The Great Abortion Debate

[Anonymous]

Planned Parenthood is a racist redundant organization receiving $530 million in US federal funding. Planned Parenthood spends taxpayer money on politics and elections through its federal political action committee, the Planned Parenthood Action Fund; through its Super PAC. In the 2014 election cycle, Planned Parenthood spent US$6,587,100 on contributions to candidates and political parties and on independent expenditures.



Cut off their allowance. They already raise about $800 million through other sources anyway.

[Anonymous]

Not understanding. Accepted compensation for fetal tissue? Are you saying they accepted $$ for their aborted fetuses? As I recall abortions cannot take place after 90 days of inception? Would this be wrong related to cancer research? What else would this fetal tissue be used for?

You're an American and you didn't know this shit.

The consent form patients at Planned Parenthood sign if they choose to donate fetal tissue after an abortion explains that such tissue has been used in research on diabetes, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, cancer and AIDS. Women are asked to initial several parts of the form, including a line that reads: "I agree to give my blood and/or the tissue from the abortion as a gift to be used for education, research or treatment."



The reality, however, is that Planned Parenthood – or any abortion provider – has only a limited ability to specify the purpose for which fetal tissue will ultimately be used. Even Planned Parenthood seems to tacitly acknowledge this in its form, another section of which requires women to initial a line that reads: "I understand I have no control over who will get the donated blood and/or tissue or what it will be used for."



 Planned Parenthood fetal tissue consent form

Click for larger image of the Planned Parenthood consent form

In fact, nothing prevents fetal tissue from being used for purposes that would not be considered medical, such as research to develop cosmetics. And even though such practices aren't illegal, it is unclear that women understand the possibilities when they sign the donation consent forms.



The topic of fetal tissue donation has come to light amid a series of videos released by the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group that accused Planned Parenthood of selling fetal tissue for profit and of altering the way it performs abortions in order to gather more intact specimens.



The women's health care provider has denied any wrongdoing and commissioned a study that showed the videos are heavily edited and manipulated. The issue has become a talking point for Republican presidential candidates and is likely to fuel arguments over federal funding for Planned Parenthood.



But less attention has been paid to the regulation of third-party companies that collect the tissue and blood from abortion providers and process and sell the materials to researchers.



"I've certainly seen things on the tapes that have given me pause, but is it enough to close Planned Parenthood? No," says Arthur Caplan, founding director of the division of medical ethics at New York University's Langone Medical Center's Department of Population Health. "Could Congress improve the ways we get fetal tissue in this country? Yes." He points to the fact that there is no information on whether fetal tissue can be imported from other countries, and to the lack of guidance as to the purposes for which tissue can be used.



Because the Food and Drug Administration does not require cosmetic companies to list ingredients, it is difficult to quantify whether, or how often, fetal tissue is used to develop them. In 2009, Neocutis Inc., a skincare company, openly admitted that it had used cells derived from an aborted fetus in Switzerland to make its products, which the company says go toward helping patients with severe wounds and burns, but also to fight skin aging. Company spokespeople said the tissue was collected ethically in Switzerland, following all of the country's organ donation laws. The abortion, they wrote, was deemed medically necessary by doctors because the fetus would not survive to term, and the parents opted to donate the tissue.  

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/04/beyond-abortion-and-planned-parenthood-regulating-fetal-tissue">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... tal-tissue">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/04/beyond-abortion-and-planned-parenthood-regulating-fetal-tissue

[Twenty Dollars]

Not understanding. Accepted compensation for fetal tissue? Are you saying they accepted $$ for their aborted fetuses? As I recall abortions cannot take place after 90 days of inception? Would this be wrong related to cancer research? What else would this fetal tissue be used for?

You're an American and you didn't know this shit.

The consent form patients at Planned Parenthood sign if they choose to donate fetal tissue after an abortion explains that such tissue has been used in research on diabetes, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, cancer and AIDS. Women are asked to initial several parts of the form, including a line that reads: "I agree to give my blood and/or the tissue from the abortion as a gift to be used for education, research or treatment."



The reality, however, is that Planned Parenthood – or any abortion provider – has only a limited ability to specify the purpose for which fetal tissue will ultimately be used. Even Planned Parenthood seems to tacitly acknowledge this in its form, another section of which requires women to initial a line that reads: "I understand I have no control over who will get the donated blood and/or tissue or what it will be used for."



 Planned Parenthood fetal tissue consent form

Click for larger image of the Planned Parenthood consent form

In fact, nothing prevents fetal tissue from being used for purposes that would not be considered medical, such as research to develop cosmetics. And even though such practices aren't illegal, it is unclear that women understand the possibilities when they sign the donation consent forms.



The topic of fetal tissue donation has come to light amid a series of videos released by the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group that accused Planned Parenthood of selling fetal tissue for profit and of altering the way it performs abortions in order to gather more intact specimens.



The women's health care provider has denied any wrongdoing and commissioned a study that showed the videos are heavily edited and manipulated. The issue has become a talking point for Republican presidential candidates and is likely to fuel arguments over federal funding for Planned Parenthood.



But less attention has been paid to the regulation of third-party companies that collect the tissue and blood from abortion providers and process and sell the materials to researchers.



"I've certainly seen things on the tapes that have given me pause, but is it enough to close Planned Parenthood? No," says Arthur Caplan, founding director of the division of medical ethics at New York University's Langone Medical Center's Department of Population Health. "Could Congress improve the ways we get fetal tissue in this country? Yes." He points to the fact that there is no information on whether fetal tissue can be imported from other countries, and to the lack of guidance as to the purposes for which tissue can be used.



Because the Food and Drug Administration does not require cosmetic companies to list ingredients, it is difficult to quantify whether, or how often, fetal tissue is used to develop them. In 2009, Neocutis Inc., a skincare company, openly admitted that it had used cells derived from an aborted fetus in Switzerland to make its products, which the company says go toward helping patients with severe wounds and burns, but also to fight skin aging. Company spokespeople said the tissue was collected ethically in Switzerland, following all of the country's organ donation laws. The abortion, they wrote, was deemed medically necessary by doctors because the fetus would not survive to term, and the parents opted to donate the tissue.  

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/04/beyond-abortion-and-planned-parenthood-regulating-fetal-tissue">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... tal-tissue">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/09/04/beyond-abortion-and-planned-parenthood-regulating-fetal-tissue

I see. Then I am 100% for the research. Why the fuck not? You decided to abort. To me using the fetal tissue for research is positive, as opposed to flushing it down the toilet. Duh.

[Anonymous]

^Hey, if they can make money for cosmetics companies in the process, have at it right. I have no problem with PP making money off of aborted fetal tissue. After all, China harvests the organs of those executed. However, PP should not receive taxpayer funding.

[Twenty Dollars]

^Hey, if they can make money for cosmetics companies in the process, have at it right. I have no problem with PP making money off of aborted fetal tissue. After all, China harvests the organs of those executed. However, PP should not receive taxpayer funding.

1. They don't use them for such things. I call bullshit. Right wing/anti abortion propaganda like the phony photog who failed big time.

2. When you had yours, did the fetus get flushed?

3. Asian are barbarians anyway. Vital organs are harvested in lots of countries. Many times the donor is paid well and willing.

[Anonymous]

^Hey, if they can make money for cosmetics companies in the process, have at it right. I have no problem with PP making money off of aborted fetal tissue. After all, China harvests the organs of those executed. However, PP should not receive taxpayer funding.

1. They don't use them for such things. I call bullshit. Right wing/anti abortion propaganda like the phony photog who failed big time.

2. When you had yours, did the fetus get flushed?

3. Asian are barbarians anyway. Vital organs are harvested in lots of countries. Many times the donor is paid well and willing.

1. PP doesn't deny aborted fetal tissues are used for "research" purposes. Blaming "right wing"(whatever that is) won't wash this time. Pro PP media knows it too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/planned-parenthood-to-forgo-payment-for-fetal-tissue-programs.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/pl ... .html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/planned-parenthood-to-forgo-payment-for-fetal-tissue-programs.html?_r=0

http://theweek.com/articles/584576/how-fetal-tissue-used-medical-research">http://theweek.com/articles/584576/how- ... l-research">http://theweek.com/articles/584576/how-fetal-tissue-used-medical-research

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-payments">http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... e-payments">http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/15/planned-parenthood-fetal-tissue-payments



Again, I have no problem with PP going back to accepting cash for fetal tissue, but the federal funding needs to go bye bye.



2. I have never had an abortion.



3. China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known. We Han Chinese are the largest tribe on earth and the most evolved. White Europeans are neophytes. Any ideas that we have adopted from the West(socialism) have been poison compared  to our superior Confucian ideals.

[RW]

Yes Shen, fetal tissue is used for researching chemicals we put in and on our bodies.  WTF did you think they do with it?  Toss it around a lab like a football for shits and giggles?

[Anonymous]

Yes Shen, fetal tissue is used for researching chemicals we put in and on our bodies.  WTF did you think they do with it?  Toss it around a lab like a football for shits and giggles?

I'm not a bible thumper like Fash, I have no problem with this. Just like I have no problem with China harvesting tissue and organs from executed criminals.

[Twenty Dollars]

I've not read all 22 pages to this thread. Are there folks against abortion here? Planned Parenthood and abortion are 2 great things to occur in Merica. The whole issue of selling infant parts and organs turned out to be total bullshit. That photg who made this claim with phony photos should be put in jail.

I am pro life as is Dove..



But, even pro choice posters like Shen Li and Renee are critical of PP..



And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue..



They stopped it for a while, but I would assume they will  start again.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-par ... 1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800]Planned Parenthood Federation of America said it will immediately stop accepting reimbursements for supplying fetal tissue for medical research, an attempt to tamp down a controversy that has led to Republican investigations in Congress and an effort to end federal funding.

Maybe I was confused by this post. "And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue". Looks like she was speaking of you and Rene.

[RW]

Sorry I didn't mean to come across as being bitchy.  I wrote that with a smile because I was being a smart ass.



It seems like we are happy to have advancements in science but don't want to acknowledge what gets us there.

[RW]

I've not read all 22 pages to this thread. Are there folks against abortion here? Planned Parenthood and abortion are 2 great things to occur in Merica. The whole issue of selling infant parts and organs turned out to be total bullshit. That photg who made this claim with phony photos should be put in jail.

I am pro life as is Dove..



But, even pro choice posters like Shen Li and Renee are critical of PP..



And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue..



They stopped it for a while, but I would assume they will  start again.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-par ... 1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800]Planned Parenthood Federation of America said it will immediately stop accepting reimbursements for supplying fetal tissue for medical research, an attempt to tamp down a controversy that has led to Republican investigations in Congress and an effort to end federal funding.

Maybe I was confused by this post. "And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue". Looks like she was speaking of you and Rene.

What are you saying exactly?

[Anonymous]

^Such great comedic ability and yet it hasn't earned you a fucking dime.  



EDIT,



Not you RW.

[Anonymous]

I've not read all 22 pages to this thread. Are there folks against abortion here? Planned Parenthood and abortion are 2 great things to occur in Merica. The whole issue of selling infant parts and organs turned out to be total bullshit. That photg who made this claim with phony photos should be put in jail.

I am pro life as is Dove..



But, even pro choice posters like Shen Li and Renee are critical of PP..



And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue..



They stopped it for a while, but I would assume they will  start again.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-par ... 1444744800">http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-stops-taking-reimbursements-for-fetal-tissue-1444744800]Planned Parenthood Federation of America said it will immediately stop accepting reimbursements for supplying fetal tissue for medical research, an attempt to tamp down a controversy that has led to Republican investigations in Congress and an effort to end federal funding.

Maybe I was confused by this post. "And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue". Looks like she was speaking of you and Rene.

What are you saying exactly?

That Renee and I have had abortions and it was good for mankind.....YAWN!!

[RW]

But he replied to Fash with that.



What's up Twenty Bucks?  What's got your knickers in a knot?

[Anonymous]

But he replied to Fash with that.



What's up Twenty Bucks?  What's got your knickers in a knot?

Twenty Dollars wrote:

Shen Li wrote:

^Hey, if they can make money for cosmetics companies in the process, have at it right. I have no problem with PP making money off of aborted fetal tissue. After all, China harvests the organs of those executed. However, PP should not receive taxpayer funding.



1. They don't use them for such things. I call bullshit. Right wing/anti abortion propaganda like the phony photog who failed big time.

2. When you had yours, did the fetus get flushed?

You decided to abort.

And they have accepted compensation for fetal tissue". Looks like she was speaking of you and Rene.

Lame