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By Ezra Levant, QMI Agency



What are the social and legal conditions that have led to the murder of more than 1,000 aboriginal women in the past 35 years?



A chorus of lawyers and bureaucrats have demanded a public inquiry into the question. An alternative would be to just listen to the case heard by the Supreme Court this week, R. v. Clifford Kokopenace.



Seven years ago, Kokopenace killed an aboriginal man named Taylor Assin, with a single stab wound from a knife. He was convicted of manslaughter.



He's a killer. He killed an aboriginal. But he's not in jail.



Which is not surprising - certainly not to Kokopenace. He has had a life of crime, and no one puts him in jail for long. He was a young offender. And then an adult criminal, with 12 violent convictions. All before he killed Taylor Assin.



It was just a matter of time before he killed someone.



In 2008, he was sentenced to seven-and-a-half years for this homicide. But he was given two-for-one credit for the time he was held in custody before his trial -- that lopped off more than two and a half years. So, he faced a sentence of five years. But of course this is Canada. We have mandatory release after a fraction of the sentence. And parole. And day parole.



Is that how little an aboriginal victim's life is worth?



Where do your sympathies lie? Do they lie with missing and murdered aboriginal people, like Taylor Assin? Or are they with Taylor Assin's killer?



Do you think it's a good idea to dump Kokopenace back into the community that he has been terrorizing for more than two decades?



The court obviously did, with their absurdly low sentence. The sentence sent a clear message: an aboriginal murder victim's life is worth less than a white murder victim's life.



But it gets crazier. Kokopenace, has appealed his sentence. He says it was unfair. It was too harsh. Because, you see, Kokopenace is aboriginal himself.



And he claims the trial wasn't fair because aboriginals were underrepresented in the jury pool.



One of the lawyers on appeal is Katherine Hensel, who is acting for the Advocates' Society as amicus. She's an activist for missing and murdered aboriginal women - she participated in British Columbia's inquiry into the subject.



So she's a highly paid lawyer, trying to figure out who's killing aboriginal people in this country. At the same time as she's trying to get a killer and serial assaulter of aboriginal people off the hook.



Incredibly, the Ontario Court of Appeal agreed with the grounds for appeal - they said the jury pool didn't have enough aboriginal people in it, so that was racist.



As if aboriginals can only be judged by aboriginals, white by whites, blacks by blacks, men by men, and women by women.



As proof of this discrimination, the court of appeal noted that about half of people off reserve ignore letters about being on a jury. But 90% of on-reserve Indians do. Despite constant efforts by the government to recruit them.



So obviously, the system is racist. And a killer shouldn't have been convicted, because his trial was obviously racist.



Racist, racist, racist. We're all racist. Except for the one guy who actually murdered an Indian - Clifford Kokopenace.



He's been dumped back into his community, after his 13th time. It won't be the last.



 

happens every day...any one with an ounce of brains knows who is killing aboriginals...you don't have to look very far.......fuck

Anonymous

Quote from: "Obvious Li":howdy:  




This looks like the same editorial that was posted in the thread started by Gary Oak.

Renee

You Canadians; so funny.



You are so afraid that your justice system will become too harsh (like your neighbors to the south) that you have allowed it to swing so far in the other direction that I fear you will never be able to reel it back in again.  ac_umm



Good Luck.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Romero

That's one case dealing with a constitutional issue, Renee. It's not like it happens all the time.



Our justice system is one of the most respected justice systems in the world. It hasn't swung to any extreme.



We're definitely not afraid of our system becoming anything like the US. We don't have the same kind of mentality here.

Renee

Quote from: "Romero"That's one case dealing with a constitutional issue, Renee. It's not like it happens all the time.



Our justice system is one of the most respected justice systems in the world. It hasn't swung to any extreme.



We're definitely not afraid of our system becoming anything like the US. We don't have the same kind of mentality here.


Really??? Dumping a violent repeat offender back into society time after time isn't extreme?



Oh you are right, it's negligent and incompetent; but NOT extreme.  ac_toofunny



BTW, I'm sure this issue is not unique in your justice system. Only the tiniest amount of research disproves your claim.



http://www.straight.com/blogra/canadian-justice-system-so-broken-its-criminal">http://www.straight.com/blogra/canadian ... s-criminal">http://www.straight.com/blogra/canadian-justice-system-so-broken-its-criminal



"So, that about sums it up. Here in modern day Canada, you can violently brutalize, terrorize, beat, rape, and traumatize somebody for hours or even days at a time and then find yourself free on parole a few short years later, at which time you can do it all over again."
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Romero

Hmm, you seem to have read that wrong. I said it was one case and it's not like it happens all the time. I never said it wasn't an extreme case.



I said our justice system hasn't swung to any extreme. One case does not make the entire system.

Renee

Quote from: "Romero"Hmm, you seem to have read that wrong. I said it was one case and it's not like it happens all the time. I never said it wasn't an extreme case.



I said our justice system hasn't swung to any extreme. One case does not make the entire system.


Sorry dude but it kinda looks like there might be more than one case.



I'm sure the liberals want to paint your justice system out as being just fine with punishment fitting the crime while conservatives want to say it's too lenient and that it favors the criminals and ignores the victims.



Like in all things the truth falls somewhere in the middle. That being reality I'm pretty sure violent repeat offenders are released into society more often than you know or want to know.



Hell, it even happens here and we are a lot tougher on criminals than you guys are.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Romero

Quote from: "Renee"Sorry dude but it kinda looks like there might be more than one case.

I never said there wouldn't be more than one case. No justice system is perfect, but ours practically is compared to yours.



Yep, you're a lot "tougher" sending millions of low-level, non-violent offenders to prison for years and years. The US is the world's largest jailer with 25% of the world's prison population. Even though crime has been decreasing, the US prison population is up 700% since 1970. Privatizing the prison system was a great idea!



And of course, minorities are vastly overrepresented because they're more likely to be imprisoned than whites. White privilege!

Renee

Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"Sorry dude but it kinda looks like there might be more than one case.

I never said there wouldn't be more than one case. No justice system is perfect, but ours practically is compared to yours.



Yep, you're a lot "tougher" sending millions of low-level, non-violent offenders to prison for years and years. The US is the world's largest jailer with 25% of the world's prison population. Even though crime has been decreasing, the US prison population is up 700% since 1970. Privatizing the prison system was a great idea!



And of course, minorities are vastly overrepresented because they're more likely to be imprisoned than whites. White privilege!


Idiot, it's because they are more likely to commit crimes due to there socioeconomic situation. That's not just opinion either because the FBI Uniform Crime Reports bare that point of argument out. Unfortunately moon children like you are reality challenged and want to ignore the in your face truth.



You are a lefty loon and discussing anything with you turns into a typical leftward spiraling circle jerk. Go wring your hands and throw hysterics in someone else's face.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Romero

QuoteOne in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.



These are among the many pieces of evidence cited by the Sentencing Project, a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for prison reform, in a report on the staggering racial disparities that permeate the American criminal justice system.



"Racial minorities are more likely than white Americans to be arrested," the report explains. "Once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences."



The problem begins with police activity. According to Justice Department data cited in the report, police arrested black youth for drug crimes at more than twice the rate of white youth between 1980 and 2010, nationwide. Yet a 2012 study from the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that white high-school students were slightly more likely to have abused illegal drugs within the past month than black students of the same age.



Blacks are also far more likely than whites to be stopped by the police while driving. The Sentencing Project report largely attributes the racial disparities in both traffic and drug arrests to "implicit racial bias" on the part of the police.



The disparities don't end with arrests. Because blacks and Latinos are generally poorer than whites, they are more likely to rely on court-appointed public defenders, who tend to work for agencies that are underfunded and understaffed. In 2012, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office, more than 70 percent of public defender offices reported that they were struggling to come up with the funding needed to provide adequate defense services to poor people. By last March, the problem was so bad that Attorney General Eric Holder declared the public defense system to be in a "state of crisis."



Racial disparities within the justice system have been exacerbated by the war on drugs, the report argues. The drug war led the country's population of incarcerated drug offenders to soar from 42,000 in 1980 to nearly half a million in 2007. From 1999 to 2005, African Americans constituted about 13 percent of drug users, but they made up about 46 percent of those convicted for drug offenses, the report points out.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html">//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html

Some things you can't argue about there. 42,000 incarcerated drug offenders in 1980 to nearly half a million in 2007. Has drug use really gone up that much? Nope!



Why are 46% of those convicted for drug offences African American? They're no more likely to use drugs than whites.



Why are public defenders so underfunded and understaffed? Because they can't handle the incredible number of minorities being thrown into the system.

Obvious Li

this is a typical example of an apartheid justice system of preferential treatment based on race....which canada now has and i believe it is the last one anywhere in the world......no matter how well intentioned these idiots on the supreme court were...any child could have told them the results of their decision years before the evidence was in.....they are light years out of touch with reality

Renee

Quote from: "Romero"
QuoteOne in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue.



These are among the many pieces of evidence cited by the Sentencing Project, a Washington, D.C.-based group that advocates for prison reform, in a report on the staggering racial disparities that permeate the American criminal justice system.



"Racial minorities are more likely than white Americans to be arrested," the report explains. "Once arrested, they are more likely to be convicted; and once convicted, they are more likely to face stiff sentences."



The problem begins with police activity. According to Justice Department data cited in the report, police arrested black youth for drug crimes at more than twice the rate of white youth between 1980 and 2010, nationwide. Yet a 2012 study from the National Institute on Drug Abuse found that white high-school students were slightly more likely to have abused illegal drugs within the past month than black students of the same age.



Blacks are also far more likely than whites to be stopped by the police while driving. The Sentencing Project report largely attributes the racial disparities in both traffic and drug arrests to "implicit racial bias" on the part of the police.



The disparities don't end with arrests. Because blacks and Latinos are generally poorer than whites, they are more likely to rely on court-appointed public defenders, who tend to work for agencies that are underfunded and understaffed. In 2012, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office, more than 70 percent of public defender offices reported that they were struggling to come up with the funding needed to provide adequate defense services to poor people. By last March, the problem was so bad that Attorney General Eric Holder declared the public defense system to be in a "state of crisis."



Racial disparities within the justice system have been exacerbated by the war on drugs, the report argues. The drug war led the country's population of incarcerated drug offenders to soar from 42,000 in 1980 to nearly half a million in 2007. From 1999 to 2005, African Americans constituted about 13 percent of drug users, but they made up about 46 percent of those convicted for drug offenses, the report points out.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html">//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html

Some things you can't argue about there. 42,000 incarcerated drug offenders in 1980 to nearly half a million in 2007. Has drug use really gone up that much? Nope!



Why are 46% of those convicted for drug offences African American? They're no more likely to use drugs than whites.



Why are public defenders so underfunded and understaffed? Because they can't handle the incredible number of minorities being thrown into the system.


Yes if it is in the Huff and Puff or some other leftard blog it must be true ac_toofunny . I suppose it goes without saying that you are a gullible, starry eyed, idiot.



Maybe you should ask yourself why more minorities are thrown into the system and look beyond that vast "white" wing conspiracy shit that has been burned into your race baiting brain. Unfortunately you are neither smart enough or willing enough to recognize the social ills and the educational disparities that are the root causes of the problem.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Anonymous

Quote from: "Renee"You Canadians; so funny.



You are so afraid that your justice system will become too harsh (like your neighbors to the south) that you have allowed it to swing so far in the other direction that I fear you will never be able to reel it back in again.  ac_umm



Good Luck.

Yes and no. Aboriginals getting special privileges according to the law is nothing new in Canada. It sucks, but every single white politician is scared shitless of addressing the problem.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Obvious Li"this is a typical example of an apartheid justice system of preferential treatment based on race....which canada now has and i believe it is the last one anywhere in the world......no matter how well intentioned these idiots on the supreme court were...any child could have told them the results of their decision years before the evidence was in.....they are light years out of touch with reality

Do you know if preferential treatment when it comes to sentencing for Native-Canadians is working?



I mean is it helping to reduce the rate of recidivism among our Native population?



If it is working then why not incorporate it into the overall justice system?

Obvious Li

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"this is a typical example of an apartheid justice system of preferential treatment based on race....which canada now has and i believe it is the last one anywhere in the world......no matter how well intentioned these idiots on the supreme court were...any child could have told them the results of their decision years before the evidence was in.....they are light years out of touch with reality

Do you know if preferential treatment when it comes to sentencing for Native-Canadians is working?



I mean is it helping to reduce the rate of recidivism among our Native population?



If it is working then why not incorporate it into the overall justice system?




anecdotally i can say it is definitely not working.....natives face little or no deterrent to commiting an endless array of crimes knowing full well their punishment will range from little to none...police no longer even charge natives for minor criminal offenses as it is a waste of their limited resources.... most native crime is native on native so you would think the native community would be the most critical.....not so.....very similar reaction regarding violence against aboriginal women you read so much about these days...no one in the native community wants to turn too many rocks over....it may reveal the truth