Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter

[Romero]

ok homy i will toss out the easiest softball for you.......so please give it an honest response:



daily you will hear the "global warming caused by man" (GWCBM) proponents make the following comments.....



this is the warmest it has been since 1889

most hurricanes since 1877

most tornadoes since 1822

most ice cap melting since 1450



you get the point...............my question is this.....



by virtue of the fact that this has been the worst since means by definition that it was worse before that date......that is irrefutable......how is that possible if there were no people and no industry way back when.....pls explain

There has always been natural climate change but current global warming is happening much more quickly, has no connection to anything natural and directly correlates with the rise in man-made greenhouse gases.



Nearly all climatologists, universities, national science academies and governments agree that global warming is caused by man.

[Romero]

Jeesh dude, you really are ignorant of this subject aren't you? Well that is the kind of blind allegiance big government, big business, big labour and big NGO's are counting on.



31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,

 including 9,029 with PhDs

http://www.petitionproject.org/">http://www.petitionproject.org/



Romero and his big NGO friends don't want to acknowledge there are dissenting voices.

Already seen and debunked. A mere 0.5% have any background in climatology and atmospheric science. Most of the "scientists" are surgeons, architects, engineers etc. Many names have been found to be fake.



Scientific American concluded: "The petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community."

[Romero]

Rather than trying to stop climate change we should be learning to adapt to changing weather patterns. Trying to stop all fossil fuel usage globally is an exercise in futility.

We will try to adapt but we should be trying to at least lessen climate change. We're already seeing some major costs from the storms, droughts, sea level rise... and this is only the beginning.



The world's permafrost is just starting to melt, resulting in the release of large amounts of methane which causes much more warming than CO2. Once it really gets going, we're going to be in real trouble.

[Romero]

It's a known and scientific fact that the natural greenhouse gases in our atmosphere keep the Earth 33°C warmer than it would be without them. The less greenhouse gas, the cooler. The more the warmer.







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Since we began burning fossil fuels CO2 has gone up from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It's off of the chart.

[heinzy]

The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man.

Completely unfounded , invented assertion.

One day you and Shen Li will too. Many deniers have finally accepted that the world is in fact warming.

Muddlebrain can't even discern between different issues:

a)global warming

b) caused by man'[/list]
He just lumps two completely different issues into one , i.e. the one must by ideological necessity include the other.

And to suit his own leftist agenda he impudently asserts again , that clear thinking non-leftists deny both issues. This despite the fact hat Shen Li has clearly and unequivocally restated the scientifically proven fact that 'global warming is in flux' , i.e. has occurred many times over the life span of the earth.    Just an other example how reality detached and self-contradictory these deluded simpletons are.  :mrgreen:

[heinzy]

The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man.

I would hazard a guess, that most of the same understanding , majority of people have no clue about what 'anthropogenic' , 'red noise' and 'statistical fuzz' * means. Or climate models which are all computed with arbitrary , speak invented , data input ...to suit the outcome of desired results (which is of course very unscientific)



Most of the same understanding , majority of people also ignore the fact that there is a proven correlation between sunspot cycles  and global warming. (Sunspots are not caused by man; except maybe in the phantasy world  of hard core Leftists)



The same majority of  understanding people also ignore the facts that

• a)  there is a time lag of a few hundred years between the interaction of carbon and rise in temperature
  
  b) that global warming, according to the 'hockey stick graph',  allegedly  has really steeply  shot up only since the 19th century ......that is , concomitantly with the industrial revolution  
  
  c) mankind reached the first billion around 1800

False logical conclusion to draw from above  fallacious leftist assertion:

• Since global climate change inevitably takes place hundreds of years after mankind has carbon polluted  mother earth , it follows, that the mid 19th century global warming

had been caused by man during the  mid 16th century...... when there were only .9 billion people on earth...... and the wooden printing press had just been invented.

Ergo: to reverse today's  having been caused by man global warming, mankind must reduce itself from 7 billion to less than 1 billion and live like it did in the 15th century. [/list]



True leftist thinking , N'est-ce-pas ?



*

'anthropogenic'= related to man.

The phenomena   of global warming has been recognised since the early 1930 due to glacial melting in Switzerland.

The U.N.O. -sponsored invention of 'anthropogenic' causality came 50 years later ....

'red noise' or 'noise' are mathematical expressions being used in computer generated climate models, they signal improbablities.

'fuzz' or 'hair' are expressions used to describe uneven , broken or hairy waveforms , also used in graphs in climate models.

[heinzy]

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Since we began burning fossil fuels CO2 has gone up from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It's off of the chart.

See ???



See ???



He said the nonsense  himself!



He forgot the time lag , but who cares ???

[Anonymous]

I don't have time to read all of that right now. The one thing I will cherrypick is this line,  it would be many times cheaper to adapt ... than to attempt, futilely, to mitigate it today. That makes more sense to me too.