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Quote from: "Bricktop"They will need a LOT of tears. That sucker would need the power output equivalent to that of a small city.



Of course, they may wish to use solar, which means no power at night or on grey days. Ditto wind...no wind, no power.

And wind actually accelerates global warming. Natural gas or coal it is.


Frood

Quote from: "Bricktop"They will need a LOT of tears. That sucker would need the power output equivalent to that of a small city.



Of course, they may wish to use solar, which means no power at night or on grey days. Ditto wind...no wind, no power.


Molten salt solar can be stored and prog tears are as numerous as the stars.
Blahhhhhh...

Bricktop

OK.



So who's going to stand around listening to these whiners moaning and crying so they can harvest the tears?

Frood

Blahhhhhh...


Anonymous

By former Ontario cabinet minister John Snobelen



Polluters have climate solutions, too



I was in the barn a few mornings back, doing all the fall things.



Installing tank heaters this time of year isn't nearly as much fun as putting them away in the spring. But, as my grandfather used to say, winter comes at the same time every year and takes us all by surprise.



As I laboured in the barn I was half-listening to the radio. Darned if it wasn't broadcasting an interview with Canada's Minister of Environment and Climate Change Catherine Mckenna.



Mckenna toured our little part of Ontario last week, spreading the good news about carbon taxes.



In order to fully understand the minister, it's necessary to get your environment decoder ring on the right setting.



First, we no longer talk about global warming (which, around here in December, doesn't sound so bad). Yes, the globe is warming. But this is now called climate change.



Second, carbon is no longer an essential life element. It is now a pollutant.



Most importantly, a carbon tax isn't a tax. It's carbon pricing.



All of this is important to know in order to fully grasp the minister's message.



The minister's website puts the matter squarely: Canadians know polluting is not free. We see the cost of droughts, floods, extreme weather and through the effects on our health. It is time polluters pay.



I am now duly informed that when I turn on the barn tank heater, I am no longer just trying to keep livestock watered. I am a polluter.



Mckenna has heard about us polluters, living our archaic, carbon-rich lifestyles. So,we polluters are going to pay.



The federal government is bent on taxing fuels. This isn't exactly new. We already pay extraordinary prices for gasoline and electricity.



But it isn't enough. So, Mckenna will save the planet by increasing the tax on fuel and sending (some of) the proceeds back to (some of) us.



Those of us who pollute more (like farmers) will pay more. Splendid.



I know the minister isn't on a listening tour, but it might be wise for her to hear from a few of the polluters who reject the notion of carbon pricing.



First, she should know that no one likes to throw away money. We use energy as efficiently as the current technology and basic economics allow. Second, we polluters compete in a global economy and we understand the competitive disadvantage of carbon "pricing" in the real world of trade with the U.S. And finally, the minister should know that we deplorable, immoral, fossil fuel burning polluters are hardly climate deniers.



We don't reject the science. We reject half-baked schemes that will not lower emissions unless we are literally taxed into a frozen, inert state.



Mckenna hopes we won't notice the price of carbon would need to be staggeringly high to have any meaningful effect on the climate.



If Mckenna would take a moment to listen, she might hear that it is time to dispense with the jingoistic climate rhetoric and focus on initiatives that will do what carbon taxing won't — reduce carbon while improving Canada's competitive position.



Long-term investments in carbon recovery, carbon sequestration and energy storage would be a good start.



Give Canadians a better, cheaper way to use energy and they will embrace it.



Gosh, that might be better than taxing them into lifestyle choices that are literally chilling. But heck, why listen to a polluter?