We blame Trump, but Canada's supply management system hurts the poor

[Anonymous]

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like Trump got mad over canadian tariffs on US dairy products, and said that if Canada is going to do that then Trump would apply tariffs to canadian goods brought into the US.  Then trudeau went to the press saying he was outraged that Trump would threaten tariffs.  That is why trump and company are angry --Trudeau's hypocrisy and the press conference were an especially insulting combination.  Most likely Trump will impose tariffs because of all of it.



Both sides will get hurt, Canada will get hurt more though.  I hate to see our countries at odd.  But I blame Trudeau first and foremost.

When did our federal government do that Wazzzup?

According to this http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/13/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-canadas-2/">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... canadas-2/">http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/13/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-tweets-about-canadas-2/ its been there for decades.



Other presidents like Obama just ignored countries imposing tariffs and didn't impose tariffs on their products.  It appears trump is insisting that anyone who wants to trade with the US tariff free will have to take away tariffs on US goods.  Also as SB pointed out tariffs on dairy hurt canadian consumers.  They help the dairy farmers in Canada, but nobody else.

For decades, Canada has protected its dairy industry, erecting trade barriers that diminish foreign competition and result in higher prices for Canadian consumers. While this has prompted longstanding complaints by the United States and other exporters, the tariffs have survived, thanks in part to a strong dairy lobby that Canadian politicians have been loath to oppose.



After a small fixed quota of U.S. exports is reached, Canada imposes a tariff on any dairy products brought into the country, with the level varying a bit depending on the specific product. For instance, fluid milk is 241 percent, cheese is 245.5 percent, ice cream is 277 percent, cream is 292.5 percent, and butter is 298.5 percent.

There are only about 11,000 dairy farms across this country, But, they wield a disproportionate amount of power. The reason Maxime Bernier is not leader of the Conservative party is that he had the temerity to stand up to the ag lobby.

[JOE]

For all Canada's system getting slammed, I'd still prefer to buy Canadian milk and dairy products over foreign Ones.



Malomeen milk? Isnt that what happened in China? Killed or made thousands there sick. As for the USA, over half of its population is obese. What do they stick in their foods?



I dont actually mind paying a bit more for lically made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

[Anonymous]

For all Canada's system getting slammed, I'd still prefer to buy Canadian milk and dairy products over foreign Ones.



Malomeen milk? Isnt that what happened in China? Killed or made thousands there sick. As for the USA, over half of its population is obese. What do they stick in their foods?



I dont actually mind paying a bit more for lically made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

Right away you jump to poisoned milk from China



And obesity levels in the US? Talk about conflating different issues.

[Wazzzup]

I don't actually mind paying a bit more for locally made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

Since tariffs are 270% I'm sure its a lot more, not just a bit.  



BTW Do you have any evidence that canadian dairy products are more healthy than US or another country's Dairy (other than china which is not relevent)?  I bet you don't.



BTW obesity rates in canada are very similar to American rates 32.2% to 29%.  they are only a few points different.

[Wazzzup]

For all Canada's system getting slammed, I'd still prefer to buy Canadian milk and dairy products over foreign Ones.



Malomeen milk? Isnt that what happened in China? Killed or made thousands there sick. As for the USA, over half of its population is obese. What do they stick in their foods?



I dont actually mind paying a bit more for lically made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

Right away you jump to poisoned milk from China



And obesity levels in the US? Talk about conflating different issues.

Joe just wants to troll.  He can't discuss issues seriously.  Isn't that right Joe?

[Anonymous]

Taiwan doesn't have a dairy supply management system like Canada and obesity rates are lower and the milk isn't poisoned.

[Anonymous]

I used to think our supply management system was good for all Canadians, but in reality it benefits very few people at the expense of the entire country.

[Angry White Male]

What was the wood used for?

Good question, and I asked the dude that when I delivered it back after the 'final milling,' what the fuck it's about, and he stated it's gonna be used as some sort of roof truss.  Mostly for show, I would imagine, as they don't tend to use wooden roof trusses that are three fucking feet thick anymore, for anything!

[Anonymous]

What was the wood used for?

Good question, and I asked the dude that when I delivered it back after the 'final milling,' what the fuck it's about, and he stated it's gonna be used as some sort of roof truss.  Mostly for show, I would imagine, as they don't tend to use wooden roof trusses that are three fucking feet thick anymore, for anything!

I see.

[JOE]

For all Canada's system getting slammed, I'd still prefer to buy Canadian milk and dairy products over foreign Ones.



Malomeen milk? Isnt that what happened in China? Killed or made thousands there sick. As for the USA, over half of its population is obese. What do they stick in their foods?



I dont actually mind paying a bit more for lically made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

Right away you jump to poisoned milk from China



And obesity levels in the US? Talk about conflating different issues.

Joe just wants to troll.  He can't discuss issues seriously.  Isn't that right Joe?

Just saying what I believe...that milk and dairy products produced in Canada are safer than elsewhere.



And this extends to other food products as well.



Ie- how do I know the food I consume did not originate from a radioactive affected region like Fukushima in Japan?



Canada and other first world nations have acceptable safeguards and regulatory food inspectors but im not sure about other countries. Milk is something I'd rather not risk the safety of  its supply. It is highly susceptible to contamination and spoilage.



Also non dairy products may be at risk too. Couple of years ago, frozen berries sold in Canada imported from Eastern Europe were laced with salmonela. So you never knows what goes on in these locales because the safety controls we are accustomed to are not present there.

[Wazzzup]

For all Canada's system getting slammed, I'd still prefer to buy Canadian milk and dairy products over foreign Ones.



Malomeen milk? Isnt that what happened in China? Killed or made thousands there sick. As for the USA, over half of its population is obese. What do they stick in their foods?



I dont actually mind paying a bit more for lically made dairy products if they end up being healthier than imports.

Right away you jump to poisoned milk from China



And obesity levels in the US? Talk about conflating different issues.

Joe just wants to troll.  He can't discuss issues seriously.  Isn't that right Joe?

Just saying what I believe...that milk and dairy products produced in Canada are safer than elsewhere.

And this is based on what, feelings, or facts?



Just so you know, tariffs have nothing to do with quality, they are about protecting industries from free market competition.  You may want to pay more for Canadian dairy products, but those who want to pay less, like poorer people, don't have a choice.

[Anonymous]

Just saying what I believe...that milk and dairy products produced in Canada are safer than elsewhere.



And this extends to other food products as well.

We can make mistakes in food processing plants too.



Maple Leaf recalls chicken breast strips after reports of illnesses

https://globalnews.ca/news/3839259/maple-leaf-chicken-recall/">https://globalnews.ca/news/3839259/mapl ... en-recall/">https://globalnews.ca/news/3839259/maple-leaf-chicken-recall/



Maple Leaf Foods profits sliced by listeria outbreak

https://www.thestar.com/business/2008/10/30/maple_leaf_foods_profits_sliced_by_listeria_outbreak.html">https://www.thestar.com/business/2008/1 ... break.html">https://www.thestar.com/business/2008/10/30/maple_leaf_foods_profits_sliced_by_listeria_outbreak.html



XL Foods beef recall: $4M settlement in tainted meat lawsuit

https://globalnews.ca/news/2115867/xl-foods-beef-recall-4m-settlement-in-tainted-meat-lawsuit/">https://globalnews.ca/news/2115867/xl-f ... t-lawsuit/">https://globalnews.ca/news/2115867/xl-foods-beef-recall-4m-settlement-in-tainted-meat-lawsuit/



No Name and Compliments brand frozen chicken products recalled over salmonella concerns

https://1043freshradio.ca/news/2087309/loblaws-recalls-no-name-chicken-burgers-over-salmonella-concerns/">https://1043freshradio.ca/news/2087309/ ... -concerns/">https://1043freshradio.ca/news/2087309/loblaws-recalls-no-name-chicken-burgers-over-salmonella-concerns/



Farmers milk and cream products recalled after exposure to cleaning product

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/farmers-recall-sanitizer-1.4511477">http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scot ... -1.4511477">http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/farmers-recall-sanitizer-1.4511477



In fact, food recalls happen often in Canada and many times the products are  grown and processed in this country..



I am not saying our food safety is sub standard, but our food is not fail safe either.

[JOE]

Yes Fashionista, there was a time when various governments cut back on food inspectors and look what happened. While this occurred during the Harper years, Im sure it also did under the Liberals during Chretien/Martin as they were cost cutting as well. So I'd wager both parties may have been responsible for the problem as they let food quality standards slide.

[Anonymous]

Yes Fashionista, there was a time when various governments cut back on food inspectors and look what happened. While this occurred during the Harper years, Im sure it also did under the Liberals during Chretien/Martin as they were cost cutting as well. So I'd wager bothparties may have been responsible for the problem as they ket food quslity standards slide.

Actually, some of those recalls happened under the current government..



In fact, if you look at the government's website several food recalls still happen every month.



http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/food-recall-warnings/eng/1299076382077/1299076493846">http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-c ... 9076493846">http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/food-recall-warnings/eng/1299076382077/1299076493846

[Anonymous]

Yes Fashionista, there was a time when various governments cut back on food inspectors and look what happened. While this occurred during the Harper years, Im sure it also did under the Liberals during Chretien/Martin as they were cost cutting as well. So I'd wager bothparties may have been responsible for the problem as they ket food quslity standards slide.

Actually, some of those recalls happened under the current government..



In fact, if you look at the government's website several food recalls still happen every month.



http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/food-recall-warnings/eng/1299076382077/1299076493846">http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-c ... 9076493846">http://www.inspection.gc.ca/about-the-cfia/newsroom/food-recall-warnings/eng/1299076382077/1299076493846

You go girl.