Moonpie

[caskur]

She thinks they will convert and she is going to be the one to save them. 

[Biggie Smiles]

She thinks they will convert and she is going to be the one to save them. 

Nothing wrong with holding out hope for that. It's the christian thing to do after all.

What I dont want to see her do is place herself into harms way attempting such an effort on their soil. Most of them are fucking savages not worthy of such a benevolent courtesy

[Moonie]

I can understand the frustration, but what invalidates your point is the simple fact that Gaza borders TWO countries. Egypt and Israel. Now any Palestinian with a modicum of common sense could understand why Israel blocks them from entering Israel but what excuse does Egypt have and why is no one placing any of them blame on them for this "compound" you speak of

now, if you want to divide the blame for this "compound" of a situation and say it's proportionate to land mass, ie 75% Israeli fault and 25% Egypt's fault I can see the logic in that and would stand by your assessment. But to say Israel is completely to blame while absolving Egypt of any responsibility, or at the very least failing to include their culpability in this assessment, ESPECIALLY when Israel has endured a barrage of terror attacks while at the same time Egypt has not is a bit disingenuous.

Perhaps it is for this reason that despite being well liked and highly respected by myself and many others here we are having a hard time empathizing with your points?

Consistency goes along way towards convincing your audience.

It's hard to be consistent when you have innocent among terror.  All I was trying to say is that. 

I was talking about people traveling out of Gaza into Jerusalem and such they aren't allowed to do that.  If they try it takes hours of interrogation.  That's all I was getting at. Like if you need a type of cancer treatment and it's not offered in Gaza they have to go out for it.  Yeah not likely.

If you don't follow the Palestinian news and outlets you won't see some of the stories.  I'm not talking about Hamas. 

[Moonie]

She thinks they will convert and she is going to be the one to save them. 


Really?? Then you know nothing about the gospel?

[Erica Mena]

Never said that.  But do you think it's justified in bombing a city continuously killings over 20 thousand mostly women and children? 

Why can't you say it's wrong? Asking a question in response to a question means there is some truth to you believing it was justified.

[Biggie Smiles]

It's hard to be consistent when you have innocent among terror.  All I was trying to say is that. 

I was talking about people traveling out of Gaza into Jerusalem and such they aren't allowed to do that.  If they try it takes hours of interrogation.  That's all I was getting at. Like if you need a type of cancer treatment and it's not offered in Gaza they have to go out for it.  Yeah not likely.

If you don't follow the Palestinian news and outlets you won't see some of the stories.  I'm not talking about Hamas. 

There's no direct pathway from Gaza into Jerusalem that doesn't cross Israeli sovereign territory or flow through some back channel with Egypt as the point of entry and return. And I'm sorry, but Israel has every right in the world to deny them passage. For any reason they choose. Aside from the terror and security concerns if Israel's leadership said 'we don't want any of you traveling across our roads for no reason other than we don't like the way you look' it would be within their right to do so. It's not for any of us to judge them for that, nor is it justification for terror attacks. And the same holds true in reverse.

I'm sorry, I don't see this point. Israel, like any other sovereign nation has every right to deny anyone they wish from entering their territory for any reason they choose. No matter how frivolous it is

[Moonie]

Why can't you say it's wrong? Asking a question in response to a question means there is some truth to you believing it was justified.

. I said it was wrong from get go. 

[Herman]

It'll stop when the hostages are returned. Israel isn't going to put up with being victims of constant attacks and they have said as much.

If someone was firing bombs at your place FIRST would you expect your American government to do nothing?

Palestinians look like they prefer learning lessons the hard way.

Not everybody agrees so why flounce?.... Put your big girl panties on and thank your God you aren't in the middle east anymore!~

The US are hypocrites calling for a ceasefire before Israel can take out Hamas. Did the US have a ceasefire with Afghanistan and Iraq before they took out the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.

[Biggie Smiles]

The US are hypocrites calling for a ceasefire before Israel can take out Hamas. Did the US have a ceasefire with Afghanistan and Iraq before they took out the Taliban and Saddam Hussein.

exactly.

You don't even have to like the jews to see the hypocrisy in telling them to cease defending themselves

[Moonie]

There's no direct pathway from Gaza into Jerusalem that doesn't cross Israeli sovereign territory or flow through some back channel with Egypt as the point of entry and return. And I'm sorry, but Israel has every right in the world to deny them passage. For any reason they choose. Aside from the terror and security concerns if Israel's leadership said 'we don't want any of you traveling across our roads for no reason other than we don't like the way you look' it would be within their right to do so. It's not for any of us to judge them for that, nor is it justification for terror attacks. And the same holds true in reverse.

I'm sorry, I don't see this point. Israel, like any other sovereign nation has every right to deny anyone they wish from entering their territory for any reason they choose. No matter how frivolous it is

Right, there isn't any pathway.  I was just stating they can't leave.  And Hamas bulldozing the fence to get out to fabricate the heinous crimes shows it. 

[caskur]

Nothing wrong with holding out hope for that. It's the christian thing to do after all.

What I dont want to see her do is place herself into harms way attempting such an effort on their soil. Most of them are fucking savages not worthy of such a benevolent courtesy

This is a fact,.. all that will happen to her is, she be robbed, raped, throat cut and her found dumped in a ditch somewhere.

[caskur]

. I said it was wrong from get go. 

well duuh.... we all know its wrong but defending Palestine won't cure it.

God's true people won't be lost. 

[Herman]

well duuh.... we all know its wrong but defending Palestine won't cure it.

God's true people won't be lost. 

Even though I have lived and worked in the region and have the battle scars to show for it, I don't want to say too much. We aint arguing with a spokesman for Trannies for Palestine. I get where Moonie is coming from.

[caskur]

Even though I have lived and worked in the region and have the battle scars to show for it, I don't want to say too much. We aint arguing with a spokesman for Trannies for Palestine. I get where Moonie is coming from.

What battle scars Reece?

[Frood]

I'm just saying both sides act barbaric and feign indignation, anger, and blood-lust besides lying where it suits them.

Moonie has consistently pointed this out too or at least I believe she has. I can't speak on her behalf, however.

If all life is precious, particularly non-combatants like children, the infirm, and the aged... why are people disputing the numbers of killed, tortured, and raped on either side?

Ok, maybe Hamas is overinflating civilian deaths by thousands, or tens of thousands... but it still doesn't discount the thousands of innocents who were genuinely killed by indiscriminate bombings and rifle fire.

Same with Israel and the rape claims. There are indications the actual numbers are much much lower... but it still has to do with numerous sexual assaults, abductions, and deaths.

Nobody's noses are clean.