Voters tiring of climate change

[Bricktop]

Still here?



Thought you were leaving. For good.

[Angry White Male]

Why are you a spamming old goof?  Time to wash down some more SSRI's!

[Anonymous]

As much as you've got. Their whole premise is to take YOUR money and give it to someone else.

They don't even pretend anymore that the confiscated money is used for anything, but general revenues. Very dishonest.

Particularly when they never mentioned carbon sales tax during elections.

It's a sales tax. It's spent no differently than the GST.

[Anonymous]

The Trudeau government's approach to addressing climate change — a combination of arrogance, ignorance and wishful thinking — has been on full display in Ottawa in recent days.



On Sunday, on CTV's Question Period, Environment Minister Catherine McKenna repeatedly dodged basic questions from host Evan Solomon on how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will reach his absurdly unrealistic 2030 greenhouse gas emission reduction target.



Instead, she veered off into a partisan rant about, how, because she has "three kids" and we need to "save the planet," she has "no time" for Canadians, including federal and provincial politicians, who oppose Trudeau's carbon pricing scheme.



McKenna equated that with climate denial, with those who, she said, "pretend that climate change isn't real."



So if you're not on board with Trudeau's carbon pricing scheme, according to McKenna, you're against children and the planet.



Last week, Trudeau in the House of Commons and McKenna in environment committee hearings, failed to answer another basic question posed by Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer and Tory MP Robert Sopuck, respectively.



That was: How much will Trudeau's $50 per tonne national carbon price (in 2022) reduce Canada's emissions?



(Thanks to my former Sun News colleague Brian Lilley for pointing this out on Twitter.)



The Trudeau-McKenna response was to attack the Conservatives under Stephen Harper for doing nothing about climate change during their 10 years in office, failing to mention that the prior Liberal governments of Jean Chretien and Paul Martin did nothing for 13 years before that.



The reason Trudeau and McKenna didn't say how many megatonnes of emissions the PM's $50 per tonne national carbon price will reduce Canada's emissions by — a megatonne or Mt represents a million tonnes of emissions  — is that they don't know.



That's because imposing a national carbon price in the way Trudeau has done it will only tell the federal and compliant provincial governments how much money it will take from Canadians due to these emissions, not how much emissions will be reduced.



That can only be determined after the fact by trial and error, using the guideline that the higher the carbon price, the more emissions fall.



But even that isn't reliable if the goods and services to which the carbon price is applied are necessities, such as electricity or home heating fuel, which consumers must buy no matter the cost.



The government's own experts have advised McKenna that to reach Trudeau's emission target would, in their estimate, require a $100 per tonne carbon price by 2020 (not $50 by 2022) and up to $300 per tonne by 2050.



At one point in Solomon's questioning of McKenna, citing a recent report by the federal environment commissioner and nine provincial auditors general that Canada isn't on track to meet its 2020 or 2030 targets, McKenna descended into fantasy.



"Our emissions were going up when we came into government," McKenna responded, "and actually the UN report, it showed, 200 megatonnes — that probably doesn't mean much to people — that's a significant drop in our emissions."



But the UN report doesn't say Canada reduced its emissions by 200 Mt under the Liberals, which is what McKenna implied.



It says Canada must cut its emissions by 219 Mt by 2030 to meet Trudeau's target (which used to be Harper's target) of 30% below 2005 levels by then.



To do that, Trudeau would have to shut down the equivalent of Canada's transportation sector (173 Mt annually) and waste disposal sector (48 Mt annually) in less than 13 years.



Since Canada's emissions dropped by a mere 5 Mt between 2014 and 2015 to 722 Mt, the last year for which statistics are available, this seems highly unlikely.



The truth is Liberal and Conservative governments have failed to meet their emission reduction targets for a quarter century.



The only difference now is that the Trudeau Liberals want to charge us for their failures.

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Typical McKenna/Trudeau obfuscation when asked how much will it cost Canadians and how much it move the climate needle; climate change is real and I have no time for deniers. Thanks for not answering simple questions.

[Anonymous]

Catherine McKenna is getting a little testy. And you can certainly see why.



The incoming national carbon tax that she's been promoting alongside Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is really taking a beating. So much so that the majority of Canadians might be asking for its repeal come the next election.



McKenna, the environment and climate change minister, appeared on the Sunday talk show CTV Question Period to discuss issues pertinent to her file with host Evan Solomon.



An increasing number of mainstream political leaders are speaking defiantly against carbon taxes and are poised to bring millions of Canadian voters along with them for the ride.



This trend doesn't sit well with McKenna. "I have no time for folks who are like, you know, 'We shouldn't take action,'" she told Solomon, adding, "I don't have time for politicians that play cynical games about climate action."



She was pressed on the fact that when you're in government it's your job to have time for those who disagree with you, to which she responded: "I have time for Canadians who disagree with me, and I have conversations with them all the time... But I don't have time for politicians that pretend climate change isn't real."



It was a classic obfuscation trick. No one is saying whether climate change is or isn't real. They're saying they don't like carbon taxes.



The recent Manitoba budget offers just one more reason to oppose the tax: despite being sold as revenue neutral, the province's version of the tax will cost families $300 per year and is profiting government coffers over $100 million.



Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe is against it. Alberta United Conservative Leader Jason Kenney is against it. Ontario PC Leader Doug Ford is against it. These three leaders (one a current premier, the other two poised to win upcoming elections) represent more than half the population.



This should be a clear signal to Trudeau to back off. While the carbon tax was in the Liberal 2015 Real Change platform, it was not a primary plank. The election wasn't fought over it; the tax never received a firm mandate.



"We'll be a force to be reckoned with," Ford told me onstage at the Manning Networking Centre in February, over him and the other premiers taking this on. "Maybe he should revisit it," he said of Trudeau's position.



The most testy part of McKenna's interview though came when she was asked what she'd do if Moe, Kenney and Ford pursued legal action against the Liberal government.



"They'll lose in court," she hit back bluntly. While that could prove true, the notion of the federal government fighting in court to impose an unpopular tax on Canadians is horrendous optics.



For a while, Canadians seemed to accept carbon taxes as something of a fait accompli. People either didn't know much about it or, if they did, they figured it was already locked in and there was little they could do.



That's starting to shift, and fast. If Kenney and Ford win on this issue, they'll be giving federal Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer the green light to campaign hard against Trudeau's tax in 2019.



We could soon find ourselves like Australia. They introduced a carbon tax in 2012 without a clear mandate. It proved unpopular, an election was fought over it and a new government came to power that promptly axed the tax in 2014.



It already looks like Canada is heading that way.

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Sorry McKenna, by this time next year there will be three premiers representing half of Canada's population who don't want to impose your blatant cash confiscation on their provinces. Refusing to answer questions and calling people deniers no longer washes.

[Anonymous]

I live in a province with a very expensive carbon tax..



We wouldn't object to it if we felt it was making a difference to the climate and environment, but that is not the case..



It's an additional revenue source for the provincial government.

[Anonymous]

I live in a province with a very expensive carbon tax..



We wouldn't object to it if we felt it was making a difference to the climate and environment, but that is not the case..



It's an additional revenue source for the provincial government.

If you don't like having less disposable income, than remember that at your next provincial election and the next federal election.

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[Anonymous]

Our provincial government passed a carbon tax that will take  effect September 1 f this year. It will be $25 per tonne carbon tax driving up gas prices by 5.32 cents/litre.







Effective Sept. 2, gasoline will cost 5.32 cents more per litre and diesel will cost 6.71 cents more per litre.

Average Manitobans will pay an extra $125 per year at the pumps when the carbon tax takes effect on Sept. 1, the Progressive Conservatives' 2018-19 spending plan says.



Big emitters and agricultural producers will see exemptions, but the carbon tax will increase the cost of home heating and transportation fuel when it takes effect this fall, the provincial budget says.



Finance Minister Cameron Friesen tabled his third budget Monday, filling in a little more detail about its Made-in-Manitoba Climate and Green Plan.



The plan was introduced in October 2017 and includes a $25-per-tonne carbon tax for the next four years.



Effective Sept. 1, various fuels will see different price hikes under the tax, based on how much greenhouse gas they emit. The budget pins these at:



Gasoline – 5.32 cents/litre.

Diesel – 6.71 cents/litre.

Natural gas – 4.74 cents/cubic metre.

Propane – 3.87 cents/litre.

The budget estimates that will translate to an extra $115 more per year for natural gas for the average household, and an additional $125 for gas.



For the government, the tax will yield a net revenue of $143 million in the 2018-19 fiscal year, the budget says. A full 12-month period following implementation will yield a net revenue of $248 million, and most of that will come from space heating and transportation fuels, the budget says.



The sellout of the middle class by progs on the left and the right continues.

[Anonymous]

Our provincial government passed a carbon tax that will take  effect September 1 f this year. It will be $25 per tonne carbon tax driving up gas prices by 5.32 cents/litre.







Effective Sept. 2, gasoline will cost 5.32 cents more per litre and diesel will cost 6.71 cents more per litre.

Average Manitobans will pay an extra $125 per year at the pumps when the carbon tax takes effect on Sept. 1, the Progressive Conservatives' 2018-19 spending plan says.



Big emitters and agricultural producers will see exemptions, but the carbon tax will increase the cost of home heating and transportation fuel when it takes effect this fall, the provincial budget says.



Finance Minister Cameron Friesen tabled his third budget Monday, filling in a little more detail about its Made-in-Manitoba Climate and Green Plan.



The plan was introduced in October 2017 and includes a $25-per-tonne carbon tax for the next four years.



Effective Sept. 1, various fuels will see different price hikes under the tax, based on how much greenhouse gas they emit. The budget pins these at:



Gasoline – 5.32 cents/litre.

Diesel – 6.71 cents/litre.

Natural gas – 4.74 cents/cubic metre.

Propane – 3.87 cents/litre.

The budget estimates that will translate to an extra $115 more per year for natural gas for the average household, and an additional $125 for gas.



For the government, the tax will yield a net revenue of $143 million in the 2018-19 fiscal year, the budget says. A full 12-month period following implementation will yield a net revenue of $248 million, and most of that will come from space heating and transportation fuels, the budget says.



The sellout of the middle class by progs on the left and the right continues.

At $25 per tonne, it's lower than ours, but it's still a cash take from the middle class..



Is their opposition to it IHJ?

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He certainly followed the advice written on that banner.

[Anonymous]

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He walked the talk, that's for sure.

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