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[size=150]Rash of immolations in Tibet around China's[selected] state leader [figurehead] for the Hans[/size]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9639035/Seven-Tibetan-self-immolations-hit-China-in-a-week.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -week.html">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/tibet/9639035/Seven-Tibetan-self-immolations-hit-China-in-a-week.html

Securious

"I can assure you that our companies working in other countries are strictly doing business according to the local laws."[/b]"

If you really have the evidence, come [out] with it. If not... shut up," Zhang says  belligerently.



The Chinese ambassador's comments come on the heels of a scathing report released by a U.S. intelligence committee last month, warning of the security risks associated with doing business with two of China's leading telecommunications firms, Huawei and ZTE.



The ambassador said "even the United States could not give out evidence."



However, as CBC's Greg Weston reported days after the report was made public, that same U.S. intelligence committee has turned over to the FBI evidence of possible bribery and corruption by Huawei, one of the largest telecom companies in the world.



In an interview with CBC News after the U.S. report was released, the chairman of the committee, House Representative Mike Rogers, warned that Canada's national security was equally at risk.



Zhang said the "so-called security concerns" are "so far, groundless."



China's ambassador blamed the allegations of espionage against Chinese firms on "a Cold War mentality."



CNOOC's bid for Nexen

But a controversial bid by a Chinese state-owned company has raised concerns about growing Chinese investment in Canada's natural resources.



And while the federal government is reviewing a $15-billion proposed takeover by China National Offshore Oil Corp. of Calgary's Nexen Inc. under the Investment Canada Act, the Chinese ambassador told Solomon there's nothing to fear.



"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate," Zhang said, pointing to the fact that no oil or gas has been shipped from Canada to China yet.



The Chinese ambassador said Canada was "one of the best destination" for Chinese companies to invest partly because of our "transparent policies."



Official Opposition Leader Tom Mulcair has come out swinging against the deal, saying his New Democrats do not believe it's in Canada's best interest.



Members of the Conservative caucus are also said to be grappling with the bid, as are a majority of Canadians, who recent surveys suggest are uncomfortable with a major domestic oil company being sold to a Chinese government enterprise.



The federal government, however, is apparently facing pressure from industry to approve the bid in exchange for further reciprocity from China.



The review period has been extended to Dec. 10.



Investment treaty with China

The Conservatives have also come under heavy scrutiny from opposition parties and critics who have sounded the alarm over an investment treaty Prime Minister Stephen Harper recently signed with China, saying Canada will come out on the losing end of the deal.



Zhang brushed off the concerns, saying that China has signed similar investment treaties with more than a hundred countries and describing it as an "international standard agreement."



The treaty, formally known as a Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement, could have been ratified via a cabinet decree as early as 21 sitting days after it was tabled in Parliament on Sept. 26. But so far there's no indication on the federal government's website of orders-in-council that it has come into law.



Zhang said building "mutual trust" between the two countries is a priority, adding that the economic and trading relations between the two countries are "very important."



This week, Chinese Vice-President Xi Jinping succeeded outgoing President Hu Jintao as the country's new leader, assuming the top posts in the Communist Party.



Zhang said political reform is "high" on the government and party's agenda.



And [we] our [corrupt] politicians want trade relations with these ignorant people! NO THANKS!

Securious

Ignorant actually to think that they can bully Canada and that we don't know what we are doing...On the last point its true, we are allowing the enemy to dictate to us. Check out his statement...

 





"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate"

 :lol:  8-)  :mrgreen:



Oh good: They just want to "participate". They don't want to own our natural resources so they can exploit them for themselves and exclude Canadians. And those nasty rumours about counterfeiting and espionage. All false. Nothing to be concerned about there either.



It's time to stop pandering to these people..

Securious

#363
Quote from: "Securious"Ignorant actually to think that they can bully Canada and that we don't know what we are doing...On the last point its true, we are allowing the enemy to dictate to us. Check out his statement...

 





"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate"

 ]





Mr. Ambassador:

This is not China! Don't tell us to keep quiet!

One thing Canadians don't have to do, and will never do, is "keep quiet".



[the last thing this country wants is to be a Totalitarian Fascist Communist Regime, look at the Chinese bureaucracy, its huge! So we wont shut up. so shove it mate! ]..me S

Securious

[size=150]The American Viewpoint[/size]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-telecom-tiff-a-wake-up-call-for-china-us-relations/article4600525/?from=5403572">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-o ... om=5403572">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/video/video-telecom-tiff-a-wake-up-call-for-china-us-relations/article4600525/?from=5403572

Securious

#365
our "transparent' policies..in New Age double'speak means EASY, Shen. We [Canadian politicians-bought I may say] are pushovers on this China arrangement and he is exploiting that.

Securious

They know they can get boots on the ground over NEXEN and then a signing of their FIPA deal. Its so transparent to me and so many others , why cant you see this?



Look how they deal with other international issues they don't like









Here's another



here we go again, another

Securious

[size=200]So[/size]............ [size=200]"Saw seng"[/size] [size=200]&[/size] [size=200]" Dew Ney"[/size] [size=200]China!!!![/size]

Securious


Gary Oak

I have posted many times. When a chinese guy asks indignantly ? Do you have proof ?" this as a rule means that they know it's true and are smugly trying to be clever in a decietful way to win. He knows that CSIS isn't going to be so stupid as to reveal what they know.It also makes for him getting alot of face from his fellow Chinese everywhere including Canada.




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Securious

[size=200]Chinese envoy to Canada denies company spying[/size]



(AFP) MONTREAL — Beijing's envoy to Canada on Saturday denied that Chinese companies were involved in industrial espionage, and challenged anyone to prove the contrary.



"I can assure you that our companies working in other countries are strictly doing business according to the local laws," Ambassador Zhang Junsai told CBC radio.



"If you really have the evidence, come (out) with it. If not... shut up," he told CBC.



The diplomat blamed the allegations on "a Cold War mentality."



According to the ambassador, "even the United States could not give out evidence."



The comments come after a US House of Representatives panel in October concluded that Chinese telecom giants Huawei and ZTE pose a security threat and should be barred from US contracts and acquisitions.



The US House Intelligence Committee panel launched its probe over concerns that China could use the fast-growing firms for economic or military espionage, or cyber attacks.



Both Huawei and ZTE have denied any ties with the Chinese government. Top firm executives appeared at a Capitol Hill in September, stressing that they were focused on business, not politics.



The ambassador's statement comes as Canada's Conservative Party government has extended a probe into the proposed $15.1 billion takeover of Calgary-based oil and gas company Nexen by China's state-owned CNOOC.



"We're here not to grab your resources. We're here to participate," the ambassador told CBC.



A mid-October poll showed that nearly 60 percent of all Canadians fear that CNOOC, the China National Offshore Oil Corporation, would have a competitive advantage over public companies or believe foreign governments should not be able to control resources on Canadian soil.

Securious





will anyone help us fight corruption because no one in Uganda will?[/b] China need not apply, not after President Jintao warned on Thursday at the opening of the Communist Party congress that corruption "could prove fatal to the party" and potentially lead to the "fall of the state".



Hello Mr. Obama

Securious

[size=150]Feds Caught Between A Rock And A Hard Place; They're Dithering[/size]

[size=200]Feds won't be pushed into fast decision on Nexen... [/size]



VANCOUVER, CALGARY — The Globe and Mail



Published Friday, Nov. 16 2012    




The federal government is not rushing to rule on whether state-owned foreign companies can buy Canadian resources without comprehensive examinations, even with a key deadline on the horizon.



Ed Fast, Minister for International Trade and for the Asia-Pacific Gateway, said he expects Ottawa to clarify the so-called net benefit test "very soon." Foreign companies must prove their acquisitions will benefit Canada to obtain approval for proposed takeovers of domestic companies with assets of more than $312-million. Industry Minister Christian Paradis is currently reviewing two major deals involving state-controlled companies out of Asia.



 Motorists pump natural gas at a Petronas station in Kuala Lumpur. By far the largest shareholder in Progress Energy Resources Corp. is the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board, which own 37.5 million shares - so this deal costs the CPP $375-million. REUTERS

Market View

Video: Market View: Petronas block raises questions about another energy takeover: Nexen



"I would say this: With respect to the Chinese, Canadians expect us to exercise a high level of due diligence in our dealings with our trade partners, especially where state-owned enterprises are concerned. I would hope that the Chinese also understand how important this is to Canada that we get it right," Mr. Fast said in an interview Thursday. "I'm committed to getting it right and I know that the Industry Minister is committed to getting it right. ... Our government is committed to getting it right. But we will not be pushed or hurried into making these kinds of decisions."



China's CNOOC Ltd. wants to buy Nexen Inc. for $15.1-billion (U.S.), while Malaysia's Petronas has struck a $6-billion takeover deal with Progress Energy Resources Corp. Both deals are in limbo as Ottawa refines its net benefit rules, although the government's forthcoming clarifications will affect far more than the two deals.



State-owned companies in Asia, which have the cash to fund growth in Canada's energy sector in a way domestic companies cannot, are hungry for assets in western Canada. If the rules are too restrictive, however, they may stay away. This could chill international trade, as well as slow growth in the oil sands and expensive unconventional gas plays. North American natural gas prices are stagnant, but Canada has the potential to develop a liquefied natural gas market if the capital is available.



Mr. Fast said the timing for clarifying the net benefit rules depends "solely" on Mr. Paradis, although he expects an announcement soon. "Our government will be coming out with clarifications on the guidelines we apply and I expect that is going to happen very soon," Mr. Fast said.



Asked whether details could come next week, he added: "Maybe." The government, however, has been promising to clarify the rules for months. On Oct. 22, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, for example, said there would be news in the "not-too-distant" future.



Petronas and Progress had expected the government to approve their union without difficulty. Mr. Paradis, however, rejected the deal when the review period ended on Oct. 19, although sources say he was left no option after Petronas refused to extend the deadline. Petronas's executives then quickly went to Ottawa to negotiate – they had another 30 days to sway Mr. Paradis – and Reuters and the Wall Street Journal reported Friday the Malaysian company submitted a modified bid about two weeks ago. The review period can be extended again should both sides agree. The current examination period expires around Monday. (Investment Canada will not clarify when the 30-day clock started ticking and what happens if the expiration date falls on the weekend, as it appears to. Progress said that is confidential.)



Greg Kist, Progress's vice-president of marketing, corporate and government relations, would not say whether Petronas has submitted a revised offer to Ottawa, noting the company does not have standing on the file.



"I could certainly point you to back to what Petronas indicated before – in their last news release – that it would be making additional submissions after having met with Industry Canada officials and obviously meetings have happened," he said.



CNOOC and Nexen's next review deadline is Monday, Dec. 10, although that can be extended, too.

Securious

[size=200]Coal Mine Looked For Cheaper Workers[/size]



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