[Biggie Smiles]

Leaked footage of Aryan Urinal returning to bastard factory for re-assimilation

[Aryan]

So in your world you being a BF public urinal resulted in my butthurt and this was all your carefully crafted troll?

lolz...

I can see now why it is that you believe  that is the little green men with yamakas that live under your bed making your tummy hert at night while at the same time being totally incapable of understanding how the muslim with his dick 8" deep into your asshole might be the root cause of your discomfort

Sounds to me like you're still walking with a limp after BF fisted your sissyhole all those years ago.

Time to let go and move on lil dude, I know you enjoyed it, but from what I gather it was a one time thing and you've both gone your separate ways.

[Aryan]

look, man.... you're just gonna have to accept the fact that ppl like and dislike things and/or ppl....  and how you feel makes them no difference.... thats just how it is.... they have been very receptive to my views regarding israel and aipac.... take it as a win and leave it be.... i doubt that you will ever convince them to "fire up the ol' ovens again".... if anything, you may lose any ground thats been gained....

I upset the dwarf by exposing him as a hypocrite, he's only used to people agreeing with him on here, so now we're witnessing the subsequent temper tantrum and tear fest.

You've seen him ignore my posts about Culture of Critique and the 109 expulsions, he refuses to listen, it makes no difference whether the information is correct or not.

[DKG]

I upset the dwarf by exposing him as a hypocrite, he's only used to people agreeing with him on here, so now we're witnessing the subsequent temper tantrum and tear fest.

You've seen him ignore my posts about Culture of Critique and the 109 expulsions, he refuses to listen, it makes no difference whether the information is correct or not.

Are you still sulking over Biggie because he pointed out your lack of self esteem. Be a man and get over it. Your endless supply of tears are taking up too much of our bandwidth.

[DKG]

Leaked footage of Aryan Urinal returning to bastard factory for re-assimilation

This would not get to a normal man, but it does our one and only Aryan.

[wizer]

Your endless supply of tears are taking up too much of our bandwidth.

The forum lags because of either poor coding or the ShoutBox, or both.

Nothing to do with one particular poster.

[DKG]

i think the 2020 election was enough of a shocker to determine that we NEED "secure elections".... 

Precisely. Voter ID is not racist either.

[DKG]

I want you to watch this video starting at about the 5:58 mark. for about 2 minutes you will witness an interaction between a New York City voter and some unknown representative at a polling station.

in a nutshell the voter is attempting to provide his photo ID and the rep is insisting she cannot see it. He is naturally making a very logical inquiry -- ie: how do you know it's me.

to which the rep says "by comparing your signature"

now putting aside the facts that signatures can easily be spoofed -- even to passing muster on a computer system designed to interpret the OCR --  any logical person has to ask themselves, how did these people obtain a copy of what can be reasonably considered an ""authentic"" signature of this person to begin with. And so we are forced to drive down that rabbit hole in an effort to reverse engineer that process to ensure it's validity as well. So now you fall into a perpetual what came first the chicken or egg effect as to pertains to discovering the truth. Was the voting card that was mailed to his house maybe months, weeks or years ago deliberately left with next to no controls so that anyone could sign their name to the ballot and therefore show up at the ballot box naturally having the same signature, does the deception go deeper than that, is that machine even doing an OCR pattern match? etc etc.

in such a circumstance, with so many possible twists and turns you can easily see where a burden such as "beyond reasonable doubt" could be extremely difficult, if not impossible to reach.



Now consider a entity with means and motive to obfuscate the end result ie verification by erecting a few circumstances that require such a trip through this myriad of rabbit holes and what do you have? A zig zagging maze of obstacles designed exclusively to obfuscate the truth. Much like you would expect to see in any competent money laundering scheme

Thus, with such knowledge in hand it is reasonable to conclude that you may never find any proof of voter fraud as the end to end scenario which may provide evidence of the same has been deliberately scrambled, obfuscated, transposed and made difficult to extrapolate. Again, exactly what you would expect to see in a competant money laundering scheme -- principles are the same, only the data and end objectives are different.

So now the question becomes ""why"" -- why would the process in this day and age be so intentionally convoluted if not for the intent to deceive? 

Then there is legitimate cause to investigate.