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Trudeau's double standard for Canadian oil

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By LORNE GUNTER



The federal government is not subjecting foreign oil imported into Canada to the same environmental standards is has imposed on Western Canadian oil.



Canadian companies that want to build pipelines now have to account for what are called upstream and downstream emissions before the federal Liberals will approve their construction plans.



Basically, pipeline companies have to take responsibility for all the greenhouse gas emissions produced by the oil or bitumen as it is extracted from the ground, even before it enters their proposed pipeline. And they must own the emissions after the oil leaves their line to be refined or used in power plants or vehicles.



This requirement is new since the Liberals took over in Ottawa. It came out last summer after a bunch of Liberal appointees joined the National Energy Board (NEB).



t is, effectively, a death sentence for any pipeline not yet approved. And that is why environmentalists, such as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's chief adviser Gerald Butts (the former Canadian head of the World Wildlife Fund), have pushed for it for years.



Eco-activists calculated that if they could get the NEB to impose upstream and downstream regulations on pipelines, the projects would become so uneconomical that companies proposing them would walk away.



That is exactly what happened with TransCanada's Energy East project last September. One month after the new upstream/downstream rules were imposed, TransCanada announced it was abandoning the project.



It was a huge victory for environmentalists and for the Trudeau Liberals.



Quebec wasn't mad that Ottawa approved the project, because it didn't. And, in the West, the Libs could deny they had killed the line because it was the company that threw up its hands.



APPROVED BEFORE CHANGES

Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain line and Enbridge's Line 3 replacement were both approved before the new regs came into effect.



After the death of Energy East, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) decided to file access to information requests with the federal government asking whether foreign oil imported to Canada was subject to the new upstream/downstream scrutiny.



The answer, revealed Wednesday, is outrageous.



Imported foreign oil is not subject to the same Liberal environmental regulations as Western Canadian oil.



Oil imported from Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Iraq or any other country is not subject to upstream/downstream regs.



We are already having to offer a discount on our oil exports of up to 40 per cent because we have no pipelines to get our product to market swiftly and reliably.



Now the Liberal government is imposing further restrictions on Alberta and Saskatchewan oil and bitumen that will have the effect of trapping even more of it in the ground.



ACTIONS HAVING NEGATIVE EFFECTS

The federal Liberals and provincial NDP may claim they are doing all they can to get our oil to "tidewater." Yet most of the concrete actions they take – upstream/downstream regulations, emission caps on the oilsands, carbon taxes, coal phase-out and so on – have the effect of shutting-in our energy and driving away investors.



Canada is the fifth-largest oil producer in the world. We produce 3.8 million barrels a day, export about 2.7 million and keep about 1.1 million for domestic refining.



But we also import between 700,000 and 800,000 barrels daily.



We could, over time, replace all of that with Western or Newfoundland oil. Instead, federal Liberal policy is moving the needle the other way – towards more imports and lower domestic production.



We are losing billions in new GDP all across the country and billions more in government revenues – money that is almost certainly flowing out of the country to foreign governments and companies.



And there is no environmental benefit. Other countries are just upping their production to take up our slack.

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Trapping our resources and exporting our jobs while racking up deficits. Canadians lose, the US and OPEC win. Welcome to the Trudeau and NDP vision for Canadian industry----more imports and less exports.

Bricktop

I look at our wreck of a PM, and think things can't get worse.



Then I read about Trudeau...and I feel a little bit better.

Anonymous

My husband's shop may move to North Dakota..



If they do, it's our pm who forced us out.

Anonymous

Quote from: "seoulbro"By LORNE GUNTER



The federal government is not subjecting foreign oil imported into Canada to the same environmental standards is has imposed on Western Canadian oil.



Canadian companies that want to build pipelines now have to account for what are called upstream and downstream emissions before the federal Liberals will approve their construction plans.



Basically, pipeline companies have to take responsibility for all the greenhouse gas emissions produced by the oil or bitumen as it is extracted from the ground, even before it enters their proposed pipeline. And they must own the emissions after the oil leaves their line to be refined or used in power plants or vehicles.



This requirement is new since the Liberals took over in Ottawa. It came out last summer after a bunch of Liberal appointees joined the National Energy Board (NEB).



t is, effectively, a death sentence for any pipeline not yet approved. And that is why environmentalists, such as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's chief adviser Gerald Butts (the former Canadian head of the World Wildlife Fund), have pushed for it for years.



Eco-activists calculated that if they could get the NEB to impose upstream and downstream regulations on pipelines, the projects would become so uneconomical that companies proposing them would walk away.



That is exactly what happened with TransCanada's Energy East project last September. One month after the new upstream/downstream rules were imposed, TransCanada announced it was abandoning the project.



It was a huge victory for environmentalists and for the Trudeau Liberals.



Quebec wasn't mad that Ottawa approved the project, because it didn't. And, in the West, the Libs could deny they had killed the line because it was the company that threw up its hands.



APPROVED BEFORE CHANGES

Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain line and Enbridge's Line 3 replacement were both approved before the new regs came into effect.



After the death of Energy East, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) decided to file access to information requests with the federal government asking whether foreign oil imported to Canada was subject to the new upstream/downstream scrutiny.



The answer, revealed Wednesday, is outrageous.



Imported foreign oil is not subject to the same Liberal environmental regulations as Western Canadian oil.



Oil imported from Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Iraq or any other country is not subject to upstream/downstream regs.



We are already having to offer a discount on our oil exports of up to 40 per cent because we have no pipelines to get our product to market swiftly and reliably.



Now the Liberal government is imposing further restrictions on Alberta and Saskatchewan oil and bitumen that will have the effect of trapping even more of it in the ground.



ACTIONS HAVING NEGATIVE EFFECTS

The federal Liberals and provincial NDP may claim they are doing all they can to get our oil to "tidewater." Yet most of the concrete actions they take – upstream/downstream regulations, emission caps on the oilsands, carbon taxes, coal phase-out and so on – have the effect of shutting-in our energy and driving away investors.



Canada is the fifth-largest oil producer in the world. We produce 3.8 million barrels a day, export about 2.7 million and keep about 1.1 million for domestic refining.



But we also import between 700,000 and 800,000 barrels daily.



We could, over time, replace all of that with Western or Newfoundland oil. Instead, federal Liberal policy is moving the needle the other way – towards more imports and lower domestic production.



We are losing billions in new GDP all across the country and billions more in government revenues – money that is almost certainly flowing out of the country to foreign governments and companies.



And there is no environmental benefit. Other countries are just upping their production to take up our slack.

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Trapping our resources and exporting our jobs while racking up deficits. Canadians lose, the US and OPEC win. Welcome to the Trudeau and NDP vision for Canadian industry----more imports and less exports.

No news here. Everyone knew foreign oil was exempt from the excessive regulations designed to kill

Energy East. Trudeau killed the near sixteen billion dollar project because he knew it would bleed votes to the NDP in Quebec. Trudeau wins and Canadians lose.

Wazzzup

That's what globalism is about-- a weird Anti-nationalist self loathing of one's own country, people and culture and often putting all other countries interests before one's own.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"That's what globalism is about-- a weird Anti-nationalist self loathing of one's own country, people and culture and often putting all other countries interests before one's own.

Justine loathes regular people who have to do something he's never had to do; work for a living.



He is a spoiled, elitist, lazy brat who has never met a job creator in his life. He has been around lobbyists, NGO bosses, senior civil servants all his life. He looks down on working people who make the money he spends buying votes. He has no problem killing a major industrial project like Energy East because he looks down  on the people who will make it and the people like me who will keep it filled.



Justine cares only about Justine. He is a narcissist and wants to look good internationally. Getting a thumbs up from prog billionaires in California, and New York is more important to him than weaning his oil rich country off of foreign oil and creating thousands of good jobs.



To sum up, Justine is a selfish idiotic asshole who doesn't give two shits about the working people of this country.

Anonymous

CALGARY, AB: The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) released documents obtained from the federal government through Access to Information that show foreign oil is getting a free emissions pass from the federal government – one that is costing taxpayers billions of dollars.

CALGARY, AB: The Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF) released documents obtained from the federal government through Access to Information that show foreign oil is getting a free emissions pass from the federal government – one that is costing taxpayers billions of dollars.



The CTF then filed Access to Information requests with the federal government, and has discovered that foreign oil imported into Canada will not be subjected to a similar review.



"Ottawa is holding Canadian oil to a higher standard than foreign oil that is imported to Canada," said CTF Alberta Director Colin Craig. "The situation is insane. By putting up roadblocks in front of Canadian oil companies, governments are literally losing out on billions in lost tax revenues."



A 2014 report by the Canadian Energy Research Institute noted the Energy East project would have contributed $7.6 billion in tax revenues, including $3.5 billion in federal revenues – money that could have been used to help pay for government services or pay down debt.



"The rest of the world is laughing at us," added Craig. "Canada has the third largest oil reserves in the world and yet we're spending billions each year on importing oil. Then, when someone tries to build a pipeline to eastern Canada to reduce reliance on foreign oil, the federal government puts up a roadblock. It's crazy."



The following are links to Access to Information responses from federal departments about "upstream and downstream" emissions reviews for foreign oil:



Environment and Climate Change Canada – click here

Global Affairs Canada – click here

Natural Resources Canada – click here

Transport Canada – click here

https://boereport.com/2018/03/14/ctf-free-pass-for-foreign-oil-costs-taxpayers-billions/">https://boereport.com/2018/03/14/ctf-fr ... -billions/">https://boereport.com/2018/03/14/ctf-free-pass-for-foreign-oil-costs-taxpayers-billions/



This is treasonous. Deliberately causing harm to Canada and it's citizens while aiding foreign nations and companies. Hey hey, ho ho, Justin Trudeau has got to go.

Angry White Male

I voted for Harper, and people frowned upon me doing so...

Anonymous

Quote from: "Angry White Male"I voted for Harper, and people frowned upon me doing so...

I had no use for Harper either, but anything is better than Trudeau.