Now, here's a surprise...

[Anonymous]

You must be new here.



I'm not going to argue with you if you are going to get your panties all in a knot over a bit of light sparring.  You clearly did completely miss my point, just as you missed it in the original post.  Economics should not trump public safety.  It doesn't in any other industry.  Why should it in this one?  People are so intent on gun ownership that they make enormous concessions to protect it that are not permitted in any other area of society.

Sparring? Arguing? Missed you point? Are you high too when you go trolling? The debate was going well until you showed up asshole.

Herman, I like you and delight in your contributions to our little community..



But, reel is the furthest person you could find from a troll..



He is respected by myself, RW, Shen Li and cc la femme..



I understand you got off on the wrong foot, but I wanted to clear up any confusion about reel before this went any further.

I will take your word for it. It's water under the bridge now.

Don't be clouded by the testimonials.



Reel thinks far more of himself, and values his own opinion above all others.



If he knew half as much as he portrays, he'd be a genius.



And a genius, he aint.

Depending on the subject, I value my own opinion above all others too. On the topic of guns in the states, I don't believe restricting the production and supply chains will do stop the flow of new fire power. Dove, has been saying it has not worked with drugs. Even if the states severely restricted the production and distribution of a legal product by law, which will never happen, the black economy will pick up the slack.

[asal]

You must be new here.



I'm not going to argue with you if you are going to get your panties all in a knot over a bit of light sparring.  You clearly did completely miss my point, just as you missed it in the original post.  Economics should not trump public safety.  It doesn't in any other industry.  Why should it in this one?  People are so intent on gun ownership that they make enormous concessions to protect it that are not permitted in any other area of society.

Sparring? Arguing? Missed you point? Are you high too when you go trolling? The debate was going well until you showed up asshole.

Herman, I like you and delight in your contributions to our little community..



But, reel is the furthest person you could find from a troll..



He is respected by myself, RW, Shen Li and cc la femme..



I understand you got off on the wrong foot, but I wanted to clear up any confusion about reel before this went any further.

I will take your word for it. It's water under the bridge now.

Don't be clouded by the testimonials.



Reel thinks far more of himself, and values his own opinion above all others.



If he knew half as much as he portrays, he'd be a genius.



And a genius, he aint.

Depending on the subject, I value my own opinion above all others too. On the topic of guns in the states, I don't believe restricting the production and supply chains will do stop the flow of new fire power. Dove, has been saying it has not worked with drugs. Even if the states severely restricted the production and distribution of a legal product by law, which will never happen, the black economy will pick up the slack.

halting production and importation would be a deterrent - not a perfect one.  better than current conditions.

[Romero]

Texas man kills wife with shotgun blast after incorrectly guessing she was an intruder



A Texas man shot and killed his wife after mistaking her for an intruder.



Police said the San Antonio man, whose name was not released, told them he heard some noises coming from the front of the house about 4 a.m. Saturday and saw a flash of light.



He grabbed a shotgun and went to investigate.



The man said he saw a light and someone standing at a distance, so he fired one blast from the shotgun.



That's when he realized he had shot his wife, 48-year-old Debora Kelly.



Police tried to resuscitate her when they arrived, but she was pronounced dead at the scene from a gunshot wound to her chest.



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/texas-man-kills-wife-with-shotgun-blast-after-incorrectly-guessing-she-was-an-intruder/">//http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/texas-man-kills-wife-with-shotgun-blast-after-incorrectly-guessing-she-was-an-intruder/

Dallas Cowboys fans urge gunman to shoot helpless man in the head during tailgating brawl — and he does



The man who shot another man in the head after a Dallas Cowboys football game was reportedly egged on by the crowd of people watching the fight.



The New York Daily News reported that the shooting took place at AT&T stadium in Arlington about an hour after the New England Patriots beat the Dallas Cowboys 30-6.



Witnesses reported that the two men got into an argument, which escalated to a fistfight. Then, as the gunman held his weapon to the head of the victim, the crowd urged him to shoot, which he did.



Paramedics and police were called to the scene and the unnamed victim, a male in his early 40s, was taken to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries.



The shooter was apprehended by police after he tripped over a low retaining wall and injured his leg while trying to flee the scene.



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/dallas-cowboys-fans-urge-gunman-to-shoot-helpless-man-in-the-head-during-tailgating-brawl-and-he-does/">//http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/dallas-cowboys-fans-urge-gunman-to-shoot-helpless-man-in-the-head-during-tailgating-brawl-and-he-does/

[cc]

Blabber (I mean copy / paste) all day, you will not change idiots from being idiots, nor stop there being guns in the US



They have 10 people for our meager 1, so expect between 8 - 12 x more idiots &   between 12 - 16 x more idiots than in Oz



As for changing anything, you will have better luck advocating for  goofy mixed washrooms & might end up benefiting yourself

[Bricktop]

you will not change idiots from being idiots

True.

nor stop there being guns in the US

You can if you have the national will and commitment to change the way you live.



An idiot without a gun is far less dangerous than an idiot with a gun.

[cc]

Whatever. The will is to keep guns.



You guys can scream your guts out but you will never change the US. They are not asking for your advice and sure as hell won't listen to it

[Bricktop]

Whatever. The will is to keep guns.



You guys can scream your guts out but you will never change the US. They are not asking for your advice and sure as hell won't listen to it

And yet the constantly seek our help and assistance. I remind you, the American president stated quite clearly that he wished America would follow the gun control policies of Australian and Great Britain.



And every American that reads my posts listens...they may stamp their feet, throw a tanty, and act all offended and insulted, but they cannot deny their truth.



If its good enough for America to condemn other countries to the extent they bomb and invade them, then they sure as shit can have their own failures rammed down their gaping throats.

[Romero]

People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year



This week a 2-year-old in South Carolina found a gun in the back seat of the car he was riding in and accidentally shot his grandmother, who was sitting in the passenger seat. This type of thing happens from time to time: A little kid finds a gun, fires it, and hurts or kills himself or someone else. These cases rarely bubble up to the national level except when someone, like a parent, ends up dead.



But cases like this happen a lot more frequently than you might think. After spending a few hours sifting through news reports, I've found at least 43 instances this year of somebody being shot by a toddler 3 or younger. In 31 of those 43 cases, a toddler found a gun and shot himself or herself.



These numbers are probably an undercount. There are likely instances of toddlers shooting people that result in minor injuries and no media coverage. And there are probably many more cases where a little kid inadvertently shoots a gun and doesn't hit anyone, resulting in little more than a scared kid and (hopefully) chastened parents.



Notably, these numbers don't include cases where toddlers are shot, intentionally or otherwise, by older children or adults. Dozens of preschoolers are killed in acts of homicide each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/">//http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/

[Bricktop]

And there was the case of a 9yr old shooting a trainer on a shooting range with an Uzi!!!



Yet they still will argue for their right to own these lethal weapons. What a country of barbarian lunatics.



I note that Hilarity stated in her debate that its time to take on the NRA. I may be wrong, but the NRA is NOT a government body, is not elected by the plebiscite, and holds no position of a authority. When a government has to combat an organisation in its own midst, that organisation has no place there.

[Romero]

Colorado man goes on murderous rampage after 911 dispatcher lectures panicked caller on open carry law



A neighbor might have helped stopped a Colorado man from killing three people as he roamed around with a military-style rifle, but the state's open carry law apparently prevented police from following up on her concerned report.



Naomi Bettis called 911 Saturday after spotting her neighbor, who she recognized but did not know by name, walking outside his home with an AR-15 rifle, reported the Denver Post.



"He did have a distraught look on his face," Bettis said. "It looked like he had a rough couple days or so."



However, the 911 dispatcher declined to send police and reminded Bettis that Colorado allows gun owners to legally and publicly carry their firearms out in the open.



Police eventually did respond — but not until 33-year-old Noah Harpham had already shot two women and a man with the rifle that had concerned his neighbor at least several minutes earlier.



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/colorado-man-goes-on-murderous-rampage-after-911-dispatcher-lectures-panicked-caller-on-open-carry-law/">//http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/colorado-man-goes-on-murderous-rampage-after-911-dispatcher-lectures-panicked-caller-on-open-carry-law/

[Renee]

Lynne Russell: The Second Amendment saved my life



"If you don't want to carry please don't. Then, shut the fuck up about it."



Ex-CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her marksman husband fought off a robber during a deadly motel shootout in New Mexico, according police and a friend.



Russell's spouse, former Green Beret and investigative reporter Chuck De Caro, was hit three times during the gun battle but managed to kill the intruder. He reportedly underwent surgery on Wednesday and was expected to survive.



"Chuck is a bona fide hero," his longtime pal Patrick Clawson told the Daily News. "He saved Lynne's life."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... d-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/

[RW]

Colorado man goes on murderous rampage after 911 dispatcher lectures panicked caller on open carry law



A neighbor might have helped stopped a Colorado man from killing three people as he roamed around with a military-style rifle, but the state's open carry law apparently prevented police from following up on her concerned report.



Naomi Bettis called 911 Saturday after spotting her neighbor, who she recognized but did not know by name, walking outside his home with an AR-15 rifle, reported the Denver Post.



"He did have a distraught look on his face," Bettis said. "It looked like he had a rough couple days or so."



However, the 911 dispatcher declined to send police and reminded Bettis that Colorado allows gun owners to legally and publicly carry their firearms out in the open.



Police eventually did respond — but not until 33-year-old Noah Harpham had already shot two women and a man with the rifle that had concerned his neighbor at least several minutes earlier.



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/colorado-man-goes-on-murderous-rampage-after-911-dispatcher-lectures-panicked-caller-on-open-carry-law/">//http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/colorado-man-goes-on-murderous-rampage-after-911-dispatcher-lectures-panicked-caller-on-open-carry-law/

This is the thing that has always bugged me - how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys if everyone can openly carry a gun?

[RW]

Lynne Russell: The Second Amendment saved my life



"If you don't want to carry please don't. Then, shut the fuck up about it."



Ex-CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her marksman husband fought off a robber during a deadly motel shootout in New Mexico, according police and a friend.



Russell's spouse, former Green Beret and investigative reporter Chuck De Caro, was hit three times during the gun battle but managed to kill the intruder. He reportedly underwent surgery on Wednesday and was expected to survive.



"Chuck is a bona fide hero," his longtime pal Patrick Clawson told the Daily News. "He saved Lynne's life."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... d-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/

Would the guy had been shot if he didn't have a gun and decide to play hero?

[Renee]

Lynne Russell: The Second Amendment saved my life



"If you don't want to carry please don't. Then, shut the fuck up about it."



Ex-CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her marksman husband fought off a robber during a deadly motel shootout in New Mexico, according police and a friend.



Russell's spouse, former Green Beret and investigative reporter Chuck De Caro, was hit three times during the gun battle but managed to kill the intruder. He reportedly underwent surgery on Wednesday and was expected to survive.



"Chuck is a bona fide hero," his longtime pal Patrick Clawson told the Daily News. "He saved Lynne's life."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... d-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/

Would the guy had been shot if he didn't have a gun and decide to play hero?

I don't think anyone was "playing" hero. From what I've read Chuck De Caro had just come out of the shower and was naked during the ordeal. I don't think he was looking to "play" hero with his junk hanging out.



Accounts state that the assailant fired first and the Albuquerque police have ruled the shooting self defense. Regardless no one has the right to force you at gun point into a room for God knows what purpose. IMHO, the prep got everything he deserved. In a situation like that you have no idea what the assailant is capable of or what his or her intentions are. You have to make a decision to either be a piece of meat and cower in the corner or step up and defend yourself. I for one am tired of this idea that you have to just meekly submit while you are fucking violated by some scumbag.



If you are a CCW holder you have to know when to shoot and what constitutes a legal shoot and act accordingly. I'd say under the given circumstance the right decision was made. That is why conscientious CCW permit holders train and attend classes taught by law enforcement personnel on the responsibilities of concealed carry. Also given the fact that Chuck De Caro is an ex member of special forces he is probably better qualified to make a life or death decision than most.

[Anonymous]

Lynne Russell: The Second Amendment saved my life



"If you don't want to carry please don't. Then, shut the fuck up about it."



Ex-CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her marksman husband fought off a robber during a deadly motel shootout in New Mexico, according police and a friend.



Russell's spouse, former Green Beret and investigative reporter Chuck De Caro, was hit three times during the gun battle but managed to kill the intruder. He reportedly underwent surgery on Wednesday and was expected to survive.



"Chuck is a bona fide hero," his longtime pal Patrick Clawson told the Daily News. "He saved Lynne's life."

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... d-my-life/">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/06/lynne-russell-second-amendment-saved-my-life/

Would the guy had been shot if he didn't have a gun and decide to play hero?

I don't think anyone was "playing" hero. From what I've read Chuck De Caro had just come out of the shower and was naked during the ordeal. I don't think he was looking to "play" hero with his junk hanging out.



Accounts state that the assailant fired first and the Albuquerque police have ruled the shooting self defense. Regardless no one has the right to force you at gun point into a room for God knows what purpose. IMHO, the prep got everything he deserved. In a situation like that you have no idea what the assailant is capable of or what his or her intentions are. You have to make a decision to either be a piece of meat and cower in the corner or step up and defend yourself. I for one am tired of this idea that you have to just meekly submit while you are fucking violated by some scumbag.



If you are a CCW holder you have to know when to shoot and what constitutes a legal shoot and act accordingly. I'd say under the given circumstance the right decision was made. That is why conscientious CCW permit holders train and attend classes taught by law enforcement personnel on the responsibilities of concealed carry. Also given the fact that Chuck De Caro is an ex member of special forces he is probably better qualified to make a life or death decision than most.

He handled the situation near perfect in my opinion.