BC Natives Win Supreme Court Decision

[Gary Oak]

All this means is big oil will have to pay more cash to the reserve. That money will then be squandered by the chief on new Cadillacs and booze. Some money will go to new F-150's and booze and then a chunk will go to a new pow wow centre for preserving their way of life but all the fixtures will be stolen out of it within two years and no one will use it so kids will smash the windows until someone burns it down. Then the tribe will bitch that they were unfairly treated by big oil and the white man and they need to put a stop to the next industrial development to save their land and protect their way of life. 8-)  :x  

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[Obvious Li]

All this means is big oil will have to pay more cash to the reserve. That money will then be squandered by the chief on new Cadillacs and booze. Some money will go to new F-150's and booze and then a chunk will go to a new pow wow centre for preserving their way of life but all the fixtures will be stolen out of it within two years and no one will use it so kids will smash the windows until someone burns it down. Then the tribe will bitch that they were unfairly treated by big oil and the white man and they need to put a stop to the next industrial development to save their land and protect their way of life. 8-)  :x  

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yep ....that pretty much sums it up....you forgot the part where we will have to increase funding to cover more substance abuse, medical etc.....same shit different pile.....when oh when will people finally wake up and say...ENOUGH OF THIS FUCKING INSANITY

[Romero]

The dispute over the Tsilhqot'in land began in 1983 when British Columbia granted Carrier Lumber Ltd a license to cut trees in part of the territory at issue.

Can't develop resources on First Nation territory without permission and compensation.



First Nations want these land claims settled. Government needs to stop dragging its feet and trying to nickel n' dime First Nations. Too much money has been spent foot dragging and too much lost due to economic uncertainty.

[Obvious Li]

will someone please intelligently answer this question......If BC natives say they never signed a treaty with canada, (insist on it to the point of going to court, receive a court decision siding with their claim)....WHY OH WHY ARE WE PAYING MONEY TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE ALIVE AND SUPPORT THEIR BAD HABITS IF THEY ARE NOT A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. WTF is up with that.........Hmmmmmmm............... :ugeek:

[Romero]

First Nations have signed many treaties, many of which have been constantly broken. But most land claims haven't been settled because our governments have been holding off and trying to give them as little of their territory as possible.

[Obvious Li]

Homy...i said intelligently answer the question.....you posted bafflegab unrelated to the issue at hand.....why are we paying money to support people who openly admit they are not canadian and don't wish to be canadian.....why ????...we are not using their lands or resources in most cases...so why are we paying ?????

[Romero]

Not many First Nations believe they're not Canadian, but they do want to retain their own nation, territory and culture. None of us would want to just give up our nationality, territory and culture.



We've been taking and using their land and resources for hundreds of years. The pittance we've given them is nothing compared to what we've taken.

[Obvious Li]

Not many First Nations believe they're not Canadian, but they do want to retain their own nation, territory and culture. None of us would want to just give up our nationality, territory and culture.



We've been taking and using their land and resources for hundreds of years. The pittance we've given them is nothing compared to what we've taken.

ok that is a valid opinion....i'm not buying it but some folks would agree with you....if these tribes have remained sovereign territories all these years why are we paying them cash...why not give it to ukraine or some third world shithole in africa or better yet not spend it at all...... :ugeek:

[Romero]

The British North America Act in 1867 gave all jurisdiction of Indian land to the federal government. Natives would be stuck onto reserves and the government would look after their basic needs such as housing, education, health care and infrastructure. Unfortunately we've been giving them the very minimum for what we got.



Reserves aren't the only communities receiving federal funding. The government funds all municipalities and provinces across the country.

[Romero]

First Nations also lost land and resources through treaties and land claims settlements, which created government obligations to provide aid and services in return.



Providing a comparable range and level of service to First Nations and Inuit is a stated government goal, but according to Canada's auditor general, "Services available on reserves are often not comparable to those provided off reserves by provinces and municipalities," and conditions have remained poor.



In the 2011 report Programs for First Nations on Reserves, the auditor general also observed, "It is not always evident whether the federal government is committed to providing services on reserves of the same range and quality as those provided to other communities across Canada."



The federal government established each First Nation band as an autonomous entity and, therefore, provides separate program funding to each one. With about 630 First Nations – 60 per cent of which have fewer than 500 residents – economies of scale mean that delivering these programs likely will be expensive, compared to when similar services are provided at the municipal and provincial level.



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[Obvious Li]

The British North America Act in 1867 gave all jurisdiction of Indian land to the federal government. Natives would be stuck onto reserves and the government would look after their basic needs such as housing, education, health care and infrastructure. Unfortunately we've been giving them the very minimum for what we got.



Reserves aren't the only communities receiving federal funding. The government funds all municipalities and provinces across the country.

nice try Homy.....the feds fund various levels of govt. from tax revenues raised by citizens in the various jurisdictions...they act as the tax collector for all levels of govt. and distribute the funds according to certain formulas.....natives are considered wards of the crown and pay no taxes..they get money simply for being indian....your example may have applied when the federal govt. did consider them wards of the crown....but now the court has ruled they are sovereign nations living in sovereign territory...so my question remains...why are the taxpayers of canada funding citizens of a foreign country...seems to me it needs to stop.

[Anonymous]

The dispute over the Tsilhqot'in land began in 1983 when British Columbia granted Carrier Lumber Ltd a license to cut trees in part of the territory at issue.

Can't develop resources on First Nation territory without permission and compensation.



First Nations want these land claims settled. Government needs to stop dragging its feet and trying to nickel n' dime First Nations. Too much money has been spent foot dragging and too much lost due to economic uncertainty.

You never could cut down a single fucking tree on reserves without greasing band councils hands. Nothing new there.



OL is right, it's time Canadians say enough is enough and stop this two-tiered citizenship. Giving privileges based on race/ethnicity is soooooo19th century.

[Anonymous]

will someone please intelligently answer this question......If BC natives say they never signed a treaty with canada, (insist on it to the point of going to court, receive a court decision siding with their claim)....WHY OH WHY ARE WE PAYING MONEY TO KEEP THESE PEOPLE ALIVE AND SUPPORT THEIR BAD HABITS IF THEY ARE NOT A PART OF THIS COUNTRY. WTF is up with that.........Hmmmmmmm............... :ugeek:

It gets fucking worse.....that anti-Canadian slimebucket Thomas Mulcair has said that if he is elected PM all negotiations with reserves will be on a special state to state basis!! When Harper negotiates with Obongo or the EU assholes he has to put the interests of his country first. Would Mulcair always seek the best deal for Canadians or would he seek the best deal for the state(Aboriginals) that he does not represent?



Let's face facts, Aboriginals are neither de facto nor de jure countries and never were. We are getting into dangerous Balkanization territory here. Either they are Canadians or they are completely separate nations that get no help from Canadian taxpayers. They can't have their cake and eat it too.

[Romero]

nice try Homy.....the feds fund various levels of govt. from tax revenues raised by citizens in the various jurisdictions...they act as the tax collector for all levels of govt. and distribute the funds according to certain formulas.....natives are considered wards of the crown and pay no taxes..

Some First Nations are exempt from some taxes, but they still pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

^^They are exempt from paying income tax on monies earned on the reserve. They are also GST exempt. Benefits based on ethnicity in the year 2014.....UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!! :x   :x  :x