Trudeau's got it wrong about Canada's obligations to illegal border crossers

[Anonymous]

And if you disagree with his do nothing policy on illegal immigration you are a bigot and un-Canadian.

Prior to his first meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Ontario Premier Doug Ford laid all the blame on the Trudeau government for the upsurge of migrants illegally crossing into Quebec from the U.S., then landing in Toronto and now straining Toronto's resources.



After the meeting, Trudeau's response to Ford was typical Trudeau: patronizing, condescending, clueless and totally out of touch. Spouting pre-memorized lines Trudeau did not fully comprehend, he prattled on predictably that Ford "did not seem.... aware of our international obligations to the UN Convention on Refugees as he might have been. So I spent a little time explaining how the asylum-seeking system works and how our system is supposed to operate." He added that he tried to assure Ford of the difference between a refugee and an economic migrant.



The fact is the UN Convention on Refugees is a statement of principles that is non-enforceable upon sovereign nations as Canada. It is not a binding international obligation upon Canada or any of the nations of the world. Legally, Canada is not obligated to provide a hearing for illegal border crossers. Even if they claim refugee status.



Theoretically, Canada can immediately deport them back to upstate New York, from whence they illegally came. In practice and in reality, national laws, rules and procedures prevail when dealing with legal or illegal migrants.



Take, for example, Germany and France.



Following Trump's lead, in order to drastically cut the flow of migrants entering Germany, Chancellor Merkel has agreed to a plan to build "transfer centres", aka detention centres, to house asylum seekers while their status is being reviewed and determined.



Merkel has also agreed to turn away migrants at the German border who have already applied for asylum in other European countries. Merkel has also agreed to the proposal that German police and border officials proactively patrol the German-Austrian border in order to stop all migrants from crossing the border illegally.



Similarly, French President Emmanuel Macron supports a new French law that permits the authorities to detain migrants up to 90 days (see detention centres) in order to properly determine their status. This gives the police greater powers to search the migrants. This law streamlines the process by which the French authorities can turn asylum seekers away and it also shortens the time migrants have to appeal rejected asylum claims.



The new French law also cracks down on economic migrants and relies on such deterrence strategies as the imposition of heavy fines and potential jail time for breaking France's immigration and asylum-seeking laws and rules.



n contrast, at the Quebec border, the Trudeau government appears to be negligently rolling out the red carpet for migrants passing through the U.S. on the way to Canada to illegally cross the border (by avoiding the official points of entry).  The Trudeau government seems to meet these illegal migrants with open arms and two years of free government services such as accommodations, healthcare and welfare, all on the Canadian taxpayers' dime.



Perhaps in addition to reflecting upon his groping from 18 years ago, Trudeau could also reflect upon adopting more realistic restrictive measures a la Germany and France. Such as: declaring the whole Canadian border an official point of entry; detaining migrants for up to 60-90 days and then deporting invalid asylum seekers back to the U.S. or their home of origin; and imposing fines and jail time upon economic migrants who fraudulently misrepresent themselves as legitimate refugees escaping certain death and torture.



Canada does not need any more lectures from the former part-time drama instructor, it needs action and results.

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[Anonymous]

Trudeau is lying to us about our obligations to illegal border crossers. They are economic migrants.

Canadians' tolerance for illegal immigrants is about to be tested as never before.



Around 60 per cent of Canadians in most polls claim to be open to illegal immigration if the refugees now pouring into Quebec are truly oppressed. Indeed, it is this support the Trudeau government seems to be counting on as cover for its refusal to do anything about the 3,000 or more illegal immigrants – many from Haiti, Nigeria and Central America – currently crossing the Quebec border every month.



The federal Liberals think this deluge is a sign of Canada's magnanimity and multiculturalism. They also think it will win them votes if the refugees are portrayed as asylum seekers from Donald Trump's mean-spirited America.



While Donald Trump is separating refugee parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border, our hipster PM is signalling a warm welcome to anyone who can arrive at our doorstep.



Our prime minister is tweeting out words of encouragement to illegal immigrants and his government is doing everything it can to resettle asylum seekers quickly, so they slip into Canadian society unnoticed until well after it's too late to remove them.





Underlying message: Vote Liberal!





But the Liberals are playing a dangerous game, not just politically, but also with the rule of law.



Canadians probably are more tolerant of illegal immigrants than are Americans. But then again, we haven't had the volume of illegals they have had to contend with.



For nearly 30 years, the estimate of the number of undocumented "aliens" in the States has hovered around 11 million. But given that no one knows with certainty how many come in every year (only how many are thrown out), it is entirely possible the total is closer to 17 million to 20 million.



That would be the equivalent of between 1.7 million and 2.0 million in Canada. But the federal immigration and border agencies estimate there are only about 100,000 illegal immigrants north of the border – or only about five per cent of the number in the U.S.



It's pretty easy to be morally superior when facing a crisis that is only one-20th the size of your neighbour's.



However, the RCMP estimate that last year nearly 21,000 people crossed our border illegally seeking asylum. Most had come from the United States, so technically could not be deemed refugees. (If you arrive in Canada from a country that is not threatening your life or your freedom, you cannot be considered a refugee, legally.)



So far this year, at least another 8,000 have walked across our border in Quebec pulling their worldly possessions in suitcases, duffels and cardboard boxes.



The temporary welcome camp Ottawa set up in Quebec can only house fewer than 1,000 asylum seekers at a time.



Ottawa has, therefore, tried to bribe the other provinces with grants to help temporarily settle the rest in college dorms, social housing, emergency shelters, even hotels. But money and patience are running out.



And other provinces and cities are getting wise.



Ontario's new premier, Doug Ford, recently told Prime Minister Trudeau his province would no longer help settle asylum seekers, to which the PM responded with a smug, sanctimonious lecture on Canada's refugee obligations.



But like a lot of what Trudeau believes, his lecture was long on virtue-signalling and short on substance.





Canada is not, as Trudeau claimed, required to provide everyone who shows up here with protections equal to those afforded citizens. We must safeguard their lives and freedom, but only if they have arrived from an unsafe country.



(You can get cute, if you want, and insist Trump has made American unsafe, but that's not true under international refugee treaties.)



The truth is, the Trudeau government has mismanaged the current refugee flow. Badly. And they are going to strain Canadians' generosity with the torrent they have unleashed.

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[JOE]

Perhaps Trudeau's refugee policies are flawed.



At the same time, Donald Trump is not our president.



And the US Congress, lawmakers and courts don't make Canadian laws.



We may take suggestions from them, but we are not beholden to the United States nor its leaders.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps Trudeau's refugee policies are flawed.



At the same time, Donald Trump is not our president.



And the US Congress, lawmakers and courts don't make Canadian laws.



We may take suggestions from them, but we are not beholden to the United States nor its leaders.

Who said we were? The issue is the Trudeau regime not doing their job and turning these scammers around as soon as they cross into Canada.

[Chuck Bronson]

Canada's only saving grace, is that we're a little too cold for most to want to come here illegally, and that luckily we're not too close to any poor African nation.

[JOE]

Perhaps Trudeau's refugee policies are flawed.



At the same time, Donald Trump is not our president.



And the US Congress, lawmakers and courts don't make Canadian laws.



We may take suggestions from them, but we are not beholden to the United States nor its leaders.

Who said we were? The issue is the Trudeau regime not doing their job and turning these scammers around as soon as they cross into Canada.

Well the article uses Angela Merkel and Donald Trump as examples Trudeau ought to aspire to.



We can learn from & possibly adopt some of their laws/policies.



At the same time, there is no all-in-one canned all-size-fits-all solution for every nation or national jurisdiction.



These leaders can make suggestions to us, but they can't dictate what policies our own leaders ought to be.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps Trudeau's refugee policies are flawed.



At the same time, Donald Trump is not our president.



And the US Congress, lawmakers and courts don't make Canadian laws.



We may take suggestions from them, but we are not beholden to the United States nor its leaders.

Who said we were? The issue is the Trudeau regime not doing their job and turning these scammers around as soon as they cross into Canada.

Well the article uses Angela Merkel and Donald Trump as examples Trudeau ought to aspire to.



We can learn from & possibly adopt some of their laws/policies.



At the same time, there is no all-in-one canned all-size-fits-all solution for every nation or national jurisdiction.



These leaders can make suggestions to us, but they can't dictate what policies our own leaders ought to be.

The point was that Trudeau is not doing his job at all in safeguarding our borders.

[Bricktop]

Some years ago, Australia was being swamped with queue jumping cockroaches being brought to our shores via boats from Indonesia.



This was because the existing leftist government was in effect welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and immediate access to all Australian services, including legal.



When they lost government, the new conservative PM implemented a program of deterrence. Anyone landing in Australia illegally would be instantly deported to Nauru, where they could either wait for their application to be processed, or return from whence they came.



The UN and leftards in general screamed blue murder that Australia was a racist country...and you all know the rhetoric that follows. The Government was unmoved. The flood slowed to a trickle, then stopped altogether. We have very few border jumpers now (it helps to be an island, to be fair).



Not long ago, one of the leading Leftist former government ministers responsible for initiating the flood in the first place publically stated that they got it wrong. Their policy was flawed.



So, there is still hope that your idiot PM might have a lightbulb moment.

[Anonymous]

Some years ago, Australia was being swamped with queue jumping cockroaches being brought to our shores via boats from Indonesia.



This was because the existing leftist government was in effect welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and immediate access to all Australian services, including legal.



When they lost government, the new conservative PM implemented a program of deterrence. Anyone landing in Australia illegally would be instantly deported to Nauru, where they could either wait for their application to be processed, or return from whence they came.



The UN and leftards in general screamed blue murder that Australia was a racist country...and you all know the rhetoric that follows. The Government was unmoved. The flood slowed to a trickle, then stopped altogether. We have very few border jumpers now (it helps to be an island, to be fair).



Not long ago, one of the leading Leftist former government ministers responsible for initiating the flood in the first place publically stated that they got it wrong. Their policy was flawed.



So, there is still hope that your idiot PM might have a lightbulb moment.

Did that start under John Howard?

[Bricktop]

Yes. But then one of the worst politicians in our history, Kevin Rudd, was elected and he threw open the doors. 50,000 in one year poured in. Many more died en route, spending thousands of US dollars to sail on unseaworthy fishing boats across a dangerous ocean. It is estimated that 20,000 more died en route...including children.



Only now are the leftards who were the architects of this madness openly accepting it was wrong.

[JOE]

Some years ago, Australia was being swamped with queue jumping cockroaches being brought to our shores via boats from Indonesia.



This was because the existing leftist government was in effect welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and immediate access to all Australian services, including legal.



When they lost government, the new conservative PM implemented a program of deterrence. Anyone landing in Australia illegally would be instantly deported to Nauru, where they could either wait for their application to be processed, or return from whence they came.



The UN and leftards in general screamed blue murder that Australia was a racist country...and you all know the rhetoric that follows. The Government was unmoved. The flood slowed to a trickle, then stopped altogether. We have very few border jumpers now (it helps to be an island, to be fair).



Not long ago, one of the leading Leftist former government ministers responsible for initiating the flood in the first place publically stated that they got it wrong. Their policy was flawed.



So, there is still hope that your idiot PM might have a lightbulb moment.

There is one argument that Right Wing governments in Australia could successfully make in their favor- that letting masses of refugees into Australia poses a threat to its own indigenous peoples, the Australian aborigines. Therefore they dont want to be flooded with requests of asylum from economic migrants & that the monies which are wasted on or allocated to refugees should be used to protect their own indigenous people.



Then it would be much more difficult for critics to use the race catd argument against Australia.

[Bricktop]

And we care what critics say because...???



The UN and its leftard agencies such as the Human Rights Commission (that's the one Robert Mugabe was set to chair, remember), have been calling us racist for decades.



Fucks given = 0.

[JOE]

And we care what critics say because...???



The UN and its leftard agencies such as the Human Rights Commission (that's the one Robert Mugabe was set to chair, remember), have been calling us racist for decades.



Fucks given = 0.

Its just a suggestion.



In Canada it was used as an argument to thwart/prevent the construction of the Northern Gateway pipeline from Alberta to Kitimat.



Actually one good thing about having Natives owning the land or having title to something is it prevents foreigners such as Chinese from buying up absolutely all the land in places like Vancouver.



At least the Natives allow non Natives to build houses and live on their lands in Vancouver. But when offshore interests gobble up our land they kick locals, Canadian citizens out of apartments and houses. So in a way using the aboriginal argument could help protect Australians from being displaced by floods of refugees.





If I were Australia, I'd use the argument that they have to protect their own indigenous people & that a flood of refugees threatens their culture and existence.

[Anonymous]

Some years ago, Australia was being swamped with queue jumping cockroaches being brought to our shores via boats from Indonesia.



This was because the existing leftist government was in effect welcoming them with open arms, open wallets, and immediate access to all Australian services, including legal.



When they lost government, the new conservative PM implemented a program of deterrence. Anyone landing in Australia illegally would be instantly deported to Nauru, where they could either wait for their application to be processed, or return from whence they came.



The UN and leftards in general screamed blue murder that Australia was a racist country...and you all know the rhetoric that follows. The Government was unmoved. The flood slowed to a trickle, then stopped altogether. We have very few border jumpers now (it helps to be an island, to be fair).



Not long ago, one of the leading Leftist former government ministers responsible for initiating the flood in the first place publically stated that they got it wrong. Their policy was flawed.



So, there is still hope that your idiot PM might have a lightbulb moment.

There is one argument that Right Wing governments in Australia could successfully make in their favor- that letting masses of refugees into Australia poses a threat to its own indigenous peoples, the Australian aborigines. Therefore they dont want to be flooded with requests of asylum from economic migrants & that the monies which are wasted on or allocated to refugees should be used to protect their own indigenous people.



Then it would be much more difficult for critics to use the race catd argument against Australia.

Enforcing immigration law is right wing? it's just plain right. And our prime minister is just plain wrong for putting his electoral interests ahead of the nation's interests. Shame on Justin.

[Bricktop]

We don't NEED any justification.



We don't want border jumpers in our country. Refugees are admitted,



Not economic queue jumpers who have no respect for international boundaries and are just trying to escape the "shithole" they live in.