Just another day in paradise eh libturds?

[DKG]

western governments DO NOT use social safety net money responsibly. Its just another slush fund. Its a fucking scam.

Because its a fucking scam, all that shit needs to go. Its no different than the FISA courts in America. The government abused it, cannot be trusted, so you have to throw the baby out with the bath water because freedom and liberty are far more important.

I tend to agree with this. The new federal social programs enacted under Trudeau(subsidized day care and dental benefits) have been super costly to administer and have not helped the most needy the way his government promised they would.

[caskur]

How can you say one person paying $15,000/year and another paying $750/year are equal. One is subsidizing the other.

And Canada desperately needs private primary medical insurance to take the pressure off of our collapsing public health care system. It is still not allowed.

I disagree one is subsidising the other.

Would you say a person paying 25% tax on $50,000 is being subsidized by a person paying 25% on their $75,000?

[caskur]

I think Australians are one of the highest tax payers..

Here is our tax rates soon to be...

All 13.6 million Australian taxpayers will receive a tax cut.

The Australian Government has made changes to individual income tax rates and thresholds.

This will apply to all taxable income you earn from 1 July 2024. The changes will not impact your 2023–24 tax return.

From 1 July this year, these changes will:

reduce the 19 per cent tax rate to 16 per cent
reduce the 32.5 per cent tax rate to 30 per cent

increase the 37 per cent tax threshold from $120,000 to $135,000

increase the 45 per cent tax threshold from $180,000 to $190,000.

These changes will deliver a tax cut to every Australian taxpayer.

[caskur]

I just went and compared our tax rates with Canada... and our rates are double yours.


I don't even know what you people are complaining about.

[Lokmar]

20 years ago when my wife and I were making about $65K/yr, I figured out our total tax burden was 47%. Thats fucking criminal. Now, we make about $300K/yr. I'll bet you its at least 60%.

IDGAF how fucking rich someone is, taking more than half their wealth in fees and taxes should result in the government being overthrown.

[Thiel]

20 years ago when my wife and I were making about $65K/yr, I figured out our total tax burden was 47%. Thats fucking criminal. Now, we make about $300K/yr. I'll bet you its at least 60%.

IDGAF how fucking rich someone is, taking more than half their wealth in fees and taxes should result in the government being overthrown.

I agree, but I would lower that number to one quarter their annual income.

[DKG]

I disagree one is subsidising the other.

Would you say a person paying 25% tax on $50,000 is being subsidized by a person paying 25% on their $75,000?

We all receive the same amount of government services. But, we aren't all charged the same for those services.

If one person earning earning 400K is paying 100K per annum in taxes for services and another person earning 40K is paying 10K then the former is subsidizing the latter. He or she is paying ten times what someone else is for the same services.

[caskur]

We all receive the same amount of government services. But, we aren't all charged the same for those services.

If one person earning earning 400K is paying 100K per annum in taxes for services and another person earning 40K is paying 10K then the former is subsidizing the latter. He or she is paying ten times what someone else is for the same services.

People who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.


If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.

[Logic Sandwich]

Dum sum.... why don't you fuck off back to Canada then...take all the Americans that lobbed themselves into our health care system with you.

I don't know any. I'd call that a major stumbling block to your proposal.

There is also the matter of the political situation. Both Australia and Canada are captives of Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum, an organisation whose aims are to bankrupt the peoples wealth in ways that dwarf the constant railing you engage in against your eastern states. Myopia is as myopia does I guess, you'll still be holding the eastern states responsible when globalism takes your entire way of life from you, but you do you.

It is worth noting however...

I just went and compared our tax rates with Canada... and our rates are double yours.


I don't even know what you people are complaining about.

The reason is simple; both are onerous. And Canadians are being gouged in ways that Australians aren't, the figures to which you base your assertion on likely do not reflect this.

Both countries could do with vastly diminished taxation. Most countries could. And it could be done as easily as drawing down government interference in your daily lives and forcing a bunch of fatassed regulators into the public sector. You know, to actually produce shit that was of saleable worth instead of producing inflation and red tape as they do now.

The ancient Romans managed to run their empire on single figure tax rates, just saying.

It was 3% not 2 % and it went up to 4% because of cyclone yasi for 1 year And the Labor PM bitch totally misused the Medicare system doing that and I found that morally reprehensibly wrong.

Your entire country misuses the Medicare system. Crunch the numbers sometime (I'll wait) and see if you can explain to me where those billions in Medicare levies are being sent. Payouts to Pfizer maybe? A personal politician's library or three? It sure as hell isn't towards training competent medical staff or you wouldn't be importing a bunch of chinks, wops and dagos for your GPs to make a dent in those inordinately long waiting times at your local clinic.

I seem to recall a time not so long ago when doctors still made house calls. And it didn't break the bank to do it either. Your Medicare system sucks ass at gloryholes and if you're so keen to suck its then you're a fool.

Fucking die already.

I'll get there in my own time thanks. As will you. Probably long before I do. Sorry about your luck.

[Logic Sandwich]

People who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.


If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.

In a socialised medicare system people who earn more DO subsidise people who earn less. That sixty dollars you pay out of your pocket is but a surcharge which is paid to the government, not the doctor (even though it is the doctor's secretary that collects it.

The government (ideally) then contributes that sixty into the pool of monies they have already levied from the people. Remember that pool has already been largely generated off the back of a percentage levied on the earnings of individual peoples generative worth. That is where the top earners are subsidising the poor.

Because when the government reallocates the money back to your doctor, your doctor has no idea if the payment he just received cost you ten or a thousand dollars in medicare levies. You get the same level of service either way.


Now... if the doctor gave you a tenth of the service he gave to someone who had paid ten times as much through the medicare levy, that would be unsubsidised service.

[caskur]

Fail maths much?


You don't pay more for a doctor's visit if you are richer than someone on half your income.

If a visit to the doctor costs $60 dollar for Freddy 50,000, then it's still $60 for a person on $500,000.

 

[DKG]

People who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.


If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.

That's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.

If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.

[caskur]

if we want a high standard of living,... and I do want a high standard of living,.... then that costs money and the money comes from taxes.

more people today globally live very well than throughout mans entire history.  More food, better housing, clothing, and basic healthcare... roads, hospitals, a police force.

 

[caskur]

That's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.

If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.

the rich person eventually goes on a pension then they get the benefit of younger medicare participants contributions. It  is a long term deal.

we personally have contributed to medicare coffers for 50 years.... now its our turn to make good use of it.

[caskur]

That's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.

If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.

   Dr do not charge rich people more.