Collusion between Biden administration and big pharma

[Lokmar]

Ahh, we've at the ad hominem part of the discussion I see.

I've had a few beers, I don't mind admitting it. And whatever level my inebriation may or may not be, I can still recognise the excuse of "well he didn't know when he came to office" does sweet fuck nothing to change the fact that various interests played him like a fiddle. They owned him.

Now, before you go completely apeshit and start screaming epithets and protests that this is assuredly not the case, take a moment to save yourself a little face. Step away from the computer, go to the bedroom, open the closet and regard the clothes within.

You think any of that knows you own it? I put it to you that it doesn't know very much at all. All of it... the computer, the closet, that fluffy pink banana hammock you like to strangle your brain with... all inanimate and therefore quite oblivious to even the dimmest realization of the concept of ownership. Does the absence of it's understanding change the fact that you own it? No, it doesn't, does it? And it all does exactly what you want it to do because you own it. Well, at least until one of your hairy micronuts breaks out of the gusset when you're cracking a fat.

Same holds true for an elected official who finds himself pushed in the direction of facilitating the payment for an experimental treatment for a case of the sniffles that ends up killing less people than the road toll... an experimental sauce that Big Pharma had already planned to offer up so they might fatten their piggy banks. In Trump's case we know he was wanting to throw his weight behind Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine. Instead we get Operation Warp Speed, a taxpayer funded cashcow handed over however willingly or grudgingly to the people pulling his and everyone else's strings.

They owned him, they made him do exactly what they wanted from him. Just like you and your fruity little banana hammock. Don't come prancing about here like a cheap asian knockoff of a Richard Simmonds bobblehead doll, singing songs about he's the only POTUS not to have been owned by those pigfucking ratbags in Pharma and not expect me to garotte your hairless asian buttocks with a short, sharp yank to your backstraps, boy.

If you want to argue he is getting out from underneath that... that's an entirely different discussion we can have. But while I can think of a lot of things I admire about the guy, dangling at the end of Big Pharma's strings and doing their bidding isn't one of them.

You get it now? Do you need a fresh packet of crayons to chew on while you contemplate the logic of the argument and perhaps the inadvisability of engaging in ad-hominem with someone that can run rings around you with both?

Just like incest, ad hominem IS THE BEST!!!!

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Just like incest, ad hominem IS THE BEST!!!!

Yeah, I would have been happy with a civil and rational discussion on the topic. Still am. I'm not so far gone that I'm incapable of it, especially given I understand it's the preferred lingua franca of DKG.

I'm content to take my cue from Brent's response as to which, if any, direction this discussion takes.

[Shen Li]

I don't think Trump was owned by anyone either despite what the Democrats say.

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Ahh, then Operation Warp Speed was just him handing a ton of taxpayer money to the pharmaceutical companies "out of the goodness of his heart". Yeah, that must be it. Nothing to see here, the party faithful have declared it thusly, move along, move along.

Jeesh, if it had have been Biden who'd authored that deal, y'all would be tearing strips off him.

[DKG]

Ahh, then Operation Warp Speed was just him handing a ton of taxpayer money to the pharmaceutical companies "out of the goodness of his heart". Yeah, that must be it. Nothing to see here, the party faithful have declared it thusly, move along, move along.

Jeesh, if it had have been Biden who'd authored that deal, y'all would be tearing strips off him.

I am as cheap as a person can get with taxpayer money but due to the mass hysteria at the time I believed they could produce a good vaccine without following the normal channels.

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I am as cheap as a person can get with taxpayer money but due to the mass hysteria at the time I believed they could produce a good vaccine without following the normal channels.

You weren't alone, plenty thought that. The 24/7 news cycle were brainwashing it into everyone who would pay attention to it on a 20 minute repeat for month after month.

What you weren't aware of was that of the minimal tests that were done (eight laboratory rats) ALL specimens died from the treatment. This fact was suppressed under the auspices of it being "medical misinformation", finally admitted to openly by a representative from Pfizer in a European symposium and immediately memory-holed by the media.

What you were clearly also not aware of was there were medicines that had already been appropriately tested and found to be relatively benign for human use that were in use for other infections which were repurposed and showing promise in clinical trials for China Virus infectees as early as March 2020. Indeed, one of those treatments (Ivermectin) had garnered its developing scientists a Nobel Prize in 2015 after decades of use on humans as an anti-parasitic. Yes, there was a variant for equine use; that was not the one that was being used. Again, the media were employed to deceive you.

You likely were also unaware of the Obama connection. The gain of function research into Covid was being conducted on US soil up until the mid 20-teens when blowback from some scientists resulted in Barry assuring all that such research would be terminated. Whereupon it was shifted to the Wuhan Virology lab in full.

The rest? Well you could have figured out for yourself that fuckery was afoot.. if you cared to. My guess is that you didn't care; that it was easier to take the word of "the authorities" over the rest of us who were paying attention and all be screaming "no, don't take it" as athletes started dropping dead within days of being injected. While the media assured us all this was perfectly normal and nothing to do with the jab. Also where you could get a free pack of fries and a joint for rolling up your sleeve, as if such incentives might be needed for a product that was as safe and efficacious as they purported it to be.

Now you know better. Hindsight, as they say, is a 20/20 science. Which is a bit of a kicker when you consider that pharmaceutical companies have done this sort of shit before, introducing new and improperly tested product to market. Thalidomide, the MMR... shit, theyre still at it with thing like Ozempic.

I'm not a doctor, but I have heard enough to know there is no such thing as a "one size fits all" when it comes to medicine. People are being hit from an early age with the most mind-buggering array of chemicals and the cowboys in the pharmaceutical industry are constantly coming up with new compounds to throw at us. It's a wonder some of us have any immune systems left at all, especially now that genetically modified organisms have been expanded to include humans. I'm reminded of the Harkonnen from Dune, infected with all manner of diseases and kept subservient and in check to the Baron who can, at a whim, refuse them their medicine. Assuming he doesn't simply rip your heart plug out for the sexual gratification of watching you bleed out in front of him.

I've known since I was eight years old that a cure for the common cold is not possible due to its ability to mutate faster than our testing can compete with. I know because I asked. The Coronavirus and Rhinovirus pathogens constitute the vast preponderance of "common colds" that we all have experienced across our lives and down through the generations. They mutate to get around the body's immune system, they mutate to get around any therapy we might administer. Occasionally (and only after a great deal of study and testing) someone will discover something to treat a pathogen so effectively that the disease is all but eradicated.

Clearly that is not what happened here. Variant after variant has been named until they'd burned through the Greek alphabet and were contemplating naming them after Antarctic islands, yet the same experimental compounds the FDA granted "emergency use authorization" for after effectively banning everything else on the market that was proving useful is still being employed to this day. The compounds that were set to target the initial outbreak and presumably already worthless now the virus has adapted itself to. The ones the democrats said they would never use "because we'd never trust a Donald Trump medicine" only to flipflop the moment they got to power.

The ones taxpayer dollars the world over paid for.

I'll tell you this much for nothing; the next time one of these mass-hysteria campaigns are being waged it's going to be fucking hard for me not to flip the bird out of pure instinct. Anyone want to let the orchestrators of such an event leash them by virtue of the mortal terror of what might happen if they don't comply? That's on you if you want to go that route, but that IS a case of those ratbags owning you. Calling the spade a spade here... as Joaquin Phoenix was once heard to remark...