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Quote from: "Bricktop"Salt water aquariums require much greater precision in creating the correct salinity and water properties than fresh water.



Fresh water tanks are filled from the tap. Once it's been filtered and heated to the correct temperature, bung the fish in and you're good.



Salt water tanks take a lot more effort to set up and maintain. The setup takes much more time before you can add fish, and the margins of a safe environment much smaller.



That's why you see so few salt water aquariums.

Oh I didn't know that. is there a way of knowing if you have it right before putting fish in the sal water aquarium?

Zetsu

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Is that a different aquarium Zetsu? It looks smaller.


Yep, this one is a 17 gallon freshwater tank moved to our warehouse, the previous one in my room was a 48 gallon reef tank.

You can only have fresh  water fish now. If I had an aquarium, I would want salt water.


You should definitely try it when you have time  ac_cool , I don't want to over raise your expectations but it's one of those hobbies worth trying out when there's still have the opportunity.  But one important thing to remember is to try to get the biggest aquarium you can afford and maintain else the water chemistry will be really unstable and limits the number and variety of fish to keep, and most critical is never rush else it'll only lead to a mess and dead fishes, stability and patience is the key for reef keeping.

So, the bigger the aquarium the better the odds your fish will survive?



What do you mean don't rush? You mean rush into getting an aquarium?


Yea, the fishes, invertebrates and corals are no doubt little poop machines and sinful food wasters when they feel full, eventually those waste/food will rot and produce ammonia which is highly toxic to all aquatic animals, but thanks to mother nature as ammonia accumulate, it'll developed a good type of bacterial that will consume it and output nitrite(a much less harmful toxin than ammonia), as  nitrite accumulates another type of beneficial bacterial will be produced and convert nitrite to nitrate(less harmful than nitrite), and last is iirc bacterial living in low oxygen level areas(inside the sand bed) will be born to convert nitrate into nitrogen gas which is the end of the aka the nitrogen cycle.  Usually for all 4 types of bacteria to be to be developed it usually takes at least 4 to 6 weeks.  Unless your aquarium is fully ready it's best to house no more than 1 or 2 small fish and feed in very small quantities prior to those 4-6 weeks.  Though there's a faster alternate route to stock more fish before the nitrogen cycle completes is by buying bottles of those toxin consuming bacteria and pour a bit each day into the tank, or doing a bit of water change to add in new salt water and replenish the trace elements(food for corals).



To sum it all up.



Pros of a large tank

- More space to house more fish, some fish like Tangs require a minimum of 40 gallons

- Can develop and store more toxin eating bacteria, giving the owner the option to feed the fishes to their heart's desire

- Higher water volume can store and stabilize trace elements before corals starve and reduce the level of overdosing(accidents and miscalculation can easily happen)

- House more good types of crustacean like bugs(the only food source for a mandarin fish)

- Less need for a water change, if not almost never need to change water again for tanks starting 80+ gallons with automated trace element dosing equiptment(not really needed if it's a coral free tank)

- Less change of fish beating each other for over real estate



Pros of a small tank



- Cheaper to maintain(less salt require per water change)

- Some people find it cute looking or save space

- Easier to catch fish or hitch hikers(mantis shrimp, octopus, etc) from purchased live rocks from a pet store

- Easier to customize, aquascape or decorate



I can't think of any disadvantage of buying the aquarium right away, but for all else it's always best to do endless reading/research before purchasing fish/corals or expensive equipment, or if you want to save some extra cash a lot of people choose the DIY route, either way it's a enjoyful hobby.  ac_drinks
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Zetsu

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Quote from: "Bricktop"Salt water aquariums require much greater precision in creating the correct salinity and water properties than fresh water.



Fresh water tanks are filled from the tap. Once it's been filtered and heated to the correct temperature, bung the fish in and you're good.



Salt water tanks take a lot more effort to set up and maintain. The setup takes much more time before you can add fish, and the margins of a safe environment much smaller.



That's why you see so few salt water aquariums.

Oh I didn't know that. is there a way of knowing if you have it right before putting fish in the sal water aquarium?


Most fish pet stores sell water test kits to detect ammonia levels and a little swing arm/float meter to check teh salinity levels(or a refractometer if you need higher accuracy)
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Is that a different aquarium Zetsu? It looks smaller.


Yep, this one is a 17 gallon freshwater tank moved to our warehouse, the previous one in my room was a 48 gallon reef tank.

You can only have fresh  water fish now. If I had an aquarium, I would want salt water.


You should definitely try it when you have time  ac_cool , I don't want to over raise your expectations but it's one of those hobbies worth trying out when there's still have the opportunity.  But one important thing to remember is to try to get the biggest aquarium you can afford and maintain else the water chemistry will be really unstable and limits the number and variety of fish to keep, and most critical is never rush else it'll only lead to a mess and dead fishes, stability and patience is the key for reef keeping.

So, the bigger the aquarium the better the odds your fish will survive?



What do you mean don't rush? You mean rush into getting an aquarium?


Yea, the fishes, invertebrates and corals are no doubt little poop machines and sinful food wasters when they feel full, eventually those waste/food will rot and produce ammonia which is highly toxic to all aquatic animals, but thanks to mother nature as ammonia accumulate, it'll developed a good type of bacterial that will consume it and output nitrite(a much less harmful toxin than ammonia), as  nitrite accumulates another type of beneficial bacterial will be produced and convert nitrite to nitrate(less harmful than nitrite), and last is iirc bacterial living in low oxygen level areas(inside the sand bed) will be born to convert nitrate into nitrogen gas which is the end of the aka the nitrogen cycle.  Usually for all 4 types of bacteria to be to be developed it usually takes at least 4 to 6 weeks.  Unless your aquarium is fully ready it's best to house no more than 1 or 2 small fish and feed in very small quantities prior to those 4-6 weeks.  Though there's a faster alternate route to stock more fish before the nitrogen cycle completes is by buying bottles of those toxin consuming bacteria and pour a bit each day into the tank, or doing a bit of water change to add in new salt water and replenish the trace elements(food for corals).



To sum it all up.



Pros of a large tank

- More space to house more fish, some fish like Tangs require a minimum of 40 gallons

- Can develop and store more toxin eating bacteria, giving the owner the option to feed the fishes to their heart's desire

- Higher water volume can store and stabilize trace elements before corals starve and reduce the level of overdosing(accidents and miscalculation can easily happen)

- House more good types of crustacean like bugs(the only food source for a mandarin fish)

- Less need for a water change, if not almost never need to change water again for tanks starting 80+ gallons with automated trace element dosing equiptment(not really needed if it's a coral free tank)

- Less change of fish beating each other for over real estate



Pros of a small tank



- Cheaper to maintain(less salt require per water change)

- Some people find it cute looking or save space

- Easier to catch fish or hitch hikers(mantis shrimp, octopus, etc) from purchased live rocks from a pet store

- Easier to customize, aquascape or decorate



I can't think of any disadvantage of buying the aquarium right away, but for all else it's always best to do endless reading/research before purchasing fish/corals or expensive equipment, or if you want to save some extra cash a lot of people choose the DIY route, either way it's a enjoyful hobby.  ac_drinks

A guy needs a damn chemistry degree to keep a few salt water fish. Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with cattle, chickens and turkeys.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Zetsu"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Salt water aquariums require much greater precision in creating the correct salinity and water properties than fresh water.



Fresh water tanks are filled from the tap. Once it's been filtered and heated to the correct temperature, bung the fish in and you're good.



Salt water tanks take a lot more effort to set up and maintain. The setup takes much more time before you can add fish, and the margins of a safe environment much smaller.



That's why you see so few salt water aquariums.

Oh I didn't know that. is there a way of knowing if you have it right before putting fish in the sal water aquarium?


Most fish pet stores sell water test kits to detect ammonia levels and a little swing arm/float meter to check teh salinity levels(or a refractometer if you need higher accuracy)

You would need those things.

Zetsu

Quote from: "Bricktop"Salt water aquariums require much greater precision in creating the correct salinity and water properties than fresh water.



Fresh water tanks are filled from the tap. Once it's been filtered and heated to the correct temperature, bung the fish in and you're good.



Salt water tanks take a lot more effort to set up and maintain. The setup takes much more time before you can add fish, and the margins of a safe environment much smaller.



That's why you see so few salt water aquariums.


You've pretty much nailed it there Brick, marine fish born in the ocean usually swim in pollution free areas making them much more vibrant but delicate and frail at the same time, while fresh water fish living rivers are quite hardy and tolerant to chemicals due to human inhabitation and are mostly tank raise/breed.  But tbh and I've only learn this in the past few years most fresh water fish still need specific water chemistries, but it's just a lot of them already have a more adapt body and evolved living with people in the past, while the weaker ones just die suddenly but now I realized it's mainly due to free factors, pH, general hardiness and alkalinity.
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Is that a different aquarium Zetsu? It looks smaller.


Yep, this one is a 17 gallon freshwater tank moved to our warehouse, the previous one in my room was a 48 gallon reef tank.

You can only have fresh  water fish now. If I had an aquarium, I would want salt water.


You should definitely try it when you have time  ac_cool , I don't want to over raise your expectations but it's one of those hobbies worth trying out when there's still have the opportunity.  But one important thing to remember is to try to get the biggest aquarium you can afford and maintain else the water chemistry will be really unstable and limits the number and variety of fish to keep, and most critical is never rush else it'll only lead to a mess and dead fishes, stability and patience is the key for reef keeping.

So, the bigger the aquarium the better the odds your fish will survive?



What do you mean don't rush? You mean rush into getting an aquarium?


Yea, the fishes, invertebrates and corals are no doubt little poop machines and sinful food wasters when they feel full, eventually those waste/food will rot and produce ammonia which is highly toxic to all aquatic animals, but thanks to mother nature as ammonia accumulate, it'll developed a good type of bacterial that will consume it and output nitrite(a much less harmful toxin than ammonia), as  nitrite accumulates another type of beneficial bacterial will be produced and convert nitrite to nitrate(less harmful than nitrite), and last is iirc bacterial living in low oxygen level areas(inside the sand bed) will be born to convert nitrate into nitrogen gas which is the end of the aka the nitrogen cycle.  Usually for all 4 types of bacteria to be to be developed it usually takes at least 4 to 6 weeks.  Unless your aquarium is fully ready it's best to house no more than 1 or 2 small fish and feed in very small quantities prior to those 4-6 weeks.  Though there's a faster alternate route to stock more fish before the nitrogen cycle completes is by buying bottles of those toxin consuming bacteria and pour a bit each day into the tank, or doing a bit of water change to add in new salt water and replenish the trace elements(food for corals).



To sum it all up.



Pros of a large tank

- More space to house more fish, some fish like Tangs require a minimum of 40 gallons

- Can develop and store more toxin eating bacteria, giving the owner the option to feed the fishes to their heart's desire

- Higher water volume can store and stabilize trace elements before corals starve and reduce the level of overdosing(accidents and miscalculation can easily happen)

- House more good types of crustacean like bugs(the only food source for a mandarin fish)

- Less need for a water change, if not almost never need to change water again for tanks starting 80+ gallons with automated trace element dosing equiptment(not really needed if it's a coral free tank)

- Less change of fish beating each other for over real estate



Pros of a small tank



- Cheaper to maintain(less salt require per water change)

- Some people find it cute looking or save space

- Easier to catch fish or hitch hikers(mantis shrimp, octopus, etc) from purchased live rocks from a pet store

- Easier to customize, aquascape or decorate



I can't think of any disadvantage of buying the aquarium right away, but for all else it's always best to do endless reading/research before purchasing fish/corals or expensive equipment, or if you want to save some extra cash a lot of people choose the DIY route, either way it's a enjoyful hobby.  ac_drinks

A guy needs a damn chemistry degree to keep a few salt water fish. Thanks for the info. I think I'll stick with cattle, chickens and turkeys.


Nooo, I was hoping you'd join the club too but I guess I made it look more like science homework.   :sad:
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Nooo, I was hoping you'd join the club too but I guess I made it look more like science homework.   :sad:

I am not saying I won't. But, I want a salt water aquarium. And you have to know what you are doing with them.

Bricktop

It's harder than making barrel wash.

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Quote from: "Bricktop"It's harder than making barrel wash.

It can't be done sober.

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Quote from: "Bricktop"It's harder than making barrel wash.

It can't be done sober.

Just like driving.

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