Trudeau's Liberals in denial-As the world abandons so-called ‘green’ energy experiments, Trudeau’s Libs hang on

[Anonymous]

Trudeau is making a serious miscalculation thinking he can ram this cash grab down the throats of a nation that does not want it.



From Sun News Media.



With the new Ontario government of Premier Doug Ford announcing it will fight the federal Liberal government's national carbon tax, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's flagship "green" initiative is in far more jeopardy that might be obvious.



Stephen Harper's former chief of staff, Ian Brodie, has pronounced the carbon tax "politically dead," while former Liberal whisperer Warren Kinsella tweeted the tax is "dead, pretty much."



Prince Edward Island's government also announced this month that it was out. And Newfoundland and Labrador is assumed to be exiting, too, since it had sent signals it would do whatever Ontario did.



According to Axethecarbontax.ca, once just one province (Saskatchewan) was opposed, now three are openly opposed, another two (New Brunswick and Newfoundland) are teetering and Manitoba is half in, half out.



If, as expected, the United Conservatives drive the NDP from office in Alberta next spring, by next summer seven of 10 provinces could be out. Only Quebec, B.C. and Nova Scotia would remain in the Trudeau camp.



Also, about two thirds of Canadian voters are opposed, too.



So why does the Trudeau government remain so committed to the carbon tax, not to mention environmental assessment rules that make future pipelines and energy projects all but impossible?



The answer is the Trudeauites are driven by equal parts stubbornness, naiveté and zeal.



No matter how much proof is offered that their proposals will not achieve environmental improvement, the Liberals push on. Indeed, opposition encourages them to push even harder.



That's their stubbornness — the same "green" stubbornness that motivated former Ontario premiers Dalton Mcguinty and Kathleen Wynne and caused them to drive up electricity rates and provincial debt in Ontario to the highest levels on the continent.



The naiveté is obvious, too. Not only are the federal Liberals committed to their carbon tax, but equally to their new environmental regulations that make pipeline builders responsible for all the emissions from the oil they carry (even the emissions before the oil gets in their pipe and the emissions after it has exited). The Libs still love the Paris climate accord, too, even though that commitment has helped drive tens of billions of dollars away from Canada's economy, while achieving nothing environmentally.



Canada is responsible for just



1.5 per cent of worldwide greenhouse gases, including the oilsands. Even if we shut in all our oil, other countries would pick up our market share, meaning we can impoverish ourselves but the same amount of oil will still be burned, likely with even more emissions. It is naïve to think stopping Energy East or Trans Mountain or other pipelines and megaprojects will save the planet. All it will do is beggar Canadian companies, cost Canadian jobs and make it even harder for Canadian governments to balance their books. Which brings us to the Liberals' zeal. Many of the federal Liberal politicians and staffers behind Trudeau's eco-extremism helped design Ontario's "green" energy disaster a dec- ade ago. Still, they remain True Believers — enviro-cultists who are sure the quickest path to a "carbon-free" economy is to regulate the oil business out of existence and tax Canadians through the nose.



Even in Europe, which is always waved in Canadians' faces as proof a "green" future is possible, alternate energy is facing a crisis.



Tens of billions in tax subsidies have failed to make "green" energy the steady source of power promised.



And now, for instance, Germany's subsidies for wind power are coming to an end, so as many as 20 per cent of German wind turbines will have to be decommissioned each year with nowhere to dispose of the 30-metre concrete bases or the huge turbine blades.



Yet Sunny Trudeau keeps smiling and telling us the alt-energy future is just around the corner.

[Anonymous]

Our pm, just like our premier is in denial and they are taking money away from my family and jobs away from Canadians..



Both of them are harming this country's middle class.

[Anonymous]

Anti carbon tax is growing across Canada, but I say Justine doubles down on stupid.



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Toronto pundits should not be so quick to write off the new Doug Ford-Scott Moe alliance against the federal carbon tax. Yes, they were the only two of the 10 provincial premiers in New Brunswick this week to announce their support for a constitutional challenge to the federal law. And yes constitutional experts are correct in predicting that this legal challenge is not likely to succeed.



But winning in the legal battle does not mean winning the policy war. Obstructionist provincial governments can gum up federal policies whose effective implementation require provincial co-operation. Witness how B.C. Premier John Horgan and his anti-pipeline allies have succeeded in delaying the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion despite losing 17 consecutive court decisions.



With respect to the carbon tax, the law may be on the side of Ottawa, but time and politics are not. Saskatchewan's reference to its court of appeal won't be decided for another nine months. Whoever loses will appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, which will take another year or more to be heard and then decided. By then, there will have been a spring election in Alberta and a federal election in the fall.



In Alberta, Conservative leader Jason Kenney is promising to scrap that province's carbon tax if he wins next year's election. All current polling suggests that he will. Manitoba has adopted its own version of a carbon tax, but the price it places on CO2 is below the minimum demanded by the federal plan. Premier Pallister has warned that if Ottawa tries to force it higher, "we'll see you in court." PEI has adopted a climate change plan with no carbon tax — a policy that clearly does not meet federal regulations. And if anti-tax momentum builds, the Newfoundland and New Brunswick premiers have warned that they are not going to impose a tax on their voters that consumers and businesses in six or seven other provinces are not paying.



With next year's federal election fast approaching, this is potential nightmare scenario for Trudeau and the Liberals. Do they want to make the ballot-issue a new tax that will make it more expensive for voters to fill up their cars, heat their homes and turn on their lights? Maybe this won't make any difference in Saskatchewan and Alberta, where the Liberals only have five MPs. But in Ontario — where Doug Ford just won by promising to scrap the tax — the Liberals have 80 MPs seeking re-election. Losing even a quarter of these would jeopardize their 183 seat government, which is only 13 over the 170 minimum required for a majority.



In 2015, many centre-right voters supported Trudeau simply because they were tired of Stephen Harper. But in 2018, they supported Doug Ford because they were tired of sky-rocketing electricity and gas prices. If in 2019 Trudeau takes a hardline on bringing back the very carbon tax that Premier Ford has just repealed, he risks losing some of these former supporters.



But the alternative — backing off on the carbon tax — has its own risks. Promising action on climate change was one of the issues that helped Trudeau win in 2015. With the help of the U.S.-financed environmental NGO (ENGO) LeadNow, the Liberals targeted 29 Conservative-held ridings in which their polling indicated that climate change was a priority for voters. Liberal candidates subsequently won 25 of these seats.



But these same centre-left voters that supported Trudeau in 2015 are no longer so happy with him. Many are angry about the federal government's $4.5 billion bailout of the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion in B.C. If Trudeau now backs down on his national carbon tax pledge, many of his 2015 supporters for whom climate action is still a priority may drift off to the NDP in 2019.



Many are angry about the federal government's $4.5 billion bailout of the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion in B.C.



   

Underlying the Liberals' carbon tax dilemma is the spectacular failure of the Trudeau-Notley "social license" gambit: their belief that in return for their various carbon reduction policies, climate change ENGOs would acquiesce in Canada's economic need to build the Kinder Morgan TransMountain expansion. Whatever plausibility this trade-off strategy may have had initially has now been destroyed. The anti-Kinder Morgan forces — the Horgan government, U.S. and Canadian climate ENGOs and B.C. aboriginal groups — have accelerated their opposition to TransMountain, not backed off.



Nor are they shy about explaining why. When CBC asked Bill McKibben, founder of 350.org, why he would not give Trudeau and Notley any credit for Canada's carbon reduction policies, he stated a simple fact: that at only two per cent of global emissions, what Canada does on the domestic "demand" side to reduce our emissions is too small to make any difference. What will make a difference, McKibben continued, is preventing the further development of the Canadian oil sands — the third largest reserve on the world. "To stop the oil sands, we have to stop all pipelines."



The failure of his social license strategy forced Trudeau to rescue the TransMountain expansion with the $4.5 billion dollar purchase of Kinder Morgan Canada. This did not win him many new friends in Alberta or Saskatchewan, but infuriated many of his erstwhile climate change supporters in Ontario and British Columbia. With an election only a year away, the carbon tax issue threatens to push the Liberals even deeper into a political corner with no easy way out.

[Anonymous]

I wish the premiers of PEI, Ontario and Saskatchewan as well as Jason Kenny when he wins success in stopping carbon taxes.

[Wazzzup]

yeah carbon taxes are ridiculous. politicians know raising income taxes in general would be very unpopular so they come up with a gimmick.  Now people appear to be getting wise to this giimmick and saying no.



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BTW I hope you don't mind, but I found this global warming related story and didn't have a thread for it.




Remember that video of an emaciated Baffin Island polar bear that went viral last December? It became the poster bear for climate change. National Geographic made a stunning admission – it was a bit bogus.



National Geographic went too far in drawing a definitive connection between climate change and a particular starving polar bear in the opening caption of our video about the animal. We said, "This is what climate change looks like." While science has established that there is a strong connection between melting sea ice and polar bears dying off, there is no way to know for certain why this bear was on the verge of death. This is an updated version of the video.



In other words, it was completely bogus. There was zero evidence the bear's condition and climate change were tied together.



When the two photographers saw the bear, one posted the video on Instagram with the caption, "This is what starvation looks like." He tied it to climate change.



They quickly lost control of the narrative.



National Geographic picked up the video and added subtitles. National Geographic went too far with the caption. They claimed it was iceless land caused by climate change.



Other news outlets ran dramatic headlines like this one from the Washington Post: "'We stood there crying': Emaciated polar bear seen in 'gut-wrenching' video and photos."[/quote]

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[Anonymous]

Trudeau is making a serious miscalculation thinking he can ram this cash grab down the throats of a nation that does not want it.



From Sun News Media.



With the new Ontario government of Premier Doug Ford announcing it will fight the federal Liberal government's national carbon tax, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's flagship "green" initiative is in far more jeopardy that might be obvious.



Stephen Harper's former chief of staff, Ian Brodie, has pronounced the carbon tax "politically dead," while former Liberal whisperer Warren Kinsella tweeted the tax is "dead, pretty much."



Prince Edward Island's government also announced this month that it was out. And Newfoundland and Labrador is assumed to be exiting, too, since it had sent signals it would do whatever Ontario did.



According to Axethecarbontax.ca, once just one province (Saskatchewan) was opposed, now three are openly opposed, another two (New Brunswick and Newfoundland) are teetering and Manitoba is half in, half out.



If, as expected, the United Conservatives drive the NDP from office in Alberta next spring, by next summer seven of 10 provinces could be out. Only Quebec, B.C. and Nova Scotia would remain in the Trudeau camp.



Also, about two thirds of Canadian voters are opposed, too.



So why does the Trudeau government remain so committed to the carbon tax, not to mention environmental assessment rules that make future pipelines and energy projects all but impossible?



The answer is the Trudeauites are driven by equal parts stubbornness, naiveté and zeal.



No matter how much proof is offered that their proposals will not achieve environmental improvement, the Liberals push on. Indeed, opposition encourages them to push even harder.



That's their stubbornness — the same "green" stubbornness that motivated former Ontario premiers Dalton Mcguinty and Kathleen Wynne and caused them to drive up electricity rates and provincial debt in Ontario to the highest levels on the continent.



The naiveté is obvious, too. Not only are the federal Liberals committed to their carbon tax, but equally to their new environmental regulations that make pipeline builders responsible for all the emissions from the oil they carry (even the emissions before the oil gets in their pipe and the emissions after it has exited). The Libs still love the Paris climate accord, too, even though that commitment has helped drive tens of billions of dollars away from Canada's economy, while achieving nothing environmentally.



Canada is responsible for just



1.5 per cent of worldwide greenhouse gases, including the oilsands. Even if we shut in all our oil, other countries would pick up our market share, meaning we can impoverish ourselves but the same amount of oil will still be burned, likely with even more emissions. It is naïve to think stopping Energy East or Trans Mountain or other pipelines and megaprojects will save the planet. All it will do is beggar Canadian companies, cost Canadian jobs and make it even harder for Canadian governments to balance their books. Which brings us to the Liberals' zeal. Many of the federal Liberal politicians and staffers behind Trudeau's eco-extremism helped design Ontario's "green" energy disaster a dec- ade ago. Still, they remain True Believers — enviro-cultists who are sure the quickest path to a "carbon-free" economy is to regulate the oil business out of existence and tax Canadians through the nose.



Even in Europe, which is always waved in Canadians' faces as proof a "green" future is possible, alternate energy is facing a crisis.



Tens of billions in tax subsidies have failed to make "green" energy the steady source of power promised.



And now, for instance, Germany's subsidies for wind power are coming to an end, so as many as 20 per cent of German wind turbines will have to be decommissioned each year with nowhere to dispose of the 30-metre concrete bases or the huge turbine blades.



Yet Sunny Trudeau keeps smiling and telling us the alt-energy future is just around the corner.

If dictator Trudeau is reelected he will force the provinces to tax carbon. The feds will get $18 billion out of in GST revenue.

[Anonymous]

Trudeau is making a serious miscalculation thinking he can ram this cash grab down the throats of a nation that does not want it.



From Sun News Media.



With the new Ontario government of Premier Doug Ford announcing it will fight the federal Liberal government's national carbon tax, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's flagship "green" initiative is in far more jeopardy that might be obvious.



Stephen Harper's former chief of staff, Ian Brodie, has pronounced the carbon tax "politically dead," while former Liberal whisperer Warren Kinsella tweeted the tax is "dead, pretty much."



Prince Edward Island's government also announced this month that it was out. And Newfoundland and Labrador is assumed to be exiting, too, since it had sent signals it would do whatever Ontario did.



According to Axethecarbontax.ca, once just one province (Saskatchewan) was opposed, now three are openly opposed, another two (New Brunswick and Newfoundland) are teetering and Manitoba is half in, half out.



If, as expected, the United Conservatives drive the NDP from office in Alberta next spring, by next summer seven of 10 provinces could be out. Only Quebec, B.C. and Nova Scotia would remain in the Trudeau camp.



Also, about two thirds of Canadian voters are opposed, too.



So why does the Trudeau government remain so committed to the carbon tax, not to mention environmental assessment rules that make future pipelines and energy projects all but impossible?



The answer is the Trudeauites are driven by equal parts stubbornness, naiveté and zeal.



No matter how much proof is offered that their proposals will not achieve environmental improvement, the Liberals push on. Indeed, opposition encourages them to push even harder.



That's their stubbornness — the same "green" stubbornness that motivated former Ontario premiers Dalton Mcguinty and Kathleen Wynne and caused them to drive up electricity rates and provincial debt in Ontario to the highest levels on the continent.



The naiveté is obvious, too. Not only are the federal Liberals committed to their carbon tax, but equally to their new environmental regulations that make pipeline builders responsible for all the emissions from the oil they carry (even the emissions before the oil gets in their pipe and the emissions after it has exited). The Libs still love the Paris climate accord, too, even though that commitment has helped drive tens of billions of dollars away from Canada's economy, while achieving nothing environmentally.



Canada is responsible for just



1.5 per cent of worldwide greenhouse gases, including the oilsands. Even if we shut in all our oil, other countries would pick up our market share, meaning we can impoverish ourselves but the same amount of oil will still be burned, likely with even more emissions. It is naïve to think stopping Energy East or Trans Mountain or other pipelines and megaprojects will save the planet. All it will do is beggar Canadian companies, cost Canadian jobs and make it even harder for Canadian governments to balance their books. Which brings us to the Liberals' zeal. Many of the federal Liberal politicians and staffers behind Trudeau's eco-extremism helped design Ontario's "green" energy disaster a dec- ade ago. Still, they remain True Believers — enviro-cultists who are sure the quickest path to a "carbon-free" economy is to regulate the oil business out of existence and tax Canadians through the nose.



Even in Europe, which is always waved in Canadians' faces as proof a "green" future is possible, alternate energy is facing a crisis.



Tens of billions in tax subsidies have failed to make "green" energy the steady source of power promised.



And now, for instance, Germany's subsidies for wind power are coming to an end, so as many as 20 per cent of German wind turbines will have to be decommissioned each year with nowhere to dispose of the 30-metre concrete bases or the huge turbine blades.



Yet Sunny Trudeau keeps smiling and telling us the alt-energy future is just around the corner.

If dictator Trudeau is reelected he will force the provinces to tax carbon. The feds will get $18 billion out of in GST revenue.

A second term of Trudeau. That is scary.

[Anonymous]

yeah carbon taxes are ridiculous. politicians know raising income taxes in general would be very unpopular so they come up with a gimmick.  Now people appear to be getting wise to this giimmick and saying no.



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BTW I hope you don't mind, but I found this global warming related story and didn't have a thread for it.




Remember that video of an emaciated Baffin Island polar bear that went viral last December? It became the poster bear for climate change. National Geographic made a stunning admission – it was a bit bogus.



National Geographic went too far in drawing a definitive connection between climate change and a particular starving polar bear in the opening caption of our video about the animal. We said, "This is what climate change looks like." While science has established that there is a strong connection between melting sea ice and polar bears dying off, there is no way to know for certain why this bear was on the verge of death. This is an updated version of the video.



In other words, it was completely bogus. There was zero evidence the bear's condition and climate change were tied together.



When the two photographers saw the bear, one posted the video on Instagram with the caption, "This is what starvation looks like." He tied it to climate change.



They quickly lost control of the narrative.



National Geographic picked up the video and added subtitles. National Geographic went too far with the caption. They claimed it was iceless land caused by climate change.



Other news outlets ran dramatic headlines like this one from the Washington Post: "'We stood there crying': Emaciated polar bear seen in 'gut-wrenching' video and photos."

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Anyone notice how indifferent Scouse is to all this charge people more prog greenie bullshit.

[Anonymous]

yeah carbon taxes are ridiculous. politicians know raising income taxes in general would be very unpopular so they come up with a gimmick.  Now people appear to be getting wise to this giimmick and saying no.



---

BTW I hope you don't mind, but I found this global warming related story and didn't have a thread for it.




Remember that video of an emaciated Baffin Island polar bear that went viral last December? It became the poster bear for climate change. National Geographic made a stunning admission – it was a bit bogus.



National Geographic went too far in drawing a definitive connection between climate change and a particular starving polar bear in the opening caption of our video about the animal. We said, "This is what climate change looks like." While science has established that there is a strong connection between melting sea ice and polar bears dying off, there is no way to know for certain why this bear was on the verge of death. This is an updated version of the video.



In other words, it was completely bogus. There was zero evidence the bear's condition and climate change were tied together.



When the two photographers saw the bear, one posted the video on Instagram with the caption, "This is what starvation looks like." He tied it to climate change.



They quickly lost control of the narrative.



National Geographic picked up the video and added subtitles. National Geographic went too far with the caption. They claimed it was iceless land caused by climate change.



Other news outlets ran dramatic headlines like this one from the Washington Post: "'We stood there crying': Emaciated polar bear seen in 'gut-wrenching' video and photos."

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/i1yKuk1P2Js/maxresdefault.jpg">

Anyone notice how indifferent Scouse is to all this charge people more prog greenie bullshit.[/quote]
A lot of things working class people should be taking notice of .