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Ten indications Western civilization is collapsing

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Bricktop

What is it about THOSE areas that makes you think they have the will and strength of overwhelm western society?



Eastern Europe is disunited, broke and lacks the industrial capacity and quality of the West.



India is, despite the wealth it generates, still a third world country of chaos.



China may well develop a large economy, but it must be remembered that their economy is contingent upon western consumers.



The West has its issues, but no more or less than any other tribe.

Anonymous

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"All cultures ebb and flow.



The above list is relevant more to America (admittedly, many Americans equate the word "America" to the word "world") than many other western nations. It would be wrong to predict the decline of the West contemporaneously with the decline of America.



And the writer seems to ignore history altogether. Most Western nations participated in 2 wars that decimated whole countries in the early to mid 20th century, as well as Japan. Countries like Germany, France, Italy, the UK, Japan, Singapore, as well as non western countries like Russia and China were decimated. Yet they regenerated and grew, in some ways, stronger than before. (Yes, Japan and Singapore are not technically "West", but they are aligned more with the West than Asia).



White, Western societies and cultures are a lot more robust and resilient than some doomsday predictors give them credit for.



That is before comparing them to non-white nations and cultures, many of which have yet to even form effective self governance.

True, it is USA specific, but all of the West faces these same problems that will overwhelm them. Which civilization will replace the West? My prediction is East Asia and East Europe. They are the only ones who  could do it.

I don't know, but it does seem that those geographic areas are becoming the defenders of free and independent speech..



We'll see or we won't.

Chuck Bronson


Bricktop

His favourite song is "Hey, Jew'd".



His favourite band is "Jew-das Priest".



His favourite holiday destination is Jew-maica.



His birthday is in Jew-ly.



He really lives in Jew-sbury, West Yorkshire.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"What is it about THOSE areas that makes you think they have the will and strength of overwhelm western society?



Eastern Europe is disunited, broke and lacks the industrial capacity and quality of the West.



India is, despite the wealth it generates, still a third world country of chaos.



China may well develop a large economy, but it must be remembered that their economy is contingent upon western consumers.



The West has its issues, but no more or less than any other tribe.

East Asia and Eastern Europe are the only two places left in the world that embrace what the West used to.



Eastern Europe is being held back by the madness of the EU. Romania, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary are all growing faster than Western Europe. If they withdrew from the EU and the Euro zone, they could attract foreign investment and get rid of a lot of expensive and useless EU rules and regulations.



China is far from perfect and they have a long way to go, but at least they are on the right path. Together with Japan and the dragons they represent a bulwark of advanced civilization. And China is not as dependent on exports as many people believe.

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India hasn't a chance. it may develop a large middle class, but the majority will always be poor.

Bricktop

Those nations are growing faster because their baseline was incredibly low.



Their industries were inefficient, the skills low and their innovation non existent. Now that western European countries are setting up in these low cost nations, of course they will improve. They could hardly get worse. They're catching up with those nations that left them far behind...and they are still far behind.



China's future contains a massive gorilla in the room; it's ruled by a dictatorship. The more affluent it becomes, the more people will want a say in the management of their country, and the less effective the centralised government will become.



China is closely following the Singaporean model (Lee Kuan Yew provided the Chinese leadership with advice and mentoring to move to a capitalist economy), but sooner or later, the opposite doctrines of capitalism and communism will collide.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"Those nations are growing faster because their baseline was incredibly low.



Their industries were inefficient, the skills low and their innovation non existent. Now that western European countries are setting up in these low cost nations, of course they will improve. They could hardly get worse. They're catching up with those nations that left them far behind...and they are still far behind.



China's future contains a massive gorilla in the room; it's ruled by a dictatorship. The more affluent it becomes, the more people will want a say in the management of their country, and the less effective the centralised government will become.



China is closely following the Singaporean model (Lee Kuan Yew provided the Chinese leadership with advice and mentoring to move to a capitalist economy), but sooner or later, the opposite doctrines of capitalism and communism will collide.

Actually, IHJ is on the right track(no pun intended). Former East bloc nations are doing a better job of attracting foreign investment than their Western counterparts. But, they would attract more if they were only members  of the EFTA instead  of the EU and Euro zone.

Bricktop

Any nation that offers the whiff of low labour costs will attract the snouts of capitalist corporations. These former basket cases not only provide lower labour costs, they are offering massive incentives and subsidies for multinationals to set up in within their borders. They have to catch up, they know it, and they are doing it. But I will not hold out for a Polish car, or Romanian refrigerator just yet.

Anonymous

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Quote from: "Bricktop"Any nation that offers the whiff of low labour costs will attract the snouts of capitalist corporations. These former basket cases not only provide lower labour costs, they are offering massive incentives and subsidies for multinationals to set up in within their borders. They have to catch up, they know it, and they are doing it. But I will not hold out for a Polish car, or Romanian refrigerator just yet.

No nation starts at the top of the wage scale. The ones that have tried it, like Brazil and Mexico have regretted it. Ireland offered incentives to foreign companies to set up shop on the emerald isle and the eventual result was wages on par with Germany. France's wages have been  effectively frozen for decades. Maybe they should have considered incentives for companies to invest in their bureaucratic nightmare of a country.

Aryan

Quote from: "Bricktop"His favourite song is "Hey, Jew'd".



His favourite band is "Jew-das Priest".



His favourite holiday destination is Jew-maica.



His birthday is in Jew-ly.



He really lives in Jew-sbury, West Yorkshire.


Can Jew believe it?  :shock: