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Terrible: A partial list of the brutal murderers that Canada has convicted and later set free

Started by cc, October 02, 2018, 04:28:41 PM

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Quote from: "cc"My main point in posting this was that "murderers in general" are getting off way too lightly



Agreed the native thing stinks, but that is not the main point of the article containing a very long but far from complete list



Point being that many if not most or even all Canadian murderers are getting off easy - and that seems very bad to me as their victims did not get off easy  .... and in fact received capital punishment



Letting murderers out must be a special kind of hell for family and fiends of victims. They do not deserve this

This thread has kind of went off topic..



I knew a few killers were were getting sentences too short(Karla  Homolka), but I didn't know so many were getting their sentences reduced..



And it is a slap in the face to their victims families.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"very unfortunate, most murders and other violent crimes are committed by recidivist criminals who were let out before they should have been.   Stuff like this gives bad guys more opportunity to prey on people, and they will.

I wonder how many early released murderers have committed violent crimes after being set free.

 Unfortunately the stats below don't specifically answer the question, but they do show the recidivism rate in general, which is pretty stunning IMO.



The US Bureau of Justice study found that inmates released from state prisons have a five-year recidivism rate of 76.6%--more than 3 out of 4  will be caught re-offending.



Another,  National Institute of Justice, found about 68 percent of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of their release from prison, and 77 percent were arrested within five years.



someone who murders another person is probably even more likely to commit another crime, probably a violent one.    letting any number of them out to prey on others, it is a virtual certainty many of them will harm someone again.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"very unfortunate, most murders and other violent crimes are committed by recidivist criminals who were let out before they should have been.   Stuff like this gives bad guys more opportunity to prey on people, and they will.

I wonder how many early released murderers have committed violent crimes after being set free.

 Unfortunately the stats below don't specifically answer the question, but they do show the recidivism rate in general, which is pretty stunning IMO.



The US Bureau of Justice study found that inmates released from state prisons have a five-year recidivism rate of 76.6%--more than 3 out of 4  will be caught re-offending.



Another,  National Institute of Justice, found about 68 percent of 405,000 prisoners released in 30 states in 2005 were arrested for a new crime within three years of their release from prison, and 77 percent were arrested within five years.



someone who murders another person is probably even more likely to commit another crime, probably a violent one.    letting any number of them out to prey on others, it is a virtual certainty many of them will harm someone again.

I'm not surprised Wazzzup..



I never thought maximum security prisons did a good job of rehabilitation.

cc

True. Most important is that for so many, rehab / change cannot happen. Many simply are what they are
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"True. Most important is that for so many, rehab / change cannot happen. Many simply are what they are

Which means they must be segregated from society forever..



Letting killers found not guilty by reason of insanity free after a few years of supervised care seems, well insane to me..



How can they be so sure they will continue to take their psychotropic medication?

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc"True. Most important is that for so many, rehab / change cannot happen. Many simply are what they are

Which means they must be segregated from society forever..



Letting killers found not guilty by reason of insanity free after a few years of supervised care seems, well insane to me..



How can they be so sure they will continue to take their psychotropic medication?
I Agree, it is not worth the very high risk that they will kill again.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc"True. Most important is that for so many, rehab / change cannot happen. Many simply are what they are

Which means they must be segregated from society forever..



Letting killers found not guilty by reason of insanity free after a few years of supervised care seems, well insane to me..



How can they be so sure they will continue to take their psychotropic medication?
I Agree, it is not worth the very high risk that they will kill again.

All it takes is for them to stop taking their medication.

cc

Trudeau bails on vote to denounce child killer - Wouldn't Even Vote at all



"Trudeau stood in the House of Commons and said he would not denounce the special treatment being awarded to child killer Terri-Lynne McClintic.



MPs were asked to vote on a Conservative motion denouncing the fact that McClintic has been moved from a secure prison facility to a healing lodge with no fence and with children present.



Trudeau couldn't do it. In fact, when the time came for MPs to vote, Trudeau bailed.



He didn't stay and stand for the vote, he voted on the bill immediately before this and left, so no record of his cowardice is on file."



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... ild-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"Trudeau bails on vote to denounce child killer - Wouldn't Even Vote at all



"Trudeau stood in the House of Commons and said he would not denounce the special treatment being awarded to child killer Terri-Lynne McClintic.



MPs were asked to vote on a Conservative motion denouncing the fact that McClintic has been moved from a secure prison facility to a healing lodge with no fence and with children present.



Trudeau couldn't do it. In fact, when the time came for MPs to vote, Trudeau bailed.



He didn't stay and stand for the vote, he voted on the bill immediately before this and left, so no record of his cowardice is on file."



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... ild-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer

If you ask how much his national carbon tax is you are a denier. If you ask if he will reimburse provinces for the costs of illegal border crossings, you are a racist. And if you ask him to reconsider special treatment given to a kiddie killer, you are an ambulance chaser. This is the real politics of division that Justine will fight  the next election on.

cc

Not have time to check if this one is on the list - in any regard it's worth noting



https://torontosun.com/news/crime/quintuple-killer-matthew-de-grood-given-greater-privileges-including-visits-to-the-community/wcm/4f8bb1c0-5437-4eaf-b337-f1015c41dcc9">Quintuple killer Matthew de Grood may be granted limited freedom



Quintuple killer Matthew de Grood is to be transferred to Edmonton where he may be granted supervised visits to the community or placement in a halfway house, the Alberta Review Board has ruled.



In an 11-page ruling, the board determined it would be in the best interest of public safety to have de Grood transferred to Alberta Hospital Edmonton from the Southern Alberta Forensic Psychiatry Centre in Calgary.



The move is in part a result of the "toxic" atmosphere de Grood faces in Calgary, including the anger of the victims' families and public backlash.



In May 2016, de Grood was found not criminally responsible by reason of a mental disorder in the April 15, 2014, deaths of five young adults at a house party.



De Grood fatally stabbed Joshua Hunter, Kaitlin Perras, Jordan Segura, Lawrence Hong and Zackariah Rathwell.



The board says that while de Grood "remains a significant threat to the public were he to relapse into a full psychotic state," doctors can increase his freedoms.



"In the opinion of the board, transferring de Grood to AHE to continue his treatment is the best way of protecting the safety of the public while imposing the least onerous order upon him," the board said in its ruling.



It said doctors at Alberta Hospital can grant de Grood increased freedom with escorted visits to Edmonton and surrounding communities accompanied by a responsible adult.



At their discretion, doctors can also permit de Grood "residence in 24-hour supervised approved accommodation in the City of Edmonton and area," the board said.



[WTF??]
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Wazzzup

Quote from: "cc"Quintuple killer...may be granted supervised visits to the community or placement in a halfway house, the Alberta Review Board has ruled.
They need to put that review board in the crazy house with him.



Unbelievable :oeudC:

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "cc"Quintuple killer...may be granted supervised visits to the community or placement in a halfway house, the Alberta Review Board has ruled.
They need to put that review board in the crazy house with him.



Unbelievable :oeudC:

That happened in my city..



His father is a senior officer on the Calgary Police Service.

Wazzzup

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"
Quote from: "cc"Quintuple killer...may be granted supervised visits to the community or placement in a halfway house, the Alberta Review Board has ruled.
They need to put that review board in the crazy house with him.



Unbelievable :oeudC:

That happened in my city..



His father is a senior officer on the Calgary Police Service.


I expect you're not very happy with your government who seems to care more about murderers getting freedom than the lives of you,  your family, and your neighbors.

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"Trudeau bails on vote to denounce child killer - Wouldn't Even Vote at all



"Trudeau stood in the House of Commons and said he would not denounce the special treatment being awarded to child killer Terri-Lynne McClintic.



MPs were asked to vote on a Conservative motion denouncing the fact that McClintic has been moved from a secure prison facility to a healing lodge with no fence and with children present.



Trudeau couldn't do it. In fact, when the time came for MPs to vote, Trudeau bailed.



He didn't stay and stand for the vote, he voted on the bill immediately before this and left, so no record of his cowardice is on file."



https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnis ... ild-killer">https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-bails-on-vote-to-denounce-child-killer

Emperor Trudeau has no tolerance for anyone who disagrees with his stupidity.