The Evil That Is Islam

[RW]

I don't think Fash is really a Xtian "fundy".

[Gary Oak]

Islam can't help but be evil



http://www.wnd.com/">http://www.wnd.com/



Some military analysts and human rights groups say that the Syrian civil war may soon be over – but that reassurance isn't enough to prevent the country's Christians from fleeing from the violence.



Dutch journalist and human rights analyst Martin Janssen reports from Jordan that Christians are fleeing Syria in record numbers. Janssen says the Christian refugees first fled because of an ultimatum.



"An exodus of Christians is taking place in Western Syria," Janssen said. "The Christian population has fled the city of Qusayr, near Homs, following an ultimatum issued by the military chief of the armed opposition, Abdel Salam Harba.



"This is what local sources told Vatican news agency Fides, pointing out that since the conflict broke out, only a thousand of the city's 10,000 faithful, were left, and they are now being forced to flee immediately," Janssen said.



Janssen says the city's mosques have reissued the ultimatum for the Christians to leave.



"Some of the city's mosques have issued the message again, announcing from the minarets: 'Christians must leave Qusayr within six days, ending Friday,'" Janssen said.



Open Doors USA spokesman Jerry Dykstra confirms the Christians' desire to flee the violence but says there are few places to which they can go.



"Although Christians in Syria and leaders do not desire or want to leave, yet the question still prevails, 'What is the free world doing to prepare for that exodus?' a Christian from Syria asks," Dykstra said.



"Who is going to welcome the Syrian Christians?" Dykstra asked. "One Syrian source says that the churches in Syria know very well what happened to the Iraqi Christians.



"They were in many countries not really welcome, so we are afraid that the same will happen to Syrian refugees, and that would be a disaster,'" Dykstra said, quoting the Syrian source.



Dykstra says the pressure to flee comes in many forms.



"Protests, assaults, bombings, thefts [and] kidnappings are all part of daily life in Syria," Dykstra said. "The almost 10 percent Christians of the Syrian population fear for the future, many are already thinking of leaving the country.



"Christians in Syria wonder what will happen with their daily life, when a new government will come to power," Dystra continued. "This uncertain and unknown future might lead to an exodus of Christians from Syria (like what happened to Iraqi Christians), and that is what Syrian Church leaders do expect."



Dykstra compares the Syrian Christians' plight to the Iraqi Christians who fled Iraq after Saddam Hussein was overthrown.



"In Iraq hundreds of thousands Christians left that country due to all the violence targeting them. But where will a Syrian exodus lead to? Which country will welcome hundreds of thousands Christian refugees in a period where borders seem to become more and more closed borders?" Dykstra asked.



Terrorism and foreign policy think tank Gerard Direct stated in a report recently released that the battle for Syria's second largest city could determine whether Assad's regime stands.



"The battle for Syria's second city, Aleppo, is a crucial fight that could determine the direction of the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad," the report said.



Reports coming from Aleppo say the rebels survived an offensive by the Syrian army.



Janssen believes the fight for Aleppo is key in Assad proving that his government can stand. Janssen adds that Assad's problems are being compounded by large numbers of fighters coming from outside Syria.



"At this moment the biggest problems are in Aleppo. I heard that more than 5,000 rebels entered the area across the Turkish border," Janssen said.



Janssen also says ethnic Kurds are entering the fight: "It seems that the Kurdish Democratic Union party (the Syrian branch of the PKK) controls great swaths of land in Syrian Kurdistan. They are at the same time fighting with the Syrian Army and the Free Syrian Army."



"There is some talk about the presence of Peshmerga fighters from Iraqi Kurdistan," Janssen said.



Janssen adds the outside support signals that the rebellion has become a "holy war."



"Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia invented the idea of in indirect military intervention in Syria and the West followed and approved. Money and weapons poured from across the borders into Syria and with them thousands of foreign fighters," Janssen said. "This last development changed the nature of the Syrian crisis profoundly. The crisis became a full-blown, internationally-sponsored, civil war.



"These foreign fighters consider themselves to be holy war warriors, jihadists fighting against an atheist regime. They are not interested in democracy and human rights for minorities. It paved the way for a dangerous and growing presence of al-Qaida inside Syria," Janssen said.



Christian human rights group Open Doors USA confirms Janssen's conclusion, saying that al-Qaeda has joined the fight.



"According to Reuters News, the rebels include the Free Syrian Army, al-Qaeda-style jihadists, the Muslim Brotherhood and local pro-democracy Sunni liberals," the Open Doors report said.



The Open Doors report also says that while Assad is unpopular, Christians aren't supporting Assad's overthrow.



"While the defeat of Assad and the military would be welcome news to most, the sizeable Christian community of over 1.5 million is fearful for its future," the Open Doors report said.



"Under Assad, Christians enjoyed a measure of freedom to worship in Syria, which is 90 percent Muslim. In fact, Christians were granted a degree of religious freedom not seen in most other Middle Eastern countries – before and after Arab Spring," the Open Doors report also said.



"If Assad falls, Christians in Syria are fearful of what will happen when a new government – probably a radical Islamic one – will come into power," says Open Doors USA President and CEO Dr. Carl Moeller," the report said.



"Will their freedom to worship end? Will persecution increase? Will they have to flee Syria with their families as have thousands of believers in Iraq?" the report asked, quoting Moeller.



Reports of an end to Assad's regime, however, may be premature. Janssen reports from Jordan that Assad still controls Damascus.



"Currently the situation in Damascus seems to be under the control of the Syrian army despite some fighting in certain neighborhoods," Janssen said.

[Anonymous]

I don't think Fash is really a Xtian "fundy".

She says she believes in a literal and not an allegorical interpretation of the bible.

[RW]

You still said the magic word - interpretation but let's ask....



Fash, do you believe adulterers should be killed?

[RW]

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you.  Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods.  If you do, they will trap you.  Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?'  But don't be afraid of them!  Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt.  Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them.  You saw it all with your own eyes!  And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt.  The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear.  And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you!  "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God.  The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little.  You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you.  But the LORD your God will hand them over to you.  He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed.  He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all.   (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)



When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you.  When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them.  Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy.  Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters.  They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods.  Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you.   (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)



You were saying Shen....

[Renee]

Fundamentalism is not restricted to Islam.  



The problem with religious texts in general a) lack of context  b) issues within translation  c) broad room for interpretation  d) lack of application/relevance in today's day and age.

The administrator of this forum is a xtian fundy. Yet in all the years I have known her and from meeting her like-minded friends none of them talked about jihad in Jesus name. Must be a problem with Islam literature itself.

Actually it is a problem that ignorance and intolerance breeds. The average Muslim that believes in the literal translation of the Quran probably has trouble counting to 20 without taking off their shoes. Only those at the top of the fundamentalist food chain are remotely educated. Furthermore I firmly believe that those at the top are not religious fundies but rather they are self-serving violent political radicals lusting for power and achieving it by any means possible. The religious fundamentalism that they ram down the throats of their ignorant unwashed followers is simply a means to an end.

These poor dumb slobs and worst of all the children who blow themselves up and kill hundreds of people are ignorant dupes. For the most part they live in squalor and poverty and their lives are so fucking shitty that an escape thru martyrdom is about the only ray of hope that they can grasp onto. If I lived in one of those third world Muslim hell holes I'd probably try to blow myself up and take you and whoever else with me as well.  



I'm not making excuses here because in today's day and age there should be no excuse for violence in the name of religion. I'm just trying to make sense of what drives a person to such extreme violence. Is it desperation and ignorance, a wrongheaded belief in a promise of something better or is it just plain insanity?



I'm not ready to blame it solely on a single ideology or some dusty old writing in an archaic book of fables. That's only part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you.  Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods.  If you do, they will trap you.  Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?'  But don't be afraid of them!  Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt.  Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them.  You saw it all with your own eyes!  And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt.  The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear.  And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you!  "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God.  The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little.  You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you.  But the LORD your God will hand them over to you.  He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed.  He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all.   (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)



When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you.  When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them.  Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy.  Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters.  They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods.  Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you.   (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)



You were saying Shen....

Glad you mentioned those verses Real Woman. No doubt this was not the best of times for Shimei, Ishbosheth, Sheba or Ahab, but they obviously aren't around anymore to complain.  Same with the tribes mentioned in the passage from Deuteronomy.  This is history, of course, not some open-ended instruction like:

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are ruthless to the Unbelievers, but merciful to each other." (Quran 48:29)

[RW]

Do you know what bothers me in all of this?  Genocide. It seems Muslims have been on the receiving end of some pretty significant attacks over the years:



US War on Terror

2003 and on - Various counts exist for civilian Muslim casualties in this war on terror ranging from 10s to 100s of thousands.



Bosnia

1995 - 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys, as well as the mass expulsion of another 25,000–30,000 Bosnian Muslim civilians, in and around the town of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina.



Cambodia

1970s - The Cham Muslims suffered serious purges with as much as half of their population exterminated by communists in Cambodia.



Imperial Japan

1942 - Imperial Japanese forces slaughtered, raped, and tortured Rohingya Muslims in a massacre in 1942 and expelled tens of thousands of Rohingya into Bengal in British India. The Japanese committed countless acts of rape, murder and torture against thousands of Rohingyas.



Tatarstan

1921 - The famine deaths of 2 million Muslim Tatars in Tatar ASSR and in Volga-Ural region was catastrophic as half of Volga Tatar population in USSR died in what as known as "terror-famine" and "famine-genocide" in Tatarstan.



On and on...

[RW]

Glad you mentioned those verses Renee. No doubt this was not the best of times for Shimei, Ishbosheth, Sheba or Ahab, but they obviously aren't around anymore to complain.  Same with the tribes mentioned in the passage from Deuteronomy.  This is history, of course, not some open-ended instruction like:

"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are ruthless to the Unbelievers, but merciful to each other." (Quran 48:29)

I'm not  Renee, but it sounds pretty open ended to me there Shen.

[Obvious Li]

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you.  Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods.  If you do, they will trap you.  Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?'  But don't be afraid of them!  Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt.  Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them.  You saw it all with your own eyes!  And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt.  The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear.  And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you!  "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God.  The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little.  You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you.  But the LORD your God will hand them over to you.  He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed.  He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all.   (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)



When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you.  When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them.  Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy.  Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters.  They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods.  Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you.   (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)



You were saying Shen....

remember RW...when you are quoting the Old Testament you are talking about Jews not Christians....there were no christians during these times.......also ask yourself this...these commands are from God directly to the leaders of his chosen people (the Jews)...if they had listened to him and followed his directives, as quoted above, where do you think they would be today....certainly a hell of a lot better off than the 6 million people crammed into the current day boundaries of Israel....so perhaps the problem is not the directive but their refusal to follow it

[Anonymous]

^^Yep, ethnic cleansing along with imperialism/communism are terrible RW. The Quran is a book that commands such terrible actions.

[RW]

remember RW...when you are quoting the Old Testament you are talking about Jews not Christians....there were no christians during these times.......also ask yourself this...these commands are from God directly to the leaders of his chosen people (the Jews)...if they had listened to him and followed his directives, as quoted above, where do you think they would be today....certainly a hell of a lot better off than the 6 million people crammed into the current day boundaries of Israel....so perhaps the problem is not the directive but their refusal to follow it

I'm talking about people who follow the bible OL and that includes modern day Christians.  You hear them cite the OT all the time when it comes to hating gays or killing abortion doctors.  You can't say, "That's a Jewish text so it doesn't count".  If that was the case, Xtians would stick solely with the NT.

[RW]

So Shen, is that why so many Muslims have been on the receiving end of religious cleansing?

[Anonymous]

So Shen, is that why so many Muslims have been on the receiving end of religious cleansing?

Muslims are the biggest victims of the Quran's commands of violence.

[RW]

Oh I don't know about that...