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here's a chance Biden can still beat Trump

Started by Thiel, February 09, 2024, 11:10:08 PM

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Thiel

This opinion is that of Jonah Goldberg. I am not confident at all of Trump winning the election. And for some of the reasons that Jonah Goldberg mentions.

QuoteThere's bad news and good news for those who want to see Joe Biden win in 2024 (or who really just want to see Donald Trump lose).

The bad news is that, in the era of modern polling, no president has ever won re-election with approval ratings as low at this point in their first term. For fairly obvious reasons, incumbent presidents generally need to get at least close to 50% favourability by election day to win. Biden's approval has been stubbornly low — around 40% in polling averages — despite an improving economy. Getting to 50% looks daunting, though hardly impossible.

The good news is that approval numbers may not matter.

You may have noticed that a lot of the old rules of politics have passed their expiration dates. It's important to note that none of them were ever "iron laws," so much as rules of thumb. Still, it's been a bad time to rely on those rules of thumb.

In a polarized electorate, most voters vote against the other party more than they vote for their own. A recent Quinnipiac poll finds that among voters who dislike both candidates, Biden has a commanding 13-point lead. If that holds, it could be all Biden needs.

A second reason why approval ratings might be unreliable is that Trump is essentially running as a Republican incumbent.

Normally, presidents who lose don't run again. And they certainly don't claim they didn't lose.

Presidential approval ratings have tended to be predictive because a re-election bid is a referendum on an incumbent's first term: Do voters want more of the same or change? But voters already know what a Trump presidency would be like — or they can be reminded with a barrage of negative ads the likes of which we've never seen. Trump left office with an approval rating of 34%. This is why Nikki Haley tends to do better than Trump in hypothetical match-ups with Biden: She's a change candidate in a way Trump can't be.

It's true that Trump is beating Biden in many hypothetical match-ups in battleground states. That should worry Democrats and anyone else who doesn't want Trump in the White House. But Trump's unfavourable ratings are still higher than Biden's. Indeed, Trump has always had a high floor of support — about 34% — but also a very low ceiling at about 48%.

Unlike Biden, Trump has never actually been popular.

In a general election, when partisans reluctantly "come home," basically to vote against the other party, Biden probably has a much larger pool of "hold your nose" voters to rely on.

The expiration — or temporary suspension — of other rules is relevant too. Republicans in 2022 were expecting a "Red Tsunami" given Biden's unpopularity and the struggling economy. Democrats did shockingly well because they ran, in effect, against Trump and Trumpism and for abortion rights.

Indeed, the old rule that the abortion issue helps Republicans got turned on its head after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. As recent state initiatives suggest, Biden could be carried by abortion rights voters alone.

Biden is already opening a massive gender gap with Trump. Abortion surely explains much of it, although his trials for assaulting and defaming writer E. Jean Carroll, and for allegedly paying hush money to a porn-star mistress, probably didn't help. Attacking Taylor Swift, as his most ardent supporters have done recently, won't fix that.

All of that said, if you believe a second Trump presidency would be a disaster for the country, re-running a very unpopular incumbent on the hunch that the old rules no longer apply seems like a risky bet.
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Herman

If Biden is reelected, it is because the democRATs cheated. Period.
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