Trump sold out.....

[Biggie Smiles]

Are you on drugs? Literally speaking;I'm earnestly asking. 

I don't do drugs

[Dove]

It's so preposterous on it's face it simply cannot be countered to any quantifiable degree. It's like arguing that Darth Vader, luke sky-walker and the Millennium falcon really exist. it's cute for the first 15 seconds of a debate but when you begin to realize that your opponent really really believes this nonsense it kinda gets terrifying -- as in a --- I sure hope no one that thinks like you do lives within a 100 miles of my home.

To say that one of the tiniest nations on the planet  -- people who have gone through generation after generation of persecution and displacement at the hands of foreign invaders are somehow in control of EVERYTHING is quite fucking laughable on it's face

but then again, so is believing that we all live on a floating pizza pie

I mean, for what purpose would any entity, public or private, invest BILLIONS into doctoring photos, videos, astronaut testimony etc etc etc

hell, you can look up into the sky and see with your own eyes spherical shaped objects -- but earth? the only known habitat for life is a fucking Frisbee? LMAO -- I dunno where these people get this shit 

The flat earth shit is wild lol.

And who even cares?! What changes if we find out we are on some floating disc with an ice wall and firmament holding back space waters?

We still gotta pay taxes and go to work. Nothing changes. 

[Biggie Smiles]

You fail to remember what the US did to Iran and numerous other nations in the ME and South America in the 60's and 70's. Why is that... convenience?

And you also fail to remember what Israel did to the USS Liberty in the 60's ostensibly to draw it into a conflict which failed but has been reanimated in 2025-2026.

Why is that? That your memory is so short circuited, missing, or otherwise,

If memory serves Trump disliked Iran and felt we should bomb them when he was in his early thirties.

Was he under the mind control of the evil Jew back then too?

[Reggie Essent]

Had we took out the Islamic occupation in Iran to begin with, we would have crippled and dealt with Islam much faster.

 Leaving them standing was lollygagging with an enemy that will never back off.

 The whole anti Isreal stuff is so bizzare to me i dont even know how to counter it. It's like some sort of unhinged psyop to me and im blaming Islamic subversion for it lol 

Had we took out the Islamist regime in Tehran back in the 80s, perhaps the whole Al Queda 9/11 Iraq and Afghanistan shit wouldn't have happened. 

Think on that.

Trump doing this now, finally, will save a lot of difficulties down the road for all of us.  Just sayin'.

[Shen Li]

the attacks on some of his prior ardent supporters because they disagreed with the manner and rationale of his policies really poisoned my well

This is why I don't support universal suffrage, especially for whites. Normal people(Asians) care about policy and results. whites put personality ahead of substance.

[Shen Li]

Had we took out the Islamist regime in Tehran back in the 80s, perhaps the whole Al Queda 9/11 Iraq and Afghanistan shit wouldn't have happened. 

Think on that.

Trump doing this now, finally, will save a lot of difficulties down the road for all of us.  Just sayin'.

Al Q is Sunni. They hate Shia Iran.

[Biggie Smiles]

The flat earth shit is wild lol.

And who even cares?! What changes if we find out we are on some floating disc with an ice wall and firmament holding back space waters?

We still gotta pay taxes and go to work. Nothing changes. 

that's exactly what I'm saying.

it's fucking stupid to even argue about. So let's just say for the sake of a pointless argument that the curtain is lifted and boom we all suddenly are shown irrefutable evidence that the earth is indeed flat. Okay... aaaaaaand? What's going to change?

absolutely nothing.

and that's the whole point. our government, the elites -- whomever are not going to go through the trouble to conceal something that irrelevant for DECADES -- there is ZERO R.O.I on a lie like that  -- and where there is no ROI there is no effort nor financial backing to continue with the facade.

So you can show me all the fancy little ice wall stories, pictures doctored by some clown in the antarctic, your sea line calculator.. the stupid horizon theory.. etc etc.... once you cannot breach the most basic hurdle in logic you've lost me.

[Dove]

Not me

no boots on the ground. Drones missiles, nukes.. whatever, but when soldiers start rolling in on the ground and begin to die he loses my support entirely

Sorry.. Ive seen this bullshit shitshow play out too many times to sign on again. I don't care who's in charge

I get it. But had we taken this regime out 20 years ago it would have played out differently.

Im still disgusted how we pulled out of Afghanistan and gave our equipment to our enemies.

That's the thing about the US, we always have election cycles and we are driving this ship. We elect different leaders who have different purposes and ways of handling business and im trusting the one we have in there now.

He has been very consistent on his position on Iran. He has had a good understanding of it for a long time.

Of course I understand why so many people have a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to war in the middle east.

[Reggie Essent]

You fail to remember what the US did to Iran and numerous other nations in the ME and South America in the 60's and 70's. Why is that... convenience?

And you also fail to remember what Israel did to the USS Liberty in the 60's ostensibly to draw it into a conflict which failed but has been reanimated in 2025-2026.

Why is that? That your memory is so short circuited, missing, or otherwise,

I agree that taking out Mosadeg or whatever and installing the Shah way the fuck back before I was even born was probably not a Kosher thing to do.

I'm over the Liberty thing. If it was an operation to draw us into a war, it  failed.  I am not inclined to believe that the Israelis are directing the foreign policy of the US.  There are shared goals to be sure.  That how alliances work.

What has any of that got to do with the present situation?

[Shen Li]

that's exactly what I'm saying.

it's fucking stupid to even argue about. So let's just say for the sake of a pointless argument that the curtain is lifted and boom we all suddenly are shown irrefutable evidence that the earth is indeed flat. Okay... aaaaaaand? What's going to change?

absolutely nothing.

and that's the whole point. our government, the elites -- whomever are not going to go through the trouble to conceal something that irrelevant for DECADES -- there is ZERO R.O.I on a lie like that  -- and where there is no ROI there is no effort nor financial backing to continue with the facade.

So you can show me all the fancy little ice wall stories, pictures doctored by some clown in the antarctic, your sea line calculator.. the stupid horizon theory.. etc etc.... once you cannot breach the most basic hurdle in logic you've lost me.

Back in Canada people are dying because they can't get medical care. Something 10% of families rely on food banks. There is a critical housing shortage because of immigration invasion.

The shape of the globe doesn't even register as a thought never mind a concern for people back in Canada.

[Frood]

Not me

no boots on the ground. Drones missiles, nukes.. whatever, but when soldiers start rolling in on the ground and begin to die he loses my support entirely

Sorry.. Ive seen this bullshit shitshow play out too many times to sign on again. I don't care who's in charge

You would kill potentially millions of innocent non combatants with nukes, some of which want a regime change, just to save a pittance of US soldiers who signed up for bloodshed or supporting roles in it?

Are you fucking insane?

And has it not dawned on you that the ONLY nation to use a fissable weapon on another was the US at the tail end of WW2, and for no other reason except for a satanic one, so if the US does it again or allows Israel to do it, M.A D. unravels and first in best nuclear dressed prevails. India and Pakistan can go at until China ends one or both of them, the US steps in first or last along with Russia, and who the fuck cares about Europe anymore...but France, Germany, England might settle old scores.... in any viable place left that Russia didn't first strike.... then consider South Africa's missing suitcase nukes and how nobody will either say where they went or how.

This is a catastrophic humanity ending shit show in the making and you've got pom pom's and a skirt on for it 

[Biggie Smiles]

I get it. But had we taken this regime out 20 years ago it would have played out differently.

Im still disgusted how we pulled out of Afghanistan and gave our equipment to our enemies.

That's the thing about the US, we always have election cycles and we are driving this ship. We elect different leaders who have different purposes and ways of handling business and im trusting the one we have in there now.

He has been very consistent on his position on Iran. He has had a good understanding of it for a long time.

Of course I understand why so many people have a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to war in the middle east.

you're right. Had we done that things might be different today

but In my mind we, as a society have exhausted that angle and I'm just not willing to throw away any more young lives on the premise that "this time it will be different" -- I don't believe that. within 10 months Trump will be hamstrung by a once again divided government with a bunch of crazies influencing outcomes

nope. no american lives on the ground and there isn't a soul on earth, trump himself included, that can convince me otherwise. He puts boots on the ground I don't care if it's Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul on the ticket for the republican party for 2028 -- I'm sitting it out.

[Reggie Essent]

Al Q is Sunni. They hate Shia Iran.

Islam is Islam.  Their internecine disagreements mean nothing when both sides of the Shia/Sunni schism have the same goal of Islaming the whole world.

[Frood]

I agree that taking out Mosadeg or whatever and installing the Shah way the fuck back before I was even born was probably not a Kosher thing to do.

I'm over the Liberty thing. If it was an operation to draw us into a war, it  failed.  I am not inclined to believe that the Israelis are directing the foreign policy of the US.  There are shared goals to be sure.  That how alliances work.

What has any of that got to do with the present situation?

Because the nation of Istael on the leadership level never stopped and it is persistent in its long goals. By hook or crook, it demands.

[Dove]

that's exactly what I'm saying.

it's fucking stupid to even argue about. So let's just say for the sake of a pointless argument that the curtain is lifted and boom we all suddenly are shown irrefutable evidence that the earth is indeed flat. Okay... aaaaaaand? What's going to change?

absolutely nothing.

and that's the whole point. our government, the elites -- whomever are not going to go through the trouble to conceal something that irrelevant for DECADES -- there is ZERO R.O.I on a lie like that  -- and where there is no ROI there is no effort nor financial backing to continue with the facade.

So you can show me all the fancy little ice wall stories, pictures doctored by some clown in the antarctic, your sea line calculator.. the stupid horizon theory.. etc etc.... once you cannot breach the most basic hurdle in logic you've lost me.

Im jealous of the flat earthers. You never met anyone who kinda believeit's, right? These people are COMMITTED to this. Passionate about it.

And they have A LOT of time to spend thinking about it, discussing it, and creating entire maps of it.

Some denominations believe that beyond the ice wall, there are more continents and oceans. And animals we haven't seen. Of course there are maps of the lands beyond the ice wall.

They fascinate and exhaust me lol.

But yep I have asked "So what does this change if its true?" Because absolutely nothing changes. We still have to live here. We can't DO anything. We have no choice but to just keep living our lives. Its probably best we dont know because then people would panick over it and buy all the toilet paper again lol.

Like if we all found out we really were being controlled and ran by some cabal of elite reptilian jews....I suppose we could do something with that information. That might shake things up for us. We could find ways to act upon that.

But the earth being flat? Outer space being some giant, horrific ocean? We can't do fuck all about that lol.