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Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 29, 2024, 08:51:13 PMWhen he first announced I admit I was a little excited.
He's a great orator and although he tends to lean a little too heavily on the religious stuff he's at least been rhetorically on the right side of many issues. The fact that he was running in the People's Party was also a plus as far as I was concerned; fuck the duopoly.

Then he left the People's Party, became a Green, then hired Peter Fucking Daou?!? No wait, he left the Greens too, Daou quits, and now he's an independent with even less ballot access than he had as a Green and no visible plan for how he could possibly win the presidency.

The whole process was, ah, uninspiring shall we say. I got the impression of someone severely lacking in organization and strategy who apparently believed he could simply coast in on name recognition alone.

It didn't help that he began sniping at people who had been supporters like Jimmy Dore and the folk at RBN. Then he even turned on Peter Daou and Jill Stein but not with anything specific... just vague statements about them being "untrustworthy" or the like.

There was more too but all that mess was enough to convince me he wasn't the one and these days I rarely hear anyone mention him out in the wild so I presume others have reached a similar conclusion.
Needless to say, his candidacy is still alive in name only.
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Herman

Here is a troof TDS wankers will not like.

RCP's Addie Von Drehle: If 2024 Election Was Held Today, RCP Average Says Trump Would Win 312-226
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/03/20/rcps_addie_von_drehle_if_2024_election_was_held_today_rcp_average_says_trump_would_win_312-226.html

Herman

Here is another troof. The democRATs are working just as hard to keep Kennedy off the ballot as they are Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fears-surge-over-democrat-plot-to-keep-rfk-jr-off-ballots-as-biden-support-plummets/ar-AA1ll6zL
leading political expert in the US has warned that there will be an attempt by the Democrats to stop Robert F. Kennedy from being on the ballots in their stronghold states because they fear he will split their vote.

With RFK set to run as an independent candidate in the Presidential election next year, polling by Washington DC-based think tank Democracy Institute has revealed he is gaining in support and taking votes away from the Democrats.

"And this is the tell, the Democrats are going to fight tooth and nail to keep him off states where if he gets 10 or 15 percent it will make a difference."

The latest monthly poll shows that Kennedy would pick up 15 percent of the vote nationally, pushing Joe Biden down to 37 percent with Trump a five point winner on 42 percent.

The polling is catastrophic for the US President, with Biden rating negatively on every category.

Even in a straight race without Kennedy in the mix he loses by 45 percent to 42 percent, but this underlines that he is the bigger loser if Kennedy is involved with negative five points compared to Trump's negative three.

The Gist

Quote from: Garraty_47 on March 29, 2024, 08:51:13 PMWhen he first announced I admit I was a little excited.
He's a great orator and although he tends to lean a little too heavily on the religious stuff he's at least been rhetorically on the right side of many issues. The fact that he was running in the People's Party was also a plus as far as I was concerned; fuck the duopoly.

Then he left the People's Party, became a Green, then hired Peter Fucking Daou?!? No wait, he left the Greens too, Daou quits, and now he's an independent with even less ballot access than he had as a Green and no visible plan for how he could possibly win the presidency.

The whole process was, ah, uninspiring shall we say. I got the impression of someone severely lacking in organization and strategy who apparently believed he could simply coast in on name recognition alone.

It didn't help that he began sniping at people who had been supporters like Jimmy Dore and the folk at RBN. Then he even turned on Peter Daou and Jill Stein but not with anything specific... just vague statements about them being "untrustworthy" or the like.

There was more too but all that mess was enough to convince me he wasn't the one and these days I rarely hear anyone mention him out in the wild so I presume others have reached a similar conclusion.

Ah, well.  Who the fuck else is there to vote for?

Biggie Smiles

Quote from: The Gist on April 02, 2024, 04:42:45 PMAh, well.  Who the fuck else is there to vote for?

So you're not voting for Biden, Lotus?

Garraty_47

Quote from: The Gist on April 02, 2024, 04:42:45 PMAh, well.  Who the fuck else is there to vote for?

For me? If Jill Stein gets the Green nomination (and I don't know why she wouldn't) I might vote for her, as I did in 2016. Or I might write in Vermin Supreme, or someone else.

All I know for sure is I won't be voting for a democrat or a republican.

A vote for the duopoly is a wasted vote.

Biggie Smiles

Quote from: Garraty_47 on April 02, 2024, 06:57:49 PMA vote for the duopoly is a wasted vote.

In a manner of speaking - yes

but Trump is definitely the lesser of two evils and if allowed 4 more years there's no telling how far this country will sink

and since none of these third parties have a chance I'd argue that voting for one of them is actually the wasted vote

Vivek was my first choice and even a Tulsi Gabbard as a secondary. Trump would be my third pick and who I am voting for as I would rather be burned alive than put in a vote for a stricken cock sucking vermin democrat

Herman

Quote from: Garraty_47 on April 02, 2024, 06:57:49 PMFor me? If Jill Stein gets the Green nomination (and I don't know why she wouldn't) I might vote for her, as I did in 2016. Or I might write in Vermin Supreme, or someone else.

All I know for sure is I won't be voting for a democrat or a republican.

A vote for the duopoly is a wasted vote.
I get that. If I could, I would vote for Trump. He is in the Republican Party, but he aint no RepublicRAT. And yes, both parties, minus the GOP Trump wing are essentially the same on immigration and their love of war.

Garraty_47

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 02, 2024, 07:28:22 PMnone of these third parties have a chance

Only because too many people still can't bring themselves to abandon the duopoly.

But that's not my fault, nor is it a good reason to join them in their folly.

I've been voting 3rd party or independent especially in presidential elections since I've been old enough to vote and there's no way I'm about to change now when the choices offered by the democrats and republicans are arguably even worse than they were 40 years ago.

Although with Biden it's both worse and the same because he's been in politics the whole time; it's really fucked up that despite such a long record of being a pathological liar, corporate tool, and warmongering wanksplat there are still people who think he's worth voting for.

The mind boggles.
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Herman

Quote from: Garraty_47 on April 02, 2024, 08:25:03 PMAlthough with Biden it's both worse and the same because he's been in politics the whole time; it's really fucked up that despite such a long record of being a pathological liar, corporate tool, and warmongering wanksplat there are still people who think he's worth voting for.

The mind boggles.
You frickin nailed it. :thumbup2:

Biggie Smiles

Quote from: Garraty_47 on April 02, 2024, 08:25:03 PMOnly because too many people still can't bring themselves to abandon the duopoly.

But that's not my fault, nor is it a good reason to join them in their folly.

I've been voting 3rd party or independent especially in presidential elections since I've been old enough to vote and there's no way I'm about to change now when the choices offered by the democrats and republicans are arguably even worse than they were 40 years ago.

Although with Biden it's both worse and the same because he's been in politics the whole time; it's really fucked up that despite such a long record of being a pathological liar, corporate tool, and warmongering wanksplat there are still people who think he's worth voting for.

The mind boggles.

I get it bro

The world is what it is and most people are too fucking stupid to see things for what they are.

On both sides of the coin.

I was literally embarrassed for my brethren on the right when  they could not bring themselves to vote for Vivek because he's a little brown guy. The guy was sharp, articulate and had the right idea on many things. He would have been difficult for them to paint with the same brush as they do with Trump

He was my first choice but damned if I'm going to give my vote to that catatonic criminal and neither will I throw it away on some candidate who has ZERO hope of getting this piece of shit out of office

Herman

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 02, 2024, 08:32:21 PMI was literally embarrassed for my brethren on the right when  they could not bring themselves to vote for Vivek because he's a little brown guy. The guy was sharp, articulate and had the right idea on many things. He would have been difficult for them to paint with the same brush as they do with Trump

There were some anti progs who would not vote for Vivek because his folks are from Southern India? If that is true, they are stupid assholes.
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Lokmar

Quote from: Herman on April 02, 2024, 08:39:57 PMThere were some anti progs who would not vote for Vivek because his folks are from Southern India? If that is true, they are stupid assholes.

The only people I know who didnt trust him were focused on his religion, not his brownness.

Garraty_47

I didn't pay much attention to the primaries this time but saw enough to appreciate the way Vivek absolutely wrecked Nikki (not her name) Haley.

That was a thing of beauty.
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Herman

Quote from: Lokmar on April 02, 2024, 09:07:57 PMThe only people I know who didnt trust him were focused on his religion, not his brownness.
He is a Hindu. Big deal and nobody's business anyway.