Hong Kong pro-democracy demonstrations

[Anonymous]

^I expected Oak to post some silly shit like that.



Fed-up Hong Kong residents attack pro-democracy demonstrators, sending protests spiraling into chaos

With fatigue setting in and Hong Kong residents pushing back — some violently — against the pro-democracy protests that have snarled parts of the city for a week, student leaders are weighing the next steps.



In Causeway Bay and Mong Kok, where tens of thousands of demonstrators had choked the streets earlier in the week, police had to move in to protect them from attacks by opposing groups. During the day Friday the number of pro-democracy protesters thinned and they struggled to maintain their ground in the two districts as people returned to work after a two-day holiday and heavy rains pelted the city.



The scuffles in Kowloon's crowded Mong Kok district were the most chaotic since police used tear gas and pepper spray on Sunday in an unsuccessful attempt to disperse protesters pushing for greater electoral reforms. TIME reported that pro-Beijing supporters trashed the students' tents and hurled obscenities.



Police were hard-pressed to keep order as the two sides tussled in a tense standoff. The visibly older people trying to force the vastly outnumbered protesters out were yelling, shoving and at times trying to drag the younger protesters away.



The democracy activists linked arms and held hands as they tried to stand their ground against the huge crowd.

Police formed cordons and escorted some of the protesters away as hundreds of onlookers chanted, "Go home!"



"If their demonstration was in Victoria Park or anywhere else where it didn't cause a traffic jam, I would support them," said business owner James Miu, who directed a group of men dismantling a roadblock in Causeway Bay. "The police can do nothing, so we did this. Just seven of us. We are not police, we are just citizens. I worry about my staff."





Students face a dilemma on how to proceed, after Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying rejected an ultimatum to resign by midnight or face an escalation in protests. Leung offered talks on political reform in a bid to end the unrest triggered by China's plan for a committee to vet candidates for an election in 2017, and the Hong Kong government's support for that process.



Most of the protesters remain in the Admiralty area where they've barricaded the entrances to the main government offices, prompting officials to close a compound where more than 3,000 people work. Police and security forces have negotiated with demonstrators to bring in food and supplies, while riot police were used to open a breach in the barricades to let an ambulance bring out a sick officer.



After thinning to several hundred, their numbers were again swelling into the thousands after local televisions broadcasts images of the violence at Mong Kok.



The protests have dented sales by retailers during what is normally one of their busiest weeks of year, when thousands of mainland Chinese travel to Hong Kong for the Golden Week holiday. The unrest has cost Hong Kong's retailers HK$2.2 billion ($316 million Cad), or about 6 percent of the month's total sales, Raymond Yeung, senior economist at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group Ltd., said in a research note Friday.



Frustration among people whose livelihood has been affected has grown more public, and pro-Beijing forces have become more outspoken and more aggressive as the demonstrations drag on. The tensions are dividing families among a population that city leaders like to refer to as pragmatic.



Terence Tang, a 52-year-old engineer who spent his second day at the protests Thursday, said his 18-year-old daughter is neutral, he thinks his 16-year-old son supports the cause, and he's had arguments with his wife over his taking part.



He displayed a WhatsApp message from his wife saying she planned to lock the gate of their house and let him sleep on the street if he stayed at the protest.



Support for the demonstrations surged after police used tear gas on Sept. 28, turning the protests into the biggest challenge to Chinese control of the city since the end of British colonial rule in 1997. In threatening to escalate the protests by occupying government offices, the students risk undermining the goodwill triggered public outrage over the tear-gas assault.



As the demonstrations grew they attracted protesters who won't necessarily follow the student leader's directives. Student protesters last night formed a human chain to stop other demonstrators from blocking one of the only remaining open roads in the Central business district, with one shouting at the students, "it's not just your protest, it's mine too."





Lester Shum, deputy secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students, pleaded with demonstrators outside the government offices last night not to take matters in their own hands.



"Please, I ask all of you, don't shed any blood or provoke the police before we've had real dialog with Carrie," Shum said, referring to Carrie Lam, Leung's deputy, who was designated last night to hold talks. "Brothers and sisters, you angels, stay calm and don't waste the last five days by turning public opinion against us."





Time is not on the students' side, said Hui, who grew up in Hong Kong and serves on the Academic Advisors Committee of the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict.



"The worry really is that the enthusiasm of core supporters will also wear out," she said. "If CY Leung was smart, he would just wait out the protesters, he could avoid the choice of making concessions or cracking down."

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Face it, it's not the West and everyday Chinese people are getting fed up with not being able to earn a proper living. Time really isn't on these kids side.

[Gary Oak]

The British never gave Hong Kongers democracy so why should Beijing ? Chinese Hong Kongers helped the Japanese against the British [ who allowed them to immigrate ]  in WW2 and Chinese Hong Kongers helped the west against mainland China during the British years and blatantly look down on mainlanders. I have experienced extreme racism from Chinese in Hong Kong.

[Romero]

^I expected Oak to post some silly shit like that.

That's what the Hong Kong police said. Nearly half those arrested had triad backgrounds.



No news yet on whether their gloves were rigged though. haha

[Anonymous]

^A vioment mob is 8 people with SUSPECTED triad links?? You really are stealing a page out of Oak's epic, best-selling, illustrious book.

Police said they had arrested 19 men since Friday, with local state-owned broadcaster RTHK saying eight of them were suspected members of Triads, or Chinese criminal gangs.

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[Obvious Li]

not much difference than those idle some more idiots we had here trying to shut businesses down and interrupt regular people going about their lives except of course the actions of the police..in HK if the police are ordered to go in and break it up they fucking well follow orders and go in and break it up...in canada if the police are ordered in (by a legitimate court of law) they may or may not follow orders and break it up..depends on how they feel that day or who is breaking the law...it seems indian protestors and agitators are exempt from canadian justice...really really wish we had HK justice here when those fuckers start their bullshit...live ammo coming at you focuses the mind and requires dumb fucks to decide whether they are serious or not...just saying

[Gary Oak]

Violent mobs with triad links threaten Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters



Pro-democracy protesters were besieged by violent mobs looking to break up their occupation of one of Hong Kong's busiest districts on Friday, leading to chaotic skirmishes on city streets, accusations of police bias, and the shelving of negotiations with the government.



Nineteen people were arrested, at least eight of whom had "triad backgrounds", police said early on Saturday, lending weight to furious accusations from pro-democracy groups that the violence was instigated by gangs who had been paid to provoke trouble and break up the demonstrations.



The protesters, which have occupied three separate sites across the city, came under pressure on multiple fronts on Friday in what appeared to be a concerted attack. The confrontations in Kowloon's densely-populated Mong Kok, in particular, escalated into open violence as the night wore on.



Witnesses said the attackers punched and kicked protesters, while female protesters were grope and harassed.



Regardless of who the instigators were, they attracted a large group of dozens, if not hundreds, of others who joined in surrounding the pro-democracy tent, baying for blood, sometimes literally. "Kill!" was heard yelled from the crowd, while observers who tried to intervene were also threatened physically.



Many claimed they were ordinary Hong Kong residents who were fed up with how the occupation of the streets had disrupted their lives.



But the desperate mood in the eye of the storm – where the besieged tent of a few dozen pro-democracy protesters had been holding out for hours in the face of threats and abuse – turned triumphant at about 7pm as it became apparent that the tables were turning.



Word spreading on social media, including Facebook, had seen supporters arrive in droves after work. Crowds swelled to the tens of thousands, completely engulfng Nathan Road and Argyle Road.



In remarkable scenes, it was now the anti-Occupy agitators who had been surrounded, with crowds chanting loudly for police to arrest them.  



"Hong Kong people have come from all corners. They know that we have been completely surrounded," said pro-democracy protester Prince Tse, a 28-year-old barista. "We are really touched. They have just finished work and literally ran here. We can feel Hong Kong is united."



http://www.theage.com.au/world/violent-mobs-with-triad-links-threaten-hong-kong-prodemocracy-protesters-20141004-10q7gq.html">//http://www.theage.com.au/world/violent-mobs-with-triad-links-threaten-hong-kong-prodemocracy-protesters-20141004-10q7gq.html

A friend of mine who is a sergeant on the Hong Kong police force told me they know Li Kai Shing is paying for the counter demonstrations. The triads behind this is true. Many Canadiscams are also paying the counter demonstrators.

[Anonymous]

^Romero and Oak, what a team!! ac_rollseyes

[Anonymous]

Violent mobs with triad links threaten Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters



Pro-democracy protesters were besieged by violent mobs looking to break up their occupation of one of Hong Kong's busiest districts on Friday, leading to chaotic skirmishes on city streets, accusations of police bias, and the shelving of negotiations with the government.



Nineteen people were arrested, at least eight of whom had "triad backgrounds", police said early on Saturday, lending weight to furious accusations from pro-democracy groups that the violence was instigated by gangs who had been paid to provoke trouble and break up the demonstrations.



The protesters, which have occupied three separate sites across the city, came under pressure on multiple fronts on Friday in what appeared to be a concerted attack. The confrontations in Kowloon's densely-populated Mong Kok, in particular, escalated into open violence as the night wore on.



Witnesses said the attackers punched and kicked protesters, while female protesters were grope and harassed.



Regardless of who the instigators were, they attracted a large group of dozens, if not hundreds, of others who joined in surrounding the pro-democracy tent, baying for blood, sometimes literally. "Kill!" was heard yelled from the crowd, while observers who tried to intervene were also threatened physically.



Many claimed they were ordinary Hong Kong residents who were fed up with how the occupation of the streets had disrupted their lives.



But the desperate mood in the eye of the storm – where the besieged tent of a few dozen pro-democracy protesters had been holding out for hours in the face of threats and abuse – turned triumphant at about 7pm as it became apparent that the tables were turning.



Word spreading on social media, including Facebook, had seen supporters arrive in droves after work. Crowds swelled to the tens of thousands, completely engulfng Nathan Road and Argyle Road.



In remarkable scenes, it was now the anti-Occupy agitators who had been surrounded, with crowds chanting loudly for police to arrest them.  



"Hong Kong people have come from all corners. They know that we have been completely surrounded," said pro-democracy protester Prince Tse, a 28-year-old barista. "We are really touched. They have just finished work and literally ran here. We can feel Hong Kong is united."



http://www.theage.com.au/world/violent-mobs-with-triad-links-threaten-hong-kong-prodemocracy-protesters-20141004-10q7gq.html">//http://www.theage.com.au/world/violent-mobs-with-triad-links-threaten-hong-kong-prodemocracy-protesters-20141004-10q7gq.html

This would not surprise me Romero..



In Taiwan, the triads are supporters of the KMT..



They routinely threaten people that support formal Taiwanese independence.