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Quote from: "cc"
QuoteThere is no political choice in Canada.


Exactly - Lesser of evils is best we can do


While we endure the current system, it's the best ANY nation can do.



We need a better system. Yesterday.

I don't think Canad's system is the best any nation can do.

Anonymous

By Farzana Hassan



From Sun News Media



We tend to place individuals and ideologies in neat, homogeneous compartments, when shades of grey better convey the reality.



This seems to have happened in the controversy surrounding the tiff between Faisal Khan Suri, president of the Alberta Muslim Public Affairs Council, and Conservative MP Michael Cooper — an exchange which led to the latter's eviction from a Commons committee.



Cooper stated that lumping conservatism with extremist white nationalist factions was objectionable and defamatory. Suri then accused Cooper of insensitivity when Cooper read out passages from Christchurch terrorist Brenton Tarrant's manifesto, which has been banned in New Zealand. Cooper simply wanted to demonstrate that Tarrant claimed to have been influenced by China and that he didn't identify with conservatism.



In effect, Cooper was asserting that white nationalism and conservatism are two separate ideologies. He is right and there is plenty of evidence for this here in Canada.



Andrew Scheer has denounced racist factions by stating that "people know the Conservative Party is open and welcoming... we denounce any elements of society that would promote hate speech." Also, just as mainstream conservatism cannot be pigeonholed with extremist white nationalism, neither can most Muslims be automatically associated with the ideologies of extreme jihadist factions. Conservatives understand this, which is shown by the fact that Maxine Bernier's far-right People's Party has garnered little support.



Admittedly, white nationalists have in the past leaned towards the political right, and this has created the false impression that white supremacists are an outgrowth of legitimate and peaceful conservatism. A stigma attaches to conservative parties because the altright and violent white nationalists have supported them, such as the notion that Ku Klux Klan supporters overwhelmingly leaned Republican in the 2016 US election.



The desire to promote and value the best in what is Western is imperative and therefore commendable, and moderate conservatives see this has no connection with race. What is Western now is far more racially fluid and diverse than what white nationalist extremists perceive. For example, many of us from non-white communities have come to appreciate Canadian values because we have been fully accepted here.



The perception that everything associated with the West is necessarily exclusive to white culture — a notion at the heart of white nationalism — is often anathema to mainstream conservatives. Millions of us have migrated to open and enlightened Western nations from foreign lands with different traditions. We have come to adopt and appreciate the tolerance our adopted nations have created and honed. Contrary to what some may feel, even a significant segment of Canadian Muslims endorse Western values.



The inclusive democracies that the Western world has built are based on principles of pluralism, human dignity and universal human rights. Enlightened campaigners have engineered this type of society, but liberal principles can be appreciated only by those liberal enough to value them. While some migrants from traditional and patriarchal communities have shown little respect for our open societies, the majority of immigrants are well integrated and law-abiding.



Our values are worth preserving but they need to be seen through a non-racial lens that includes many of us from non-white cultures.



The long-term success of moderate conservatism depends on how far our community can abandon the notion that values are narrow and relative, rooted within the culture of a particular racial group.



Michael Cooper was not insensitive to allude to the Christchurch shooter's so-called manifesto. He is right to insist that it is a slur to draw any link between those hateful beliefs and established conservative ideas.

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I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

I am not a conservative, but lumping them with white separatists.  :2r4ml1j_th:

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Justine's Canada.

Wazzzup

I read this before but didn't comment--so here goes--



This is disgusting progtard shit  (and cowardly behavior on the supposed right) on several levels-



1. These attempts to say conservatives are the same as white supremacists are pure propaganda crap.  What would the left do if conservatives called every leftist a jihadist terrorist?  



2. he was obviously using the manifestos words to show how the New Zealend killer had very little common with conservatives, a perfectly legitimate reason to quote them -- talk about of context.



3.  It looks like Scheer pulled a Jeff Flake/ McCain/ Romney move and joined the libtards in throwing this guy under the bus without cause.  



Sickening shit all the way around.  This is what the left and cowards on the (supposed right) constantly do.  



Not just the left's fault--with a lot of help from cowards on the supposed right, The left is destroying our societies and making them more like the Soviet Union/Nazi Germany a little more every day.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"I read this before but didn't comment--so here goes--



This is disgusting progtard shit  (and cowardly behavior on the supposed right) on several levels-



1 these attempts to say conservatives are the same as white supremacists are bullshit.  What would the left do if conservatives called every leftist a jihadist terrorist?  



2. he was obviously using the manifestos words to show how the New Zealend killer had very little common with conservatives,  -- talk about of context.



3.  It looks like Scheer pulled a Jeff Flake/ McCain/ Romney move and joined the libtards in throwing this guy under the bus without cause.  



Sickening shit all the way around.  This is what the left and cowards on the (supposed right) constantly do.



The left is destroying our societies and making them more like the USSR/Nazi Germany a little more every day.

If Scheer had any backbone, he would have defended Cooper instead of jumping on the dogpile. Shame on Andrew Scheer.