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Why We Have Had it With Canada and are Seeking a Divorce

Started by Herman, June 09, 2025, 06:51:16 PM

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Herman

This was written by a gal named Kim Rose after returning from a visit to family in Ontario.

Why does Alberta want to separate?

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The primary reason is taxation without representation. Alberta continues to pay millions of dollars to provinces like Ontario and Quebec without equal representation at the table in Ottawa. Would you want to give a large portion of your pay cheque without a voice as to how you spend your money?  Imagine you work 40 hours a week, bring home 500 dollars to have your mom take a huge percentage give it to your brothers and sisters and you don't even get to choose an item for dinner at the grocery store?  This may be a very simplistic view but it is very similar.

Alberta continues to pay large equalization payments and yet due to the skewed way our electoral system is set up we have very few seats to sit in Ottawa. Alberta holds 9.6% of the seats yet we PAY over 9 billion dollars a year in payments and receive ZERO in equalization payments and Ontario holds 34% of the seats and pays ZERO but RECEIVES 546 MILLION dollars?  Why should a fairly fiscally (we aren't perfect) responsible Province continue to be the "bank" for the province in Canada with the most votes while our voices are not welcomed nor heard? Why are we constantly being asked to contribute as an adult but forced to sit at the kids table?  We are a province without a sales tax and yet we still manage to support a huge portion of the population of Canada.

So please when you think Albertans are whiny rednecks, just remember Alberta pays a lot of bills to keep the lights on in this country and all we are asking for is fair treatment but we feel the rest of the nation just wants to keep their hands out and neglect the hard working people of our province. Many of us do want a Canada that includes Alberta, but unless things change, many of us will be marking our referendum ballot with a very strong yes. Not for separation but FOR Alberta!  I may have been born and raised in Ontario but I am now a true blue Albertan with dusty boots and yes I am a proud whiny redneck.
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Herman

Kim is right, but it is only part of the reason. We prairie folk ain't allowed to develop our own resources and make our folks richer like other provinces can.

Ottawa, and I mean the Liberals steps on the exclusive jurisdictions of Edmonton and Regina. They do not do that to Toronto, Quebec City or St Johns. Just our prairie provinces. It's unconstituional, but the Liberals don't care.

Herman

Ottawa's new law for provinces opting out of pension plan.
Freedom is closing doors on Alberta and Saskatchewan.
If passed, Bill C-387 would require a province leaving the CPP to receive support from two-thirds of the country's premiers..
Now you see why the 51st state makes sense


Thiel

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gay, conservative and proud

Herman

Canada is a small market...
 Alberta's exports represent 53.1% of its Gross Domestic Product ($344.7 billion for 2024).
Given Alberta's population of 4.9 million people, its total CDN$183.2 billion in 2024 exports translates to roughly $37,500 for every resident.
** The following list shows the top 10 customers that purchased 96.4% worth of the total value of products exported from the province of Alberta during 2024:
•  United States: CDN$162.1 billion (88.5% of Alberta's total exports)
• mainland China: $6.7 billion (3.7%)
• Japan: $2.7 billion (1.5%)
• South Korea: $1.2 billion (0.6%)
• Mexico: $792.9 million (0.4%)
• Peru: $771.6 million (0.4%)
• Singapore: $668.5 million (0.4%)
• India: $620.1 million (0.3%)
• Hong Kong: $553.9 million (0.3%)
• Netherlands: $523.9 million (0.3%)
  Source:
https://www.worldstopexports.com/albertas-top-exports/



Herman

Alberta will never reach its full potential within Canada. Not as it's structured, & not even if it could be restructured.

DKG

Quote from: Herman on June 17, 2025, 06:37:34 PMCanada is screwed.

Public debt is bad. Unlike the US, we will have to pay it back.

But, what alarms me the most is how indebted Canadians are. We carry the highest consumer debt in the world.
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Herman

Vancouver MP and NDP Interim leader introduced a bill that would ban oil and gas from the grid in less than five years.

Make no mistake, Conman Carney supports this shit that would make your energy bills unaffordable and your spotty at best.

Herman

Executive summary:
An independent Alberta would reshape its fiscal and environmental landscape by retaining $68-75 billion in annual federal tax contribution, yielding a net gain of $44-47 billion after accounting for $22-26 billion in federal transfer.

Combined with provincial revenues of $74.1 billion (2025-26) and an Alberta Pension Plan (APP) generating $23.34 billion annually from a $183.7 billion asset base, total revenue reach $142.1-149.1 billion.
Expenditures, including $75.3 billion for provincial services and $22.7- 31.6 billion to replace federal service ( e.g. defense, policing, Indigenous service), total $98-106.9 billion, with one-time setup costs of $2.8-5.7 billion.

This results in a fiscal surplus of $29.4 -48.3 billion (excluding setup) or $23.6-45.5 billion ( including setup), enabling significant tax reductions, infrastructure investment, and debt reduction.

Brent

The Alberta premier knows there are many people who voted for her UCP, the party she leads, the party governing Alberta, who would cast a Yes vote for Alberta leaving Canada if they had a referendum ballot in their hand today.

They are not all separatists.

More than a few are just sick and tired of Liberal Ottawa not listening to Alberta, not taking Alberta seriously, not dealing with long-standing legitimate grievances.

They would vote Yes as the last and loudest attempt to get through the thick skulls of those calling the shots down east in the Carney cocoon.

"I hope he takes the separatist sentiment as seriously as I do," says Smith on Tuesday in Calgary.

Yes, Smith does say the reason for the rise in separatist feeling is because of bad policies cooked up in Liberal Ottawa and thrown in Alberta's face.

She mentions the bad policies every time she talks to Carney. She tells him to get rid of them and investors will invest and take on major projects.

Crickets from Carney.

Herman

This is an eye opener.

Imagine an Alberta that Separated in 1975 and invested 50 years of Quebec Equalization in Alberta?

What would the $600 Billion lost be worth today if properly invested in Alberta and Albertans?

DKG

While Canadian media remains silent, CNN just published an in-depth feature on Alberta's independence movement (last week they made the headlines in the Wall Street Journal), showcasing the growing momentum to a global audience.

"In oil-rich Alberta, where a movement for independence from Canada appears to be gathering steam..." the article begins, highlighting the rallies, the supporters, and momentum.

CNN reports that "a third of Albertans currently support independence" - a number that continues to climb as more citizens recognize the possibilities of sovereignty.

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