So DSM, tell me more about this "once saved permanently saved" stuff

[Bonesaw]

The world is 20,000 years old?

Fundies can't comprehend big numbers, so that means no one can.  FFS.

This thread started out so good too...

[Dove]

It's a gaggle of God bothereds ..

They aren't bothering anyone, Frood.

Come on now 

[Dove]

The world is 20,000 years old?

Fundies can't comprehend big numbers, so that means no one can.  FFS.

This thread started out so good too...

 I think it's both and neither.

 I believe the planet itself has been here maybe before time was a dimension but life on it isn't that old.

 I have reasons beyond the Bible why I think that.

 Did we really just drag knuckles across the timeline and then one day just go from no technology to everything we have now in a matter of few hundred years?

 It's just weird to me.

[Bonesaw]

I used to be a God botherer, as Freud calls them, and one reason I stopped is because I found myself in the position to either lie or make things up on the spot without even the faintest hope of evidence to back it up to defend the indefensible and it got real tiring real fast.  Piles upon piles of excuses like "time is different to God" etc.

Dove You yourself have pre-emptively stated that you believe any alien life we discover is either angels or demons.  There's no logical reason to believe that except via an attempt to make science fit the bible instead of the other way around.

I couldn't bend my brain that way anymore.

[deadskinmask]

"i can't believe somebody would believe something is 20,000 years old. thats not science. science says everything is brand-spanking new OR millions of billions years old. just like everything is close enough to touch OR its millions of light-years away".... 

[Bonesaw]

"i can't believe somebody would believe something is 20,000 years old. thats not science. science says everything is brand-spanking new OR millions of billions years old. just like everything is close enough to touch OR its millions of light-years away".... 

More empty headed excuses made by a desperate Christian.

I'll believe science or the logic presented by agnostics over one of many scriptures, this one claiming "man was created from dirt and/or ribs".

I read the bible, it's 99% nonsense.

[Biggie Smiles]

I used to be a God botherer, as Freud calls them, and one reason I stopped is because I found myself in the position to either lie or make things up on the spot without even the faintest hope of evidence to back it up to defend the indefensible and it got real tiring real fast.

Dove You yourself have pre-emptively stated that you believe any alien life we discover is either angels or demons.  There's no logical reason to believe that except via an attempt to make science fit the bible instead of the other way around.

I couldn't bend my brain that way anymore.

This is exactly why I make sure anything I believe in coming from the bible remains consistent with the entire theme of the bible and the multitude of passages.

For instance, claiming Jesus is God when there are a multitude of other scriptures you have to completely ignore or pull out of context to maintain overall consistency is a fallacy. Same with this whole once saved always saved stuff. Remaining saved is predicated on enduring to the end. Falling off the wagon is falling off the wagon.

Same silliness trying to prove the authenticity of the bible with just the bible in hand. That's about as silly as believing one of these sexual harassment claimants simply because they say it happened. DECADES ago. no. I wont buy that under any circumstances. Either bring receipts or stay home.

[Bonesaw]

This is exactly why I make sure anything I believe in coming from the bible remains consistent with the entire theme of the bible and the multitude of passages.

For instance, claiming Jesus is God when there are a multitude of other scriptures you have to completely ignore or pull out of context to maintain overall consistency is a fallacy. Same with this whole once saved always saved stuff. Remaining saved is predicated on enduring to the end. Falling off the wagon is falling off the wagon.

Same silliness trying to prove the authenticity of the bible with just the bible in hand. That's about as silly as believing one of these sexual harassment claimants simply because they say it happened. DECADES ago. no. I wont buy that under any circumstances. Either bring receipts or stay home.

Bible studiers and scholars have my respect if they look at it from a logical lens.  They have to try to make sense of not only the bible's contents, but also that of the many sects and denominations who are constantly at war with one another over some small detail that throws them into conflict with each other's entire belief systems.

Since I wrote this, three more REAL Christianities have probably popped up somewhere in Utah.

And boy howdy, you're in for eternal punishment if you don't believe the right one.

[deadskinmask]

I'll believe science or the logic presented by agnostics over one of many scriptures, this one claiming "man was created from dirt and/or ribs".

yeah.... i suppose the FACT that humans have the EXACT same chemical compound as soil is irrelevant.... and the FACT that the human rib is the ONLY bone capable of total regrowth doesn't much matter either.... huh, chief.... lmmfao.... good luck, mr. science....   

[deadskinmask]

i've got to go be productive.... see you cats later, i suppose....

[Bonesaw]

yeah.... i suppose the FACT that humans have the EXACT same compounds as soil is irrelevant.... and the FACT that the human rib is the ONLY bone capable of total regrowth doesn't much matter either.... huh, chief.... lmmfao.... good luck, mr. science....   

Jesus Christ, now I know why Biggie likes to pull your pigtails.  None of what you stammered is proof of literally anything.  You believe the earth is flat and that you're perma-saved by one god out of thousands, now somehow ribs regenerating proves Adam and Eve.

Good luck (another concept that only exists in people's heads) to you, Mr. No-Proof.  You need it more than I do.

[Bonesaw]

i've got to go be productive.... see you cats later, i suppose....

Maybe, maybe not.  I have other things on my plate than watching someone make a fool of himself.

[Bonesaw]

By the way, I imagine most religious types around here have already heard this argument, but isn't it just the tiniest bit peculiar that depending on where you were born, your geographical place in the world heavily influences your beliefs?

We're talking millions of souls per belief system, simply because they were hatched on a different patch of dirt.  And all of them think the religion they grew up with is the true one.

Maybe someone could enlighten me on how that doesn't prove it's all a crock of steaming horse shit.  Hell, some of these third world backwaters never even heard of your magical bedtime story and probably never will.

[Garraty_47]

the FACT that the human rib is the ONLY bone capable of total regrowth

Too bad a certain other bone isn't capable of regrowth... that would have rendered our other line of discussion entirely moot. It also would have some interesting hypotheticals, like would some dudes just keep tearing them off so Magic Man wouldn't get mad? How many would save them up until they had enough for a belt or a jacket or something?

I'll bet it's most of them.
Most of them would collect the little leather bits and make something out of them.

Humans are weird.



Oh! Also:

the FACT that humans have the EXACT same chemical compound as soil

Citation needed.

[Lokmar]

It's a gaggle of God bothereds ..

Call the waaambulance or simply look at the title and stay away.