So DSM, tell me more about this "once saved permanently saved" stuff

[Garraty_47]

I'd say you people have it better than you've ever had in Western civilization. Compared to 120 years ago, Christianty holds drastically less sway over society, not that society is any better for it.

There are still states that forbid atheists from holding public office.

I can't at the moment think of a single atheist in the executive, legislative, or judicial branches of our government.

Not sure on what you're basing this "less sway" declaration so I have to disagree on principle.

[deadskinmask]

the world of politics is slap-full of luciferians.... maybe they do push atheists out.... but don't think they're christians just because they "said so"....

[Dove]

Dove said you have to repent and never commit those sins again.

And if you do, I guess you repent... again?

That doesn't sound very one-and-done.  It certainly doesn't fit with DSM's belief, but it makes the Catholic Church a thriving enterprise.

If you are saved only once and your actions are never cast into question henceforth, what is the limit of terrible things you can do before God says "stop it or I'll turn this thing around?"

 It has to be real repentance. You can't just do whatever you want and be like "eh sorry".

 It has to be real sorrow and repentance. No one gets a free pass to do whatever they want and just tell God sorry and get out of it.   

[deadskinmask]

if you love God and trust Jesus, you don't have a "desire" to continue fuckin up.... God knows who tries and Jesus died to cover your ass.... nobody is worthy of heaven.... if you think that "being good" gets your foot in the door, you're bent in the head....

[Lokmar]

There are still states that forbid atheists from holding public office.

I can't at the moment think of a single atheist in the executive, legislative, or judicial branches of our government.

Not sure on what you're basing this "less sway" declaration so I have to disagree on principle.

Maybe on the books but I guarantee you that would be tossed out in court in a heartbeat if challenged. Hell, you cant even stop a tranny from holding office and I for one believe those people have ZERO right to hold office let alone be alive. I bet you could find a law on the books somewhere saying blacks and whites cant marry too.

I cant take your example seriously.

You say you cant think of anyone that is atheist in those positions, well there isnt a litmus test on it. Bernie the loon sure as hell isnt religious and he's said as much, neither is that carpet munching trash Senema.

I find this just as disingenuous as comparing circumcision to a cliterectomy. 

[Lokmar]

the world of politics is slap-full of luciferians.... maybe they do push atheists out.... but don't think they're christians just because they "said so"....

Any church ran by a kweirdo or even one where they do kweirdo marriages damned well arent "Christian"

[Garraty_47]

Your complaint is that 'Murica doesn't adhere to strict biblical literalism.

That's not the same as 'Murican society not being predominately influenced by christian theology.

Such a claim is absurd on its face.

Even our *money* has "In God We Trust" on it...
...unless you're trying to suggest they meant Horus or Zeus? lulz

[Adolf Oliver Bush]

removing  a foreskin is no different than removing an appendix.... the appendix was just an additional filter for the body.... now that our food and water is of a consistently cleaner grade we no longer need it.... if you're in a position that your foreskin or appendix is a necessary part of life then you're just nasty as fuck....

If you're a dyed in the wool religious zealot who believes your god's creation to be as he intended... and that subsequently he's told you to start mutilating your children and slaves to satisfy some ephemeral covenant or other... then your conclusion might be that god is a sadist at heart.

Feel free to find yourself an uncircumcised gentleman though, slice the tip off his old fella without anaesthesia like the did in Abhraham's time and get back to me on the results. I hear tell that the creator of Kellogs Cereals used to recommend the practice.

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, a skilled surgeon who donated his services to indigent patients, advocated circumcision as a remedy for local uncleanliness, phimosis, and masturbation in his book "Plain Facts for Old And Young". Kellogg suggested procedures that ranged from ridiculous to barbaric, including tying hands, bandaging the offending organ, or putting a cage over it. If these did not work, he recommended circumcision without anesthetic as the brief pain attending the operation would have a salutary effect upon the mind.

Looking at how deranged it made Lokmar, I'd question the good doctor's definition of "salutary".

[Lokmar]

Your complaint is that 'Murica doesn't adhere to strict biblical literalism.

That's not the same as 'Murican society not being predominately influenced by christian theology.

Such a claim is absurd on its face.

Even our *money* has "In God We Trust" on it...
...unless you're trying to suggest they meant Horus or Zeus? lulz

I do complain that America is no longer ran as founded. You make it sound like atheists are persecuted in spite of the 20 some people in congress that didnt give an answer for religious affiliation or the 2 that have clearly stated they dont have a religious affiliation. Thats laughable.

My entire point is that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principals and should remain that way. Rights come from God and only God fearing individuals should be the stewards of those rights. How idiotic is it to declare rights come from God, create a system of government which is chained by this declaration, and then toss the keys to atheists. Atheists have no business running that which they dont believe in. Simply put, you do not agree that my rights come from an authority higher and beyond government. No thanks! I'll keep my God given rights as they are!

I'll say it again, the Christianity that guided America decades ago is not in place in government any longer. Not by miles. If it was, we wouldnt have open faggits and trannies running ANYTHING in the government. Murderers and rapists would be executed publicly. Nobody would go to jail for defending themselves with lethal force. I wouldnt have had the talk with my kids and wife again that when the FBI kicks in your door and shoots the dog, you say NOTHING to them. They can lie to you, its a federal offense if you lie to them. We wouldnt have anyone defending the right of a woman to abort a 6 month old fetus that is viable outside of her skank ass.

"In God We Trust" is apparently butthurtful to atheists and they've repeatedly tried to get it removed. IT SHOULD BE ON ON OUR MONEY!!!! LOL! We declared our trust for founding the country by God's authority.

As I've always said, atheists/gaytheists are like someone who comes to your house and tells you how shitty it is and talks you into burning it down to the fukin ground where you both sit in the ashes and the gaytheist declares loudly "aint it fukin cool!"....but "OMG, them God given rights hertz muh feelz!"

Wait, I guess OMG could be misconstrued as offensive. Almost like some misgendering!!!! OMG!

[Lokmar]

Looking at how deranged it made Lokmar, I'd question the good doctor's definition of "salutary".

I know, right? And just look at these deranged loons who wrote this:

In CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

Thanks for playing!!!!

[Adolf Oliver Bush]

I know, right?

Sorry about your penis, chum. It must be a terrible thing to face a meat cleaver wielding rabbi with bondage themed sexual perversions on his mind.

[Lokmar]

Sorry about your penis, chum. It must be a terrible thing to face a meat cleaver wielding rabbi with bondage themed sexual perversions on his mind.

You cant face your butthurt. Expected. What isnt expected is your concern for my fully functional wang, fukin gaytheist.

BTW, notice how "The United States" was established with the DOI, long before the Constitution was written or ratified....like 15 years BEFORE!

But hey, we should have a provision for any dumb assed gaytheist who wishes to unchain their God Given Unalienable Rights and deposit them with nanny gubmints instead. LMFAO@U!!!!

[Garraty_47]

Neither christianity nor any other religion *owns* the concept of morality or the idea of having principles. Such things existed before christianity, still exist outside christianity, and will exist as long as there are people around to imagine such things.

The christian mythos is but one of many such collections of tales, parables, and "commandments". It's not even original... you can find all the major themes and stories and plots in religions that came before christianity. Christianity is only the same ol' superstitious nonsense repackaged for a new audience. And christianity continues to absorb and adapt "heathen" rituals and holidays in a bid to stay relevant.

It has always changed, since the very beginning of its run. To complain that it has changed here in 'Murica is trying to deny it the very mechanism by which it has evolved and lasted this long.

But hey- do what you like with it; it's your religion not mine.

[Bonesaw]

I was an agnostic, then I was a Christian, now I'm an agnostic.

I had a good grasp on morality before religion tried, and failed, to teach it to me.  Some of the worst people I've met are believers.. strangely, their grasp on morality is not as firm.

[Reggie Essent]

So, has this thread moved on from dick cheese then?