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Gary Oak

They will be doing whatever they can get away with though. This Naishun Liu who owns the mine and is recruiting Chinese workers for 30$ an hour jobs because Canadians don't have the experience tio use a jackhammer correctly is a tong member whose tongs oaths swear to FAN QING FU MING which is explained in the oaths and rituals thread. They will be arranging marriages to get in more Chinese. When chinese are trying to take over one of the many tactics they use is to get as many of ther population in that they can.

Securious

Quote from: "Asshole"You see, even Canadian banks think that China should be allowed to invest money in Canada





..Ex-central banker says Canada should approve CNOOC bid for Nexen

By Louise Egan | Reuters

....OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada should allow China's state-owned CNOOC Ltd to buy Canadian oil company Nexen Inc, a former central bank chief said on Wednesday, brushing aside arguments that oil is a "strategic" resource off-limits to foreigners.



David Dodge, who was Bank of Canada Governor from 2001 to 2008, listed some factors to consider when reviewing the $15.1 billion bid, including the country's need for foreign financing and the hefty premium CNOOC is willing to pay for the asset.



"How can that not be in our interest?" Dodge said to reporters after delivering a speech in Ottawa.



Dodge is now a senior adviser at law firm Bennett Jones LLP and a respected commentator on public policy issues.



Under Canada's foreign investment law, the industry minister must review the proposed acquisition to determine whether it is a "net benefit" to the country.



The Nexen bid has raised hackles among some members of Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper's cabinet and the main opposition New Democratic Party is opposed to the deal. Critics worry about letting the state-owned Chinese firm extend its foothold in the oil patch, and some have cited national security concerns.



Dodge pointed out that most of Nexen's assets were outside Canada, that CNOOC already owns a minority stake in the company's Long Lake facility in northern Alberta, and that the government has shown no concern about other state-owned companies already operating in the oil sector.



"So do we automatically say that state-owned firms shouldn't be in? We have (Norwegian oil and gas firm) Statoil in; it's a state-owned firm," he said.



"I can't help but think this is more anti-Chinese than it is anything else because there's every reason to allow this one to go through."



He dismissed as "the stupidest thing" the notion put forth by some that oil is a "strategic" resource that should remain in Canadian hands.



"In some ways, ironically, in mines and woodlands, they can't be moved. The real asset is there. You've got control over that asset, you have an infinite number of regulatory tools," he said.



"The oil in the ground is owned by the people of Alberta. It's a question of who we're going to license to take it out."



($1=$0.98 Canadian)



(Reporting by Louise Egan; Editing by Eric Walsh)



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Both Dodge and the present bod Carnal are singing the praises, blowin smoke up are collective posteriors about China.They see no wrong with the notion on Chinese Investment holus bolus. Should we trust these central Bankers? Ummmm, wet finger goes into air...looks around,scratches head. Who's running them one wonders as its simply madness to let China in. No Way Hosea'.

Securious

Quote from: "Gary Oak"They will be doing whatever they can get away with though. This Naishun Liu who owns the mine and is recruiting Chinese workers for 30$ an hour jobs because Canadians don't have the experience tio use a jackhammer correctly is a tong member whose tongs oaths swear to FAN QING FU MING which is explained in the oaths and rituals thread. They will be arranging marriages to get in more Chinese. When chinese are trying to take over one of the many tactics they use is to get as many of ther population in that they can.


cities

Securious

Quote from: "Formosan"China can never be trusted.



Canada's resources should not be controlled by them.

All we have! So why sell the farm!

Securious

[size=200]CSIS Warns Of [Asian] er..Chinese Takeovers[/size]



http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1260203--spy-agency-warns-of-espionage-risk-with-foreign-takeovers">http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... -takeovers">http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1260203--spy-agency-warns-of-espionage-risk-with-foreign-takeovers

Securious

[size=200] Pierre Trudeau's Secret Meetings With [Hero] Chairman Mao[/size]



http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/politics/international-politics/revolution-and-evolution-in-modern-china/trudeau-goes-to-china.html">http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/p ... china.html">http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/politics/international-politics/revolution-and-evolution-in-modern-china/trudeau-goes-to-china.html

Securious

           How Can China pay?[/b]

 

            In the international trade, imports can finally be paid only by exports. The Chinese money does not circulate out of China. For the foreign goods she imports, China must get foreign money, and she cannot obtain foreign money except by selling her own goods outside. This means that China must export some of her own production for a value equating the value of the foreign goods she imports.



            In an article published in "The Review of the News", Nov. 25, 1970, authored by an American writer, George S. Schuyler, this point is stressed and may help to foresee the consequences of Trudeau's deal with Mao.



            How can China pay for her imports from Canada or from any other country? We quote from Schuyler's article]Local Collaboration[/b]

 

            In fact, these overstaffed red embassies and consulates are used for other purposes than normal international politic or commercial relations. They harbor a number of specialists in revolution, trained subverters, agitators, spies and agents of other illegal activities. The Gouzenko case in Canada offered a spectacular proof of it.



The Gouzenko case showed also how easily an enemy installed in our midst, under a diplomatic cover could, for money, recruit Canadian cooperators from various careers, even from the Canadian Parliament, to serve his spying organization. It will be even easier to do it for a narcotic enterprise with its allurement of large sums of money to be realized in a short time.





As George Schuyler puts it in reference to the Gouzenko affair:

 

            "There is no reason to suppose that this enlistment of Canadian citizens with the international Communist apparatus was discontinued with the exposure of their game. Nor is there any justification for assuming that the Embassy of the Chinese People's Republic will not operate likewise, using the Canadian crime syndicate through TRIAD to push heroin trade in the United States."



 

           TRIAD and Mao

 

            George Schuyler is justly concerned about the possible extension of the narcotic trade in his country, the United States, which may result from the opening of Canada to Mao's agents. We may be sure that Mao has his eyes keenly opened on the whole of North America. He took avail of all the circumstances to influence the policies of Africa and South America. In the case of North America, the take-over by Communism is worth all that can be put out. Mao, for his part, will select his most able hands for the purpose. He has shown it in the appointment of his first ambassador at Ottawa (See the article from "Twin Circle" reproduced in another page of this issue).

 



            But what is the TRIAD referred to above? Quoting again Schuyler:



            "TRIAD is the Chinese counterpart of the Mafia. Its name means The Society of Heaven, Earth, and Man.



             "TRIAD started as a sacred patriotic group aimed at overthrowing the Manchu Government, and one of its early leaders was Dr. Sun Yat-sen, later first president of China.



            "With the eclipse of this Nationalist Government, the Red machine took over the TRIAD apparatus, which by that time had already become a crime syndicate operating along the whole Pacific littoral, wherever there was a Chinese tong. Upon his triumph, the patriotic President Sun Yat-sen had ordered the dissolution of TRIAD. But, as has so frequently happened in history, it had by then become too lucrative to throw away. It went into smuggling back and forth Chinese laborers and white women. There was also gambling, and anything else that made big money. Coastwise junks and deep-sea fishing boats linked all of Chinese ports with any place having a sizable Chinese colony.



            "Mao Tse-tung now Controls this international apparatus. He not only controls its criminal activities, but uses it as an adjunct to his revolutionary prescriptions which, like those of the Russians, are aimed at demoralizing and thus subjugating he world."



            The present chairman of TRIAD is Mao himself. With the promoted cultivation' of opium, from which profits the Government draws a big share, Mao nets a billion dollars a year. This will doubtless be increased with the new facilities procured by Trudeau's recognition of Red China to the marketing of narcotics derived from that country's opium.



 

            Towards Admission to UNO

 

            The diplomatic recognition of Red China by the Canadian government may be considered as a big step towards the admission of this conscience-less country to the United Nations Organization. This means the discarding of the fine Taiwan Formosan republic, and the enthroning of criminal Red China in the senate of five nations enjoying the privilege of the "Veto" as well' as permanent member of the international Security Council. The Canadian recognition increases considerably the prestige of Communist China and strengthens the communist party about everywhere in the planet. Other nations are encouraged to imitate Canada. Italy has already followed in Canadian footsteps; and the Vatican and Austria are expected to do so.



            Naive commentators may think, say and write that the admission of China to the UNO would contribute to moralize it and help solve the dope problem. There it no foundation for such hope. It is just wishful thinking. The facts show that the admission into the UNO of countries producers of opium, thus Burma or Lebanon, has in no way lessened their plantations of Pappaver Somniferum (the opium poppy).



 

            Youth Victimized

 



            George Schuyler again :

 

            "We have not begun to solve our narcotics problem. On the contrary it has worsened, with sellers of drugs on every campus, and children of the rich and poor "hooked" in every suburb and high school.



            "If we have not been able to stop the traffic across the Atlantic and Pacific, can we be more successful on that across the long border with Canada? Narcotics still get across the Mexican border, though it is open space and well patrolled. The U.S.-Canadian border is four times as long, and it is in many places far more-inaccessible to law officers. Our network of roads is the world's greatest; and once across the Canadian border with briefcase loaded with heroin, a hiker can hire a car anywhere. And there are, after all, plenty of subversives on both sides of the border ready to render a helping hand, with such rich rewards.



            "There is more money to be made from the sale of narcotics than in any other way. The police knows from where it comes, but catching the messengers is something else again. Moreover, distance no longer makes any difference. It is the ruthlessness of the crime apparatus that counts, and when this apparatus is backed by powerful governments, it is almost unbeatable. So the utmost pessimism about the Red Chinese moving in next door to ours is warranted."



             Yes it is, Mr. Schuyler. But the school children and students of the United States will not be the sole victims of the supplement of dope brought to our Continent by the dirty act of Trudeau's government. Between the entry of Red Chinese dope into Canada and its crossing over to the United States, there are schools and universities filled with Canadian youth of varying ages, also offering a prey to sellers of dope. Victims of Trudeau's diplomatic negotiations with Mao will be our own sons and daughters as well as sons and daughters of our neighbours south of us. We'll be made to pay our part of the bill to Mao's communist band of poisoners. And not only in money: there are damages done to souls and bodies that can never be repaired.



Shame on Trudeau, on the "Red-as-a-Beet Trudeau", so termed by the author we have largely quoted.



 

            A Trudeau's accomplishment

 

            Shame on Trudeau, because this is his work, although urged for years before by the marketers of the Canadian grain. Tonnages of our wheat had already been sold at favored terms to feed Mao's starving slaves. But it took the advent of the leftist Trudeau to deliver a certificate of honesty to the bloody dictator.



             The diplomatic recognition of Red China was not, however, an overnight decision. For two years; the two commissions of negociators, Mao's and Trudeau's, had held secret talks in Stockholm, a city favored by communists for official or private encounters with delegations of the free world. In the course of these meetings, trade and money questions, as well as politic relations, must have been largely dealt with. But it is doubtful whether the narcotics subject was as much as mentioned. But even if it was, what matters? Experience shows that declarations and signatures from Communist powers cannot be trusted: they can be turned by them to signify anything suiting their purpose.



            The establishment of an embassy in Burundi, a little republic of Central Africa, gave rise to political troubles causing the murder of the prime minister on the steps of the capitol. This does not mean that the same thing will happen in Canada. But it may well happen that some FLQ or another similar group, supported by Maoist agitation sap and finance, give rise to troubles more difficult to deal with than those of October last (1970). Whatever else may be, one thing leaves- in doubt: the drug problem, both in Canada and in the United States will only be worsened.



            The diplomatic recognition of Red China is a crime. In the history of our country, the term of Trudeau at the head of the federal government will have been baneful — baneful for Canada and baneful for the great republic that only a peaceful frontier of 3,000 miles separates from Canada.



            If Pierre Elliott Trudeau was barred from-the United States as undesirable in 1955, his political attitude towards communist China, now that he leads the government of his country. only confirms the rightness of judgment of those who at that epoch sought to protect their population against his pro-communist (to say the least) propensions and activities. They must now find that the man, in his political ascent, has little or not at all changed.



            How could the electorate of Canada become so enamored of Trudeau as to raise him so rapidly, from a newcomer in politics to the summit function' in the government of their country ? The answer is in the CBC. The television and other brain-washing mass media, so largely in the hands of Masons and Reds, can take any demon and in about no time build him up into a saint.

Securious

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Quote from: "Shen Li"This is kind of off topic, but what is your opinion of Justin? Do you believe he will be as rigidly ideological as his father or does he have a pragmatic side like say Paul Martin or John Manley?

 Just a tool of the Establishment like his Dad was. PET was as idealogical as he was allowed to be by his masters. Manley is a slimey slug..as for Martini,well...

Romero

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
QuoteChairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out

by Andrew Nikiforuk



By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.



The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.



Both the trade deal and Nexen sell-off prove that no one betrays Canadian interests better than a right-wing prime minister beholden to the interests of Big Oil and the myths of free trade.



"Chairman Harper" (and that's what members of his own party are calling him) crafted an Omnibus Bill last spring that cancelled federal science programs, gutted critical environmental legislation, made it easier to pollute water, centralized federal power, diminished protection for endangered species and attacked environmental groups. The bill not only makes it easier to build Northern Gateway but to serve some of least transparent and most corrupt corporations in China: Sinopec and CNOOC.



But Harper's Omnibus Bill, which declared Canada's formal entry into the ranks of dysfunctional petro states, was but window dressing for the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Act (FIPPA). It's the most significant trade deal since NAFTA but you won't read much about it in the national press. Given its deplorable content Harper appropriately inked the massive give-away in Vladivostok last month and then quietly tabled the deal in Ottawa without so much as a press release.



Osgoode law professor Gus Van Harten, an expert on such international doings, quickly found out why. After reading the brief document, he declared it a travesty and a formidable assault on Canada's democratic traditions. For starters the deal gives Chinese investors more rights and protections than Canadian entrepreneurs could ever win in China's incredibly corrupt markets.



Moreover the deal "allows Chinese companies to sue Canada outside of Canadian courts. Remarkably, the lawsuits can proceed behind closed doors. This shift to secrecy reverses a longstanding policy of the Canadian government."



Appallingly, the treaty would give Sinopec, one of the big Chinese backers of the Northern Gateway pipeline, the right to sue the government of British Columbia if it blocks the project. Sinopec could also demand that only Chinese labour and materials be used on the pipeline. Moreover the treaty gives Chinese state owned companies "the right to full protection and security from public opposition."



The agreement, like all bad deals, comes wrapped in totalitarian paper. The deal does not require provincial consent. It comes without any risk-benefit analysis. And it can be ratified into law without parliamentary debate. The more Harper wants to do business with China, the more he acts like another tank in Tiananmen Square. Barring a revolt within Harper's own party, the trade deal automatically becomes law on Nov. 1.



http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/11/Chairman-Harper/">//http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/11/Chairman-Harper/

Andrew Nikiforuk? That Tides rag The TYEE??  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yep. Good stuff.

Romero

Quote from: "Securious"Just a tool of the Establishment like his Dad was. PET was as idealogical as he was allowed to be by his masters.

Jesuits? Alien overlords from Planet X?

Securious

[size=200]Harper Has international journalists scratching their collective heads..[/size]



Fri 12 Oct 2012



By Joe Penney




DAKAR (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said on Friday that China's "very different" political and economic systems are a concern as his government decides whether to approve CNOOC Ltd's $15.1 billion bid for oil producer Nexen Inc.



The comments were some of the most revealing Harper has made in connection with the landmark CNOOC deal, which has raised fears over Chinese state-owned enterprises buying up Canadian energy assets.



Some members of Canada's governing Conservative Party are wary of the CNOOC bid, in part because of what they say are unfair Chinese business practices.



Harper - speaking to reporters in Dakar, Senegal - said Canada wants a growing relationship with China, but added that Chinese investments must be scrutinized from a national security perspective.



This week Ottawa hinted strongly that it would exclude Chinese telecommunication equipment giant Huawei Technologies Co Ltd from participating in the construction of a secure Canadian government communications network because of security risks.



Harper, asked about Huawei and the CNOOC takeover, began his answer by saying he would not comment on any particular transaction. But in his subsequent remarks he clearly touched upon both cases.



"The relationship with China is important. At the same time it's complex. It's complex because the Chinese obviously have very different systems than we do, economic and political systems, and that's why obviously some of these particular transactions raise concerns," he told reporters in Senegal.



The Conservatives need to balance concerns over security and an increased Chinese presence in Canada with their push to attract more foreign investment for the Canadian resource sector.



Ottawa says the oil and gas industry needs $650 billion ($663 billion) to fund new projects over the next decade alone, and concedes that much of the money will have to come from abroad.

The Canadian government this week extended its review of CNOOC's bid for Nexen by 30 days, to November 11. Earlier it had invoked a national security exemption that would allow it to block Huawei from participation in its new telecoms network.



The extension, while expected, comes amid a growing furor over alleged Chinese espionage in North America. Some Canadians also fear that a successful CNOOC bid for Nexen could spark a wave of mega takeovers of Canadian energy producers by foreign enterprises.



"We will ensure as a government that we have not only a growing relationship with China but a relationship with China that is in Canada's best interests," Harper said.



"And of course ... there's a national security dimension to this relationship, in fact to all our activities, that we take very seriously," he added.



Ottawa says that at about the same time it announces a verdict on the CNOOC bid, it will also unveil clearer guidelines indicating the kind of foreign investment Canada wants.



The oil sands of the Western Canadian province of Alberta are the world's third-largest oil deposit, and Nexen's portfolio includes operations in the oil sands as well as shale assets in the province of British Columbia and projects in other parts of the world.



If approved, the CNOOC bid will be the biggest Chinese takeover of a foreign company. The deal is being reviewed under the Investment Canada Act, which allows the government to examine whether a transaction is of "net benefit" to the country.



The government last blocked a foreign takeover deal in 2010 when it stunned markets by preventing Australia's BHP Billiton Ltd from buying fertilizer maker Potash Corp.



(Reporting by Joe Penney in Dakar and Euan Rocha in Toronto; Writing by Richard Valdmanis and David Ljunggren; Editing by David Lewis, Vicki Allen and Peter Galloway)

Securious


Securious

found this today,





Harper selling out Canada to Chinese interests !!!

by YVR Man » Today, 11:06




Mainpage/MemeBee







Here we go again with so-called Free trade malarky !!!



By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.



The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.



That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.



Both the trade deal and Nexen sell-off prove that no one betrays Canadian interests better than a right-wing prime minister beholden to the interests of Big Oil and the myths of free trade.



Now every literate Canadian recognizes that Harper, the libertarian economist, has been flying kites with pipeline lobbyists funded by China's national oil companies as well as the one-per-centers now ruling China for some time now.



Given that oil consumption in the United States is steadily dropping and that the incompetent petro state of Alberta has flooded the market with bitumen due to bad planning, low royalties and sheer stupidity,



Harper is frantically trying to save his Tory cohorts and their special petroleum interests by peddling bitumen to Asian refiners at any cost.

He's prepared to sell out Canada in the process ! ( another Malrooney wanna be ! ),

This is not what was promoted or discussed by Harper during the last election run ,

Harper has no mandate from Canadians to make this free trade agreement with the Chinese !!!

Securious

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Securious"same folks

Who?


PowerCorp et all incl/Rocthschilds [BOE] surrogate and Communist tutor/mentor Maurice Strong



Know these influences and thus know the political architecture of Canada vs/the BOE/Rothschild's & Co

Securious

all our leaders are,Harper perhaps less so