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The Great Climate Change Swindle goes on...

Started by Bricktop, March 07, 2018, 10:43:08 PM

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https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/more-hot-air-on-climate-change-from-the-abc/">//https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/more-hot-air-on-climate-change-from-the-abc/



So called "scientists" fail to take into account the change in observations relate to their change in measurement techniques.

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Quote from: "Bricktop"https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/more-hot-air-on-climate-change-from-the-abc/">//https://www.spectator.com.au/2018/03/more-hot-air-on-climate-change-from-the-abc/



So called "scientists" fail to take into account the change in observations relate to their change in measurement techniques.

While I still believe in the actual science of AGW, we cannot ignore the deceptions either deliberate or not that have fueled alarmism.

Anonymous

I simply don't know what to believe anymore, other than carbon taxes are an expensive waste.

Bricktop


Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"And that is all we need to know.

How can alarmists expect the unwashed masses to blindly accept some claims that have been found to be inaccurate. Sometimes deliberately so. I know they are backed up by billions of dollars, but we the people are not getting our cut.

Bricktop


Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"The Con that cried Wolf.

I just don't know, but I do not believe doom and gloom scenarios that are followed by the need for expensive changes that we must pay for.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"The Con that cried Wolf.

Whenever climate models are wrong or worse someone is caught deliberately with their thumb on the scale the alarmists attack the messenger. This is particularly galling in my opinion.

Wazzzup

I knew back when these "Scientists" used tricks to get rid of the global warming hiatus that they were cheating and everything since then has only confirmed it more.

https://thebluecashew.net/politics-f7/exposed-how-world-leaders-were-duped-into-investing-billions-over-manipulated-global-warming-data-t6357-20.html?hilit=global%20warming">https://thebluecashew.net/politics-f7/exposed-how-world-leaders-were-duped-into-investing-billions-over-manipulated-global-warming-data-t6357-20.html?hilit=global%20warming



Now the progressives are using a lot of the same totalitarian methods they do on other free speech matters, intimidation, social ostracization, even deliberately trying to silence detractors with lawsuits.



Lefties have even just recently created a play called 'Kill Climate Deniers'

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rical-run/">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/



The whole thing has been corrupted and politicized through and through from top to bottom.  



They cannot be trusted to tell us the truth.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"I knew back when these "Scientists" used tricks to get rid of the global warming hiatus that they were cheating and everything since then has only confirmed it more.

https://thebluecashew.net/politics-f7/exposed-how-world-leaders-were-duped-into-investing-billions-over-manipulated-global-warming-data-t6357-20.html?hilit=global%20warming">https://thebluecashew.net/politics-f7/exposed-how-world-leaders-were-duped-into-investing-billions-over-manipulated-global-warming-data-t6357-20.html?hilit=global%20warming



Now the progressives are using a lot of the same totalitarian methods they do on other free speech matters, intimidation, social ostracization, even deliberately trying to silence detractors with lawsuits.



Lefties have even just recently created a play called 'Kill Climate Deniers'

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... rical-run/">https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/1/kill-climate-deniers-play-launches-theatrical-run/



The whole thing has been corrupted and politicized through and through from top to bottom.  



They cannot be trusted to tell us the truth.

I've heard some of these instances of manipulation of data and then cover up after..



But, why doesn't the really big media in Canada and the USA even report it..



If they do report it they blame the whistleblower.

Anonymous

Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Bricktop"And that is all we need to know.

How can alarmists expect the unwashed masses to blindly accept some claims that have been found to be inaccurate. Sometimes deliberately so. I know they are backed up by billions of dollars, but we the people are not getting our cut.

Take the money out of this and we'd see a balanced discussion on AGW.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Bricktop"And that is all we need to know.

How can alarmists expect the unwashed masses to blindly accept some claims that have been found to be inaccurate. Sometimes deliberately so. I know they are backed up by billions of dollars, but we the people are not getting our cut.

Take the money out of this and we'd see a balanced discussion on AGW.

There has to be a reason why science has become so politicized they would deliberately deceive us.

Bricktop

EVERYTHING has been politicised.



Gender. Sexuality. Religion. Culture. Immigration.



This period of civilisation is collapsing.

Anonymous

And Justine keeps writing IOU's he knows he can't pay.



From Lorrie Goldstein of Postmedia

Federal Environment and Climate Change Minister Catherine Mckenna's claim on Tuesday that Canada will meet its 2030 industrial greenhouse gas emission targets would have been more credible had she explained how.



Particularly so since the Brian Mulroney, Jean Chretien, Paul Martin and Stephen Harper governments all made similar claims while failing to meet their emission targets.



Indeed, the Chretien government knew, when it signed the Kyoto accord in 1998, that it was highly unlikely to ever achieve its promised targets, as acknowledged in 2007 by Chretien's former principal secretary, Eddie Goldenberg.



The Justin Trudeau government's pledge to Canadians and to the international community, through the United Nations, is that Canada will reduce its greenhouse gas emissions linked to man-made climate change to 30% below 2005 levels by 2030.



This used to be Harper's target which the Liberals in opposition mocked, before adopting it once in government.



To achieve this, the Trudeau government will have to reduce Canada's emissions from 722 megatonnes (Mt) annually to 517 Mt in less than 13 years.



This 205 Mt annual reduction would require the equivalent of shutting down Canada's transportation sector (173 Mt annually), plus 66% of our waste disposal sector (48 Mt annually).



To put the unlikelihood of this happening in perspective, Canada between 2014 and 2015, the last year for which statistics are available, reduced its emissions by a mere 5 Mt annually.



This also assumes the Trudeau government will still be in power in 2030, which seems unlikely.



The less fantastical goal for this government to actually achieve, since it will be in power until 2019, would be its commitment to Canadians and the international community to reduce Canada's emissions to 17% below 2005 levels by 2020.



To reach that target, the Liberals will have to reduce Canada's emissions from 722 Mt annually to 613 Mt, or by 109 Mt annually, the equivalent of shutting down our electricity sector (79 Mt annually) plus 41% of our agricultural sector (73 Mt annually) in less than three years.



In December, Mckenna reported to the UN that even if it implements its entire climate action plan, including projects envisioned but not yet begun, it will fall 66 Mt short of its 2030 goal.



A 66 Mt shortfall would mean shutting down the equivalent of almost all of Canada's agricultural sector.



In assuring Canadians that the Trudeau government is committed "all in" to achieving its 2030 emission target, Mckenna offered no specifics as to what additional measures to reduce emissions the Trudeau government is prepared to take.



She vaguely cited technological improvements, reforestation and government spending on public transportation, but none of these on their own, or in concert, will come anywhere close to achieving the Trudeau government's 2020 or 2030 promises.



In 2016, the Trudeau government said it would also consider buying billions of dollars worth of "carbon offsets" on global carbon markets, ignoring the fact they are riddled by fraud.



Mckenna's own environment ministry has advised the government that to achieve its emission targets, it will have to dramatically increase its national carbon price, eventually rising to hundreds of dollars per tonne of emissions, compared to its current plan of $10 per tonne starting later this year, rising to $50 per tonne in 2022. The problem is that a carbon price of hundreds of dollars per tonne would provoke a devastating recession given the dramatic increase it would cause to the cost of living for Canadians, unless it was revenue neutral, returning all the money raised to taxpayers in the form of outright grants or tax cuts.



The fact the Trudeau government has no intention of doing this, or requiring provincial governments to do it, exposes its carbon pricing scheme for what it is — a blatant tax grab which will make Canadians poorer while having no significant impact on emissions.

Bricktop

I am still waiting for our politicans...ANY politicians...to tell me exactly how much the global temperature will reduce as a result of their low emissions target.



They are grasping at smoke. The whole notion of reducing global emissions rests on the US, China, India, the EU and Russia. Any country outside this group can do what they want.



It will make no difference.