China'BOXED

[Securious]

information for fear of reprisals, most comply. Thats the type of system they have in place...fear and xenophobia driven.

[Romero]

What percentage of Chinese Canadians do you believe are "fifth columnists"?

[Securious]

There is reasonable belief that the Chinese diaspora are controlled by Beijing.

No there isn't. But there is definitive proof that Chinese immigrants have helped make Canada a great country.



"Belief". Exactly. You simply wish to believe it.



Where are all these Beijing controlled diaspora? I don't see them anywhere. You don't see them anywhere. We just see fine Chinese Canadians.

The reasonable  "belief" comes from more learned people than I Romero, journalists and social scientists...it isn't my imagination as it is obviously in yours. You seem to be in denial for some curious reason. Who are you protecting?

[Securious]

information for fear of reprisals, most comply. Thats the type of system they have in place...fear and xenophobia driven.

This will answer your concerns Romero...oh and please don't call me a hater Romero on the subject of the Chinese diaspora as fifth columnists. Go and read about it please before showing your ignorance and running off at the mouth again. You are far too hasty and emotional, an accuser who before engaging brain function sputters on about imaginary ghosts who aren't there. looks like you were told about this we see. No more trolling  those who think differently OK.

[Romero]

The reasonable  "belief" comes from more learned people than I Romero, journalists and social scientists...it isn't my imagination as it is obviously in yours. You seem to be in denial for some curious reason. Who are you protecting?

I'm defending my fellow Canadians.



What percentage of Chinese Canadians do you believe are "fifth columnists"?

[Securious]

Romero its a fact so please do yourself a favour,stop jumping about and read up on it. Only then you will arrive at your answer. You are digging yourself more and more into a hole on this one. Ive shown the way so get on it, for everyones sake. Your denial is so painful for us to endure anymore, grow up.

[Securious]

   

  A group of labour unions has written to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and B.C. Premier Christy Clark to raise concerns about a pending influx of temporary foreign workers to the B.C. mining sector. The unions say Canadian workers could do the jobs for which foreign workers are being hired.



"We believe this mass importation of labour is completely unnecessary and is simply a strategy to employ lower-paid workers who are compliant with the culture of coal mining in China," said the October 15 letter from the Bargaining Council of B.C. Building Trades Unions, which represents 15 unions whose members include plumbers, sheet metal workers and others involved in the construction industry.



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Labour union letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper and B.C. Premier Christy Clark



"The coal mining in that country is patently unsafe and the industry there shows little regard for the life, health and well being of the workers in that country."



The letter comes as HD Mining International Ltd. – the Vancouver-based mining company that is developing the Murray River coal project near Tumbler Ridge – has obtained permission to bring 200 workers to B.C. under the federally administered Temporary Foreign Worker Program.



HD Mining will be required to comply with all federal and provincial labour regulations when it comes to temporary foreign workers "and we will do so willingly," said Jody Shimkus, vice-president of regulatory affairs with the company.



Concerning wages, Ms. Shimkus said the rules for the program require foreign workers to be paid at a level that would be "comparable" to local workers.



The first dozen or so Chinese workers are likely to arrive in B.C. in the next few weeks.



The program allows employers to hire foreign workers on a temporary basis when Canadians and permanent residents are not available. Foreign workers are covered by federal and provincial labour laws, but language barriers and isolation can make them vulnerable to exploitation.



HD's partner in Murray River is Canadian Dehua International, a Chinese-backed company that is working on three other proposed coal projects in the province that could also involve hundreds of foreign workers.



The prospect that mining companies might want to hire foreign workers has been known since at least 2007, when Canadian Dehua filed a project description for its proposed Gething project that said as many as 400 foreign workers would likely be needed to build the mine.



Ms. Clark did not mention foreign workers in an official announcement last November, when she trumpeted Chinese investments in B.C.'s mining sector – including projects involving Canadian Dehua – that would "eventually create over 6,700 jobs."



Canada lacks workers who have experience in the 'longwall' type of mining that will be used at Murray River and other coal mines Canadian Dehua is developing, chief executive officer John Cavanagh said on Monday.



"There are only two underground coal mines in Canada – and both of them use a technology called 'room and pillar,' " Mr. Cavanagh said. 'It's a little bit like saying while somebody's a pilot – but one's flying a helicopter and the other person is flying a jet.



"There are two entirely different types of technologies and as such they need different types of workers."



Workers could be trained in the longwall system, but that requires an operating mine – and an operating mine requires experienced workers to get it up and running, Mr. Cavanagh said.



Labour unions have challenged that rationale for hiring foreign workers, saying B.C. workers could be trained to handle new systems and equipment.

[Romero]

Romero its a fact so please do yourself a favour,stop jumping about and read up on it. Only then you will arrive at your answer. You are digging yourself more and more into a hole on this one. Ive shown the way so get on it, for everyones sake. Your denial is so painful for us to endure anymore, grow up.

The correct answer is - statistically 0% of Chinese Canadians are "fifth columnists".

[Securious]

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[Romero]

Where did you get that number? I'm not trying to be smart here, just wonder how any exact number high or low could possibly be given.

I'm basing it on the complete lack of fifth columnists. There have been over a million Chinese immigrants and Chinese Canadians. How many have been "fifth columnists"? We can be certain that the number is well less than 1/1000, which is statistically 0%.

[Gary Oak]

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    I was talking to an American in China last night. He said that China is collapsing right now. I believe that the issues with the Philippines and Japan over disputed islands is being used to take the populations minds off of the collapsing economy. This friend in China said that the banks aren't loaning anymore for big projects like bridges,roads construction and are demanding repayment of loans, Europe and America are not buying as they used to,Europes broke and the USA isn't fairing much better,inflation and high wages have made it no longer econimical for many big foreign companies to invest. After reading the very interesting book Poorly Made In China  by Paul Midler  I also believe that another reason that these big foreign companies are no longer investing is the funny business that they have to deal with in dealing with these factories and the chinese government as well. Without enough money to pay for these high wages, nobody buying property or vehicles Chinese is sputtering along. From what I was told last night China is on a rapid decline as we speak. Perhaps the internal market can keep them afloat as in did ini the fall of 2008. This will be interesting to watch from back here in Canada.

[Securious]

[Obvious Li]

not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it

[Securious]

It all fits my friend, and well planned. Canada, the New Chinese territory. Can anyone say Neo-Colonialism,or for that matter, war by any other name. Shhhh, dont want to wake up Canadians at sleep.

[Securious]

[size=200]NEXEN[/size]



Canada PM casts doubt on Nexen takeover by China

Cecilia Jamasmie | October 12, 2012









Canada's authorities said Friday the federal government's review of China National Offshore Oil Corp.'s $15.1 billion proposed takeover of Nexen Inc. (NYSE, TSX:NXY) under the Investment Canada Act will take another 30 days.



Speaking to reporters in Dakar, Senegal, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper gave investors more reasons to speculate about the final outcome of the deal, as he said that China's "very different" political and economic systems are a concern for his government.



Those remarks, reports Reuters, are among the most revealing Harper has made in connection with the CNOOC-Nexen deal.



"The relationship with China is important. At the same time it's complex. It's complex because the Chinese obviously have very different systems than we do, economic and political systems, and that's why obviously some of these particular transactions raise concerns," Harper was quoted as saying by Reuters.



He added his government would ensure that Canada has not only a growing relationship with China, but also one that is in the country's best interests.



Canadian leaders have now another month to review whether the possible takeover represents a so-called net benefit to the economy, as required under the country's foreign-investment laws.



Since CNOOC made an official application to the Canadian government in late August, mixed messages about the authorities' position on the subject have generated increasing anxiety among investors. Some fear public opposition will convince the government to eventually block the deal.



Senior Conservative officials, led by Harper, have suggested the issue of market reciprocity — or guarantees that Canadian investors will get access to Chinese assets — could play a key role in the ruling.



Truth is the country's ruling Conservative Party is split over the matter and Harper has been left with difficult final call to make, as  a previous analysis by Reuters explains:



A green light, still viewed by many as likely, would allow China's biggest ever foreign takeover, extend China's foothold in Canada's crude-rich oilsands – an area with the biggest proven resources of energy outside Venezuela and Saudi Arabia — and help Beijing fulfill its drive for better access to energy resources to fuel the world's second-largest economy.



A "no", or conditions on the deal that were too onerous for CNOOC, would cut the takeover premium on Canadian resource stocks, and likely stem Chinese investment in the energy patch, as well as damaging Canada's already dented reputation as a friendly jurisdiction for foreign investment.



It would also infuriate Beijing, which might make the Chinese market a less welcoming destination for Canadian exporters. When U.S. opposition thwarted CNOOC's attempt to buy California-based Unocal Corp. in 2005 it angered Chinese officials and strained Sino-U.S. relations.



But Canada's has to also consider the consequences of upsetting its Southern neighbour, whose pressure could come into play at the time of the final decision.



A U.S. prove of disapproval came a week ago, when Nebraska Republican Congressman Lee Terry urged President Obama in a blog to "Oppose CNOOC-Nexen merger, approve Keystone":



Recently, Chinese state oil company, CNOOC, announced its intention to purchase Canadian oil company, Nexen, for $15.1 billion in cash. I have deep concerns about this merger and what it means for American national security and energy security in the future.



...With the purchase of Nexen, China will control a major North American oil company. China will firmly be positioned in our front and backyard.



Should the biggest ever foreign investment in the North American country get the green light, CNOOC has promised it will make Calgary the headquarters of its North and Central American operations, will join Canada's main equities market, the Toronto Stock Exchange and will keep current Nexen employees.



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