All I Want for Christmas is ..... A "Real" Christmas Story from the Carolinas

[Anonymous]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

[RW]

http://i65.tinypic.com/nmkd5c.jpg">  Ten year olds totally worry about this stuff. Lol. They think about it all the time. Thank God for public schools stepping in and saving our kids from exploitation, promiscuity, sexual repression and the terror of breaking hymens in between rounds of minecraft and for building.

You'd be surprised what kids worry about.  In the case of my children, they have parents that they are able to talk to about any worry they might have including future sexual relationships and consequences.



I think that might have something to do with the fact that we don't freak out over pictures in educational books.

[RW]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.



My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?

[Anonymous]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg">  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.

You call that porn?



 ac_lmfao

I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.

  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?

 That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.

[Anonymous]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.



My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?

You need it, go get it.

[RW]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg">  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.

You call that porn?



 ac_lmfao

I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.

  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?

 That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.

Why did I discuss sex and sexually with my kids when they were in Kindergarten?  Because it decreases the chances of a child being sexually exploited.  Kids who know proper names for body parts and have a rhudimentary vocabulary around sexual physiology clearly have a trusted adult in their lives who they discuss their bodies with making them more likely to report sexual abuses.  That's a red flag for pedophiles.



We discussed with them about what their reproductive organs are and what they do.  We talked about the development and how sex is for grown ups.  We discussed how no one should touch them.  We talked about masturbation because even at that age they had both touched themselves.  We told them that was normal and private. No shaming.  My kids were shown condoms so if they saw one on the playground, they would know not to touch it.



At that age, they don't really take it all in but one day when they get to be about 7, it starts to click and they ask for a refresher with the added puberty components.



Now they are 11 and they ask us what things they hear mean.  They are more interested in STDs and they they'll go blind if they masturbate too much.  We've stressed the importance of not taking pics, consenting age, and telling us of any inappropriate conversations. Stuff like that.  



The point is that we've always had an open, honest and informative dialogue with them free of judgment and shame that I see carrying on into their teenage years.  That doesn't mean we haven't explained to them the importance of waiting to have sex or values around sex.



I honestly and truly believe keeping kids in the dark breeds curiousity.  If they feel they can't talk to you (maybe because you freak out over books that tell them things), they'll find out from someone else.  That's not what I want for my kids.



My kids are also still kids.  They aren't out playing doctor with the neighbourhood kids or pole dancing at the local strip club.  They aren't wagging their privates around or showing off their breasts.  They are normal, decent kids who just happened to know what the deal is with their sexual organs which keeps asshole adults with sexual agendas away from them.

[RW]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.



My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?

You need it, go get it.

This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".

[Anonymous]

http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg">  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.

You call that porn?



 ac_lmfao

I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.

  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?

 That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.

Why did I discuss sex and sexually with my kids when they were in Kindergarten?  Because it decreases the chances of a child being sexually exploited.  Kids who know proper names for body parts and have a rhudimentary vocabulary around sexual physiology clearly have a trusted adult in their lives who they discuss their bodies with making them more likely to report sexual abuses.  That's a red flag for pedophiles.



We discussed with them about what their reproductive organs are and what they do.  We talked about the development and how sex is for grown ups.  We discussed how no one should touch them.  We talked about masturbation because even at that age they had both touched themselves.  We told them that was normal and private. No shaming.  My kids were shown condoms so if they saw one on the playground, they would know not to touch it.



At that age, they don't really take it all in but one day when they get to be about 7, it starts to click and they ask for a refresher with the added puberty components.



Now they are 11 and they ask us what things they hear mean.  They are more interested in STDs and they they'll go blind if they masturbate too much.  We've stressed the importance of not taking pics, consenting age, and telling us of any inappropriate conversations. Stuff like that.  



The point is that we've always had an open, honest and informative dialogue with them free of judgment and shame that I see carrying on into their teenage years.  That doesn't mean we haven't explained to them the importance of waiting to have sex or values around sex.



I honestly and truly believe keeping kids in the dark breeds curiousity.  If they feel they can't talk to you (maybe because you freak out over books that tell them things), they'll find out from someone else.  That's not what I want for my kids.



My kids are also still kids.  They aren't out playing doctor with the neighbourhood kids or pole dancing at the local strip club.  They aren't wagging their privates around or showing off their breasts.  They are normal, decent kids who just happened to know what the deal is with their sexual organs which keeps asshole adults with sexual agendas away from them.

  Let's see some hard evidence to support early sexual exposure prevents unhealthy sex. You'll find the opposite. Btw, my kids could hold a class on sex ed. Not every ten year old can process this information.  That's the point.  It's not appropriate for the public school system to make sure ten year olds grow up to be sexually responsible. It's their job to teach basic education and leave this stuff to parents who know their kids and what their kids can process.  High school?  Let them have the book. Elementary school?  Back the fuck off.  It's that simple. And also, I'd like to see hard evidence that early exposure to sexual topics is positive.  Because there are plenty of studies that show the exact opposite.

[Anonymous]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.



My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?

You need it, go get it.

This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".

 Notice how I already stated I don't care of you believe anything I'm saying.  You have working fingers. Go Google it.

[RW]

These are sexual health educators in our neck of the woods:

[RW]

How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.

 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?

I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.



My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?

You need it, go get it.

This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".

 Notice how I already stated I don't care of you believe anything I'm saying.  You have working fingers. Go Google it.

What am I Googling exactly?  Parents somewhere in US freak out over sex book?

[Ace]

So often I see fkn self-consumed atheists who can't see past their seething all-consuming hate

I'm an Atheist.  Most people that I meet wouldn't even know this.  I hang Christmas lights up, even.  I even say Merry Christmas, and prefer this term over "Happy Holidays!"



As an Atheist, it's really not my business, nor my care, to give a fuck what others do.



What I see, cc, is nothing more here than a jab at Atheists.  In fact, I doubt you even really know any true Atheists, for the minute you'd spout this misdirected belief of "their all-consuming hate," they'd simply not be around you, ever again.

[Ace]

You see, true Atheists rarely even bother with the religion of others.  When I'm with my friends, religion is not a topic to discuss, since it doesn't pertain to us, and is of no interest to us.



We may speak of religion, but we lump it all together...  Other than fanatics that cause trouble, we don't really differentiate between Muslims, Jews, Christians or Scientologists.  We view them as no different than one another.  And they aren't.



We do understand, however, that some people need religion in their lives.  Sometimes, it works for some people.  We also understand that most people are indoctrinated into religion from very young.  We know this engrains these thought patterns into their brains, which is very hard to ever remove.  That's why religion likes to get 'em started young!



Atheists are probably the most truthful people that you'll ever meet.  They will not preach a fucking thing, and don't have someone to "repent their sins" to.  You see, if we are assholes all week, we get to live with that.  We don't have "confession" to make our poor behaviour "all better."

[Anonymous]

In the same post about no one is different, you begin condescending religious people. Are you guys even the tiniest bit self aware?  And didn't you just pull the "no true scottsman"?

[Ace]

Now, I may be babbling here a bit, but I do have one buddy that is an Atheist, for all intents and purposes.



The problem with him, however, is that he often cares too much about blasting down The Church.  Since I'm friends with White people, in this case he likes to focus too much on The Christian Church that he so despises.



I know why he does this, since I have also met his mother years back.  She was religious.  Very religious, actually...



You see, he was indoctrinated from young on.  And now that he's out, I guess he still feels the need to separate himself from something that to me has never existed.



I can be certain though, that his child will have no ties to any organized religion whatsoever, since his wife isn't religious either...  Only then, will they see a true Atheist...  With their child.  Which is what I am already...