Pay higher taxes, more on basic necessities, try to dodge the high crime and stench of homeless bums shitting in the street and if that doesn't thrill you to the point of climax
sit in traffic while some brats take out foreign government policies on commuters who have nothing to do with the situation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-israel-agitators-block-golden-gate-bridge-traffic
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:08:31 PMPay higher taxes, more on basic necessities, try to dodge the high crime and stench of homeless bums shitting in the street and if that doesn't thrill you to the point of climax
sit in traffic while some brats take out foreign government policies on commuters who have nothing to do with the situation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-israel-agitators-block-golden-gate-bridge-traffic
That is everyday life in Canada. That and dying while we wait for surgery.
Quote from: Brent on April 15, 2024, 02:14:17 PMThat is everyday life in Canada. That and dying while we wait for surgery.
Waiting for surgery? With your excellent universal healthcare which should serve as a model for us backwards Americans to follow?
Surly you are watching too much Tucker Carlson sir
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:08:31 PMPay higher taxes, more on basic necessities, try to dodge the high crime and stench of homeless bums shitting in the street and if that doesn't thrill you to the point of climax
sit in traffic while some brats take out foreign government policies on commuters who have nothing to do with the situation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-israel-agitators-block-golden-gate-bridge-traffic
Pepper Spray Cop needs to hose em all down.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:16:53 PMWaiting for surgery? With your excellent universal healthcare which should serve as a model for us backwards Americans to follow?
Surly you are watching too much Tucker Carlson sir
Our health care system is in free fall. It is bankrupting provinces while people die waiting to see specialists or get surgery.
I am just a retired railroader. I do not have any suggestions to fix it. But, we must do something real soon to save universal health care in Canada.
Quote from: Brent on April 15, 2024, 02:32:16 PMOur health care system is in free fall. It is bankrupting provinces while people die waiting to see specialists or get surgery. I am just a retired railroader. I do not have any suggestions to fix it. But, we must do something real soon to save universal health care in Canada.
I remember sewage major bragging about the marvels of the universal health care system in Costa Rica
Yeah, have a heart attack in while vacationing in Costa Rica and see how well a guy who was a voodoo priest just yesterday rubbing guava leaves and fig berries on the palms of your feet works out for you?
these people are morons
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:36:21 PMI remember sewage major bragging about the marvels of the universal health care system in Costa Rica
Yeah, have a heart attack in while vacationing in Costa Rica and see how well a guy who was a voodoo priest just yesterday rubbing guava leaves and fig berries on the palms of your feet works out for you?
these people are morons
Actually, CR's health care system is better than most developing countries.
Quote from: Brent on April 15, 2024, 02:37:51 PMActually, CR's health care system is better than most developing countries.
I assure you the best surgeons in the world are NOT setting up shop in the Favelas of Costa Rica or any other third world cesspool
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:40:13 PMI assure you the best surgeons in the world are NOT setting up shop in the Favelas of Costa Rica or any other third world cesspool
I am not saying they are. I am saying in comparison to other countries in Central America, CR has the best health care.
Quote from: Brent on April 15, 2024, 02:41:43 PMI am not saying they are. I am saying in comparison to other countries in Central America, CR has best health care.
Well, yeah, but that's just like saying "being burned alive isn't as bad as being eaten by a shark"
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on April 15, 2024, 02:08:31 PMPay higher taxes, more on basic necessities, try to dodge the high crime and stench of homeless bums shitting in the street and if that doesn't thrill you to the point of climax
sit in traffic while some brats take out foreign government policies on commuters who have nothing to do with the situation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/anti-israel-agitators-block-golden-gate-bridge-traffic
Captive audiences are not how one wins hearts and minds.
why would anyone who has to get to work or is possibly being transported in an ambulance be concerned over this?
It's not affecting the Pig!
what are you, fascists or something?
Fucking assholes, wanting to do things like use the roads your taxes pay for in pursuit of selfish tasks like picking up your kids from day care that's charging you 150.00 bucks per hour and an additional 200.00 for every hour that you are late.
The selfishness! you didn't see Israel shooting down the poor Iranian drones that didn't doo nuffin out of the sky?
Drone Lives Matter!
It is being reported that after spending two hours stuck on the Brooklyn while on his way to work Israeli Prime minister had ample time to ponder his campaign in Gaza and has subsequently agreed to an immediate ceasefire
More breaking news as it unfolds
Free Palestine" protesters connected to the group "A15 Action" have taken a very original, never-before-seen approach to protest America's support for Israel: blocking roads and the Golden Gate Bridge.
The group, A15 Action, is a newly formed group that asks people to donate to their bail and legal defense fund, which is hosted through ActBlue — the Democratic party's online fundraising juggernaut.
This group is also the project of the Tides Foundation, a network funded by Soros and other liberal billionaires, and the protestors have been blocking "economic chokepoints" all over the country in order to "cause as much financial disruption" as possible.
A15 protesters have also been photographed wearing Hamas bandanas and flying Hezbollah flags on Wall Street in New York.
:laughinatu: https://odysee.com/$/download/google-doesn't-like-it-when-their-commie/012a48b953d9c2257eb9d6c59cab4137d9f17624
Google arresting their own protesters? Say it isn't so! :crampe:
Quote from: not an AIDS commie on April 18, 2024, 07:30:55 PM:laughinatu: https://odysee.com/$/download/google-doesn't-like-it-when-their-commie/012a48b953d9c2257eb9d6c59cab4137d9f17624
Google arresting their own protesters? Say it isn't so! :crampe:
It is not worth downloading just to read it.
Quote from: Brent on April 23, 2024, 02:08:34 PMIt is not worth downloading just to read it.
It's a video, Stimpy. You don't
read it, you
watch it. You know, like all those YouTubes you click on here.
And don't try to sell me on the supposed imposition of filling up your precious hard drive space... or the hassle of a few extra mouseclicks to access it. YouTubes also take up hard drive space in your internet browser cache and if you're that lazy that an extra click or two to watch some content (while expending ten times more effort to whine at me why it's not worth your time) then perhaps congratulations are in order for you being lazier than the average progtard and eminently deserving of them chopping off the penises of your family line.
Stop being such a cretin for once in your damn life. You might just achieve something worthwhile.
Quote from: Brent on April 15, 2024, 02:32:16 PMOur health care system is in free fall. It is bankrupting provinces while people die waiting to see specialists or get surgery.
I am just a retired railroader. I do not have any suggestions to fix it. But, we must do something real soon to save universal health care in Canada.
we have a 3% levy that every tax payer has to pay... is your medicare financially supported like that?
if it is, raise the levy by 1%.
Quote from: caskur on April 23, 2024, 06:15:11 PMwe have a 3% levy that every tax payer has to pay... is your medicare financially supported like that?
if it is, raise the levy by 1%.
No. Canadian health care is funded and administered primarily by the country's 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. It all comes from general revenue.
Government health care is a fucking shitty scam, GET RID OF IT!!!
Quote from: caskur on April 23, 2024, 06:15:11 PMwe have a 3% levy that every tax payer has to pay... is your medicare financially supported like that?
if it is, raise the levy by 1%.
Quote from: DKG on April 24, 2024, 07:30:14 AMNo. Canadian health care is funded and administered primarily by the country's 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. It all comes from general revenue.
Trudeau has opened the floodgates to 1.5 million newcomers a year, but has flatlined transfers to the provinces for health care.
Quote from: Lokmar on April 24, 2024, 09:35:57 AMGovernment health care is a fucking shitty scam, GET RID OF IT!!!
Tax payers pay for Medicare.
It's compulsory in my country. It's a 3% levy on your income.
Our system is the fairest on the planet and very well run.
All visiting Americans that come here are gobsmacked.
Of course if they intend (which they do) on taking in 1 million refugees then we might have a problem.
Quote from: DKG on April 24, 2024, 07:30:14 AMNo. Canadian health care is funded and administered primarily by the country's 13 provinces and territories. Each has its own insurance plan, and each receives cash assistance from the federal government on a per-capita basis. It all comes from general revenue.
It comes from taxes..
Your Federal government and provences collect tax.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:27:01 AMTax payers pay for Medicare.
It's compulsory in my country. It's a 3% levy on your income.
Our system is the fairest on the planet and very well run.
All visiting Americans that come here are gobsmacked.
Of course if they intend (which they do) on taking in 1 million refugees then we might have a problem.
Our system is almost more substandard than the UK's NHS... which is virtually insolvent.
Quote from: Frood on April 25, 2024, 06:41:15 AMOur system is almost more substandard than the UK's NHS... which is virtually insolvent.
Maybe on your side of the country but I spent 16 days in the southern hemisphere most modern hospital and it didn't cost me 1 cent... neither did the 5 operations I had... if I lived in the USA I would have to have sold my house...
My mother had private health insurance and when she used a private hospital for 1 day to have vitamin B shots they charged her insurance company $5,000.
SO I DONT THINK MUCH OF THE PRIVATE SYSTEM... ITS MORE THAN FUCKED AND CORRUPT.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 07:06:50 AMMaybe on your side of the country but I spent 16 days in the southern hemisphere most modern hospital and it didn't cost me 1 cent... neither did the 5 operations I had... if I lived in the USA I would have to have sold my house...
My mother had private health insurance and when she used a private hospital for 1 day to have vitamin B shots they charged her insurance company $5,000.
SO I DONT THINK MUCH OF THE PRIVATE SYSTEM... ITS MORE THAN FUCKED AND CORRUPT.
I got a molar removed and 3 cysts. The bills are still coming in even now. 5400.00 bucks currently. This would have cost under a grand 10-15 years ago.
Maybe they shield the geriatrics though...
Quote from: Frood on April 25, 2024, 07:20:30 AMI got a molar removed and 3 cysts. The bills are still coming in even now. 5400.00 bucks currently. This would have cost under a grand 10-15 years ago.
Maybe they shield the geriatrics though...
Maybe you were conned.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 07:31:09 AMMaybe you were conned.
I definitely was...
By the Australian MEDICARE system.
It's not been the first time.
EVERY interaction with Medicare has been dismal and sometimes almost criminal.
I spit on nationalized Australian Healthcare and have done since I arrived here.
It's village idiots leading village idiots level subsidized village idiot puppy shit.
Quote from: Frood on April 25, 2024, 08:41:55 AMI definitely was...
By the Australian MEDICARE system.
It's not been the first time.
EVERY interaction with Medicare has been dismal and sometimes almost criminal.
I spit on nationalized Australian Healthcare and have done since I arrived here.
It's village idiots leading village idiots level subsidized village idiot puppy shit.
Why do you lie so much?
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 09:01:23 AMWhy do you lie so much?
I'm not lying on this or anything else.
I've experienced healthcare/hospital visits in many nations and Australia has repeatedly been the worst.
Smoke some Copium.
Quote from: Frood on April 25, 2024, 09:20:02 AMI'm not lying on this or anything else.
I've experienced healthcare/hospital visits in many nations and Australia has repeatedly been the worst.
Smoke some Copium.
I can't give an opinion about health care delivery in Australia. But, only the US ranks lower than Canada among peer countries for health care.
New report highlights Canada's low health-care ranking among peer countries
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/new-report-highlights-canadas-low-health-care-ranking-among-peer-countries
You bullshit too much.
You must make up the 15% of ungrateful cunts..... quit feeling sorry for yourself... it's unattractive.
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Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 09:31:21 AMYou bullshit too much.
What did I write do you consider bullshit and why?
Quote from: DKG on April 25, 2024, 09:34:20 AMWhat did I write do you consider bullshit and why?
I was answering Az not you. You got between our posts. I will look at your post now.
I have to turn off this phone so I will write a post about how our Medicare is costed.
I am going to use an example based on a person earning 100,000 a year.
The Medicare levy is 3%. As I said before every tax payer has to pay it and this is how it's done.
At the end of the year when you do your tax returns and your accountant says you will get back $5000 you get that back except for your 3% levy on your $100,000...
So your tax refund would look like this
5,000 refund
Less - 3,000 Medicare levy
Total refund 2,000
That is simplifying it.
People earn $25,000 to millions... you still have to pay the 3% levy.
When it started back in the 1970s it was only 1 % and 50 years later it's now 3%
If it's not run like I have just made it, then you aren't doing Medicare right so I suggest reformation and I don't want to hear anymore bellyaching about it.
As for Az he didn't have to pay for as much as he did and dental work isn't covered by Medicare... we have an auxiliary hospital benefit scheme that covers over dental costs in our household.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 10:10:03 AMI have to turn off this phone so I will write a post about how our Medicare is costed.
I am going to use an example based on a person earning 100,000 a year.
The Medicare levy is 3%. As I said before every tax payer has to pay it and this is how it's done.
At the end of the year when you do your tax returns and your accountant says you will get back $5000 you get that back except for your 3% levy on your $100,000...
So your tax refund would look like this
5,000 refund
Less - 3,000 Medicare levy
Total refund 2,000
That is simplifying it.
People earn $25,000 to millions... you still have to pay the 3% levy.
When it started back in the 1970s it was only 1 % and 50 years later it's now 3%
If it's not run like I have just made it, then you aren't doing Medicare right so I suggest reformation and I don't want to hear anymore bellyaching about it.
As for Az he didn't have to pay for as much as he did and dental work isn't covered by Medicare... we have an auxiliary hospital benefit scheme that covers over dental costs in our household.
So, high income earners subsidize low income earners. Three percent of 500,000 is a lot more than three percent of 40,000.
If they raised the levy three hundred percent, it is obvious your health care system is dealing with rapidly increasing costs like ours is.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:27:01 AMTax payers pay for Medicare.
It's compulsory in my country. It's a 3% levy on your income.
Our system is the fairest on the planet and very well run.
All visiting Americans that come here are gobsmacked.
Of course if they intend (which they do) on taking in 1 million refugees then we might have a problem.
Its compulsory here too, just like SSI.
Here, deadbeats are overwhelming the system because we let everyone in, they dont work, they dont contribute, then they get care, and then everyone who DID pay in has to wait in long lines or have care delayed.
All of this continues to get worse.
With SSI, everyone pays in, the same payouts happen for deadbeats, then eventually benefits for people that payed in suffer.
I say get rid of all safety nets and let fuckers starve. I dont owe them jack or shit.
If I had $9000/yr from SSI for my own retirement, I'd be retired right fukin NOW!
Quote from: DKG on April 25, 2024, 10:18:24 AMSo, high income earners subsidize low income earners. Three percent of 500,000 is a lot more than three percent of 40,000.
It used to be 2%. Then there was a year where some pretty significant floods happened in the state of Queensland.
I remember when it happened. Overnight the cost of produce shot up (a 75 cent banana one day costing 15 dollars the next) as crops were inundated and supply chains disrupted. To be clear, floods are not uncommon on the eastern coast and you would be forgiven for thinking that a people used to dealing with them on a semi regular basis would have systems in place for dealing with them.
The Australian government of the day immediately swung into action, promising government financial support for those most affected. And just as they have done before and since, they increased the tax on the Australian populace, in this case by upping the Medicare rate from 2 to 3% to pay for it.
You heard me correctly. They upped the Medicare levy 1% for the explicit purpose of appropriating the funds for disaster relief. Openly and brazenly, making no secret of it. And I don't remember hearing a single squawk of indignation in the entire affair. Governments in that neck of the woods have been getting away with shenanigans like that for so long that the average dumbass Aussie thinks it's standard operating procedure. Government needs a few extra quid? No problem, they'll just extort it from the voter base as a "temporary" measure and count on the public to forget about any "sunset clause" they might care to make. If they bother to promise one at all that is. You might remember the hard time I gave you about Ron DeSantis's plans for a consumption tax to replace the US income tax; well Australia did that years ago, only they never bothered to repeal the income tax. Effectively taxing the Australian citizenry twice, something explicitly forbidden under the Australian constitution.
I'm not at all sure that whole third of the Medicare levy has found itself being put to some use. I seriously doubt it's on the Queensland flood relief, given the outright thievery I've observed politicians from both sides of the house over the years. In point of fact, I strongly suspect a lot more than just a third is being siphoned off from the healthcare taxes, given the appalling state of healthcare in Australia. Unlike Caskur, I have the direct comparison with other nations healthcare systems; Canada's system (for all its faults and failings) pisses all over the excuse the Australians are afforded.
And I know that from both anecdotal and first hand experience. The amount of stories I could tell you about shit that ought to have earned medical practitioners a fistful of malpractice suits is nothing short of mind boggling.
Quote from: DKG on April 25, 2024, 10:18:24 AMSo, high income earners subsidize low income earners. Three percent of 500,000 is a lot more than three percent of 40,000.
If they raised the levy three hundred percent, it is obvious your health care system is dealing with rapidly increasing costs like ours is.
We treat people equally...
3% regardless of whether it's 25,000 or 500000 or a million.
The people who suffer are the ones that also have private health insurance... they still have to pay the Medicare levy.
Usually people like doctors and nurses and possibly teachers.
Quote from: Lokmar on April 25, 2024, 11:20:16 AMIts compulsory here too, just like SSI.
Here, deadbeats are overwhelming the system because we let everyone in, they dont work, they dont contribute, then they get care, and then everyone who DID pay in has to wait in long lines or have care delayed.
All of this continues to get worse.
Nothing boils my blood more than illegal immigrants being put before citizens....nothing
Quote from: Lokmar on April 25, 2024, 11:20:16 AMWith SSI, everyone pays in, the same payouts happen for deadbeats, then eventually benefits for people that payed in suffer.
What is SSI?
Quote from: Lokmar on April 25, 2024, 11:20:16 AMI say get rid of all safety nets and let fuckers starve. I dont owe them jack or shit.
Well that isn't going to happen and if it did your guns will be stolen and so will the contents of your fridge.
Quote from: Lokmar on April 25, 2024, 11:20:16 AMIf I had $9000/yr from SSI for my own retirement, I'd be retired right fukin NOW!
What age is retirement in your country?... ours is now 67... Kurt retired 3 years ago... I have 3 years to wait. Our retirements used to be 65 for men and 62 for women.
We have everything we need and more than I want. And worse, more to come.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:29:36 PMNothing boils my blood more than illegal immigrants being put before citizens....nothing
What is SSI? Social Security Insurance i.e. national retirement
Well that isn't going to happen and if it did your guns will be stolen and so will the contents of your fridge.I dont thin so. Me and my boys would kill them all. I REALLY have a LOT of ammo!
What age is retirement in your country?... ours is now 67... Kurt retired 3 years ago... I have 3 years to wait. Our retirements used to be 65 for men and 62 for women. Its 67 here but they're talking about
raising it to 70
We have everything we need and more than I want. And worse, more to come.
See above in RED
Dum sum.... why don't you fuck off back to Canada then...take all the Americans that lobbed themselves into our health care system with you.
It was 3% not 2 % and it went up to 4% because of cyclone yasi for 1 year And the Labor PM bitch totally misused the Medicare system doing that and I found that morally reprehensibly wrong.
I am sick to death of WA CONSTANTLY BAILING OUT YOU USELESS BASTARDS in the eastern states.... all you fuckers ever do is whinge whinge whinge... you make me sick... you are so weak in the eastern states you are an embarrassment. Fucking die already.
LokmarL yeah they are going to raise it here too...
I notice that Australia copies ideas from America..... a lot.
We are also getting boat people landing on us because of the Labor party is being weak on illegal immigrants.
I was watching a panel on youtube TalkTV and the guest speakers were all complaining about the way the UK are headed and looking for somewhere else to live and someone said Australia but they said no way, it's full of Australians but the funny thing about that is I also want to cut Australia loose and go live in the UK.. my disquiet is from watching our flora and fauna disappear under greedy development... it is so suppressive watching paradise shrink...
Then I pull myself together and count my blessings.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:00:27 PMWe treat people equally...
3% regardless of whether it's 25,000 or 500000 or a million.
The people who suffer are the ones that also have private health insurance... they still have to pay the Medicare levy.
Usually people like doctors and nurses and possibly teachers.
How can you say one person paying $15,000/year and another paying $750/year are equal. One is subsidizing the other.
And Canada desperately needs private primary medical insurance to take the pressure off of our collapsing public health care system. It is still not allowed.
western governments DO NOT use social safety net money responsibly. Its just another slush fund. Its a fucking scam.
Because its a fucking scam, all that shit needs to go. Its no different than the FISA courts in America. The government abused it, cannot be trusted, so you have to throw the baby out with the bath water because freedom and liberty are far more important.
Quote from: Lokmar on April 26, 2024, 10:38:04 AMwestern governments DO NOT use social safety net money responsibly. Its just another slush fund. Its a fucking scam.
Because its a fucking scam, all that shit needs to go. Its no different than the FISA courts in America. The government abused it, cannot be trusted, so you have to throw the baby out with the bath water because freedom and liberty are far more important.
I tend to agree with this. The new federal social programs enacted under Trudeau(subsidized day care and dental benefits) have been super costly to administer and have not helped the most needy the way his government promised they would.
Quote from: DKG on April 26, 2024, 10:27:21 AMHow can you say one person paying $15,000/year and another paying $750/year are equal. One is subsidizing the other.
And Canada desperately needs private primary medical insurance to take the pressure off of our collapsing public health care system. It is still not allowed.
I disagree one is subsidising the other.
Would you say a person paying 25% tax on $50,000 is being subsidized by a person paying 25% on their $75,000?
I think Australians are one of the highest tax payers..
Here is our tax rates soon to be...
All 13.6 million Australian taxpayers will receive a tax cut.
The Australian Government has made changes to individual income tax rates and thresholds.
This will apply to all taxable income you earn from 1 July 2024. The changes will not impact your 2023–24 tax return.
From 1 July this year, these changes will:
reduce the 19 per cent tax rate to 16 per cent
reduce the 32.5 per cent tax rate to 30 per cent
increase the 37 per cent tax threshold from $120,000 to $135,000
increase the 45 per cent tax threshold from $180,000 to $190,000.
These changes will deliver a tax cut to every Australian taxpayer.
I just went and compared our tax rates with Canada... and our rates are double yours.
I don't even know what you people are complaining about.
20 years ago when my wife and I were making about $65K/yr, I figured out our total tax burden was 47%. Thats fucking criminal. Now, we make about $300K/yr. I'll bet you its at least 60%.
IDGAF how fucking rich someone is, taking more than half their wealth in fees and taxes should result in the government being overthrown.
Quote from: Lokmar on April 26, 2024, 04:39:29 PM20 years ago when my wife and I were making about $65K/yr, I figured out our total tax burden was 47%. Thats fucking criminal. Now, we make about $300K/yr. I'll bet you its at least 60%.
IDGAF how fucking rich someone is, taking more than half their wealth in fees and taxes should result in the government being overthrown.
I agree, but I would lower that number to one quarter their annual income.
Quote from: caskur on April 26, 2024, 03:56:35 PMI disagree one is subsidising the other.
Would you say a person paying 25% tax on $50,000 is being subsidized by a person paying 25% on their $75,000?
We all receive the same amount of government services. But, we aren't all charged the same for those services.
If one person earning earning 400K is paying 100K per annum in taxes for services and another person earning 40K is paying 10K then the former is subsidizing the latter. He or she is paying ten times what someone else is for the same services.
Quote from: DKG on April 27, 2024, 07:49:32 AMWe all receive the same amount of government services. But, we aren't all charged the same for those services.
If one person earning earning 400K is paying 100K per annum in taxes for services and another person earning 40K is paying 10K then the former is subsidizing the latter. He or she is paying ten times what someone else is for the same services.
People who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.
If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:42:27 PMDum sum.... why don't you fuck off back to Canada then...take all the Americans that lobbed themselves into our health care system with you.
I don't know any. I'd call that a major stumbling block to your proposal.
There is also the matter of the political situation. Both Australia and Canada are captives of Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum, an organisation whose aims are to bankrupt the peoples wealth in ways that dwarf the constant railing you engage in against your eastern states. Myopia is as myopia does I guess, you'll still be holding the eastern states responsible when globalism takes your entire way of life from you, but you do you.
It is worth noting however...
Quote from: caskur on April 26, 2024, 04:11:39 PMI just went and compared our tax rates with Canada... and our rates are double yours.
I don't even know what you people are complaining about.
The reason is simple; both are onerous. And Canadians are being gouged in ways that Australians aren't, the figures to which you base your assertion on likely do not reflect this.
Both countries could do with vastly diminished taxation. Most countries could. And it could be done as easily as drawing down government interference in your daily lives and forcing a bunch of fatassed regulators into the public sector. You know, to actually produce shit that was of saleable worth instead of producing inflation and red tape as they do now.
The ancient Romans managed to run their empire on single figure tax rates, just saying.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:42:27 PMIt was 3% not 2 % and it went up to 4% because of cyclone yasi for 1 year And the Labor PM bitch totally misused the Medicare system doing that and I found that morally reprehensibly wrong.
Your entire country misuses the Medicare system. Crunch the numbers sometime (I'll wait) and see if you can explain to me where those billions in Medicare levies are being sent. Payouts to Pfizer maybe? A personal politician's library or three? It sure as hell isn't towards training competent medical staff or you wouldn't be importing a bunch of chinks, wops and dagos for your GPs to make a dent in those inordinately long waiting times at your local clinic.
I seem to recall a time not so long ago when doctors still made house calls. And it didn't break the bank to do it either. Your Medicare system sucks ass at gloryholes and if you're so keen to suck its then you're a fool.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:42:27 PMFucking die already.
I'll get there in my own time thanks. As will you. Probably long before I do. Sorry about your luck.
Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 10:15:01 AMPeople who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.
If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.
In a socialised medicare system people who earn more DO subsidise people who earn less. That sixty dollars you pay out of your pocket is but a surcharge which is paid to the government, not the doctor (even though it is the doctor's secretary that collects it.
The government (ideally) then contributes that sixty into the pool of monies they have already levied from the people. Remember that pool has already been largely generated off the back of a percentage levied on the earnings of individual peoples generative worth. That is where the top earners are subsidising the poor.
Because when the government reallocates the money back to your doctor, your doctor has no idea if the payment he just received cost you ten or a thousand dollars in medicare levies. You get the same level of service either way.
Now... if the doctor gave you a tenth of the service he gave to someone who had paid ten times as much through the medicare levy,
that would be unsubsidised service.
Fail maths much?
You don't pay more for a doctor's visit if you are richer than someone on half your income.
If a visit to the doctor costs $60 dollar for Freddy 50,000, then it's still $60 for a person on $500,000.
:facepalm:
Quote from: caskur on April 27, 2024, 10:15:01 AMPeople who earn more don't subsidise people who earn less.
If the doctors fee is $60 then it's $60 for both the rich and the poor that is covered by tax payers Medicare.
That's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.
If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.
if we want a high standard of living,... and I do want a high standard of living,.... then that costs money and the money comes from taxes.
more people today globally live very well than throughout mans entire history. More food, better housing, clothing, and basic healthcare... roads, hospitals, a police force.
Quote from: DKG on April 29, 2024, 07:18:15 AMThat's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.
If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.
the rich person eventually goes on a pension then they get the benefit of younger medicare participants contributions. It is a long term deal.
we personally have contributed to medicare coffers for 50 years.... now its our turn to make good use of it.
Quote from: DKG on April 29, 2024, 07:18:15 AMThat's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.
If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.
:Doh2: Dr do not charge rich people more.
Quote from: caskur on April 28, 2024, 06:41:15 AMFail maths much?
You don't pay more for a doctor's visit if you are richer than someone on half your income.
Fail comprehension much?
That sixty dollars you pay to the doctor is little more than the administrative fee the government levies. The doctor receives his cut not from you, but from the Medicare levy... that percentage of your gross earnings and the gross earnings of the rest of you apparently under-educated wombats.
If you contribute 100 dollars out of your tax to the Medicare levy while someone else pays 1000, they are contributing more to the doctor's paypacket than you. They are, in fact, subsidizing
you, because it is the Medicare levy that pays the doctor's salary, not the sixty dollars government surcharge the doctor collects from you at the clinic.
Are you really that stupid that you cannot understand this basic premise? Because you're giving every indication that you are.
Quote from: DKG on April 29, 2024, 07:18:15 AMThat's a flat fee which is how it should be, but not how Australia pays for health care according to how you explained it.
If the doctor charges 0.1 percent of a person's income than the rich person is paying a lot more than the poor person for the same service. That is totally unfair.
Well at least you understand the inequity of the Australian Medicare system. Caskur seems to be functioning on half a Fetterman on the subject... stuck on a kind of "oh no, Missus Kvetch and I pay the same amount to the lovely Doctor Ahmediminagaybar" because that's what she sees. The concept of that payment being yet another "tax" of sorts that her government uses to fund the administrative arm that reimburses the doctor from the Medicare levy just seems to get the budgies flying about her ears.
I aint a fan of how Australia pays for health care.
Quote from: caskur on April 29, 2024, 08:07:51 AM:Doh2: Dr do not charge rich people more.
I never said they did, did I. I was explaining how flat fees(as doctors charge in Australia and Canada for certain services) are fair, but a percentage of income charge with no ceiling is not.
Quote from: DKG on April 30, 2024, 07:21:02 AMI never said they did, did I. I was explaining how flat fees(as doctors charge in Australia and Canada for certain services) are fair, but a percentage of income charge with no ceiling is not.
Well you'd be wrong then. 3% of every tax payers income is fair, it works and has done for 50 years.
Quote from: caskur on April 25, 2024, 06:00:27 PMWe treat people equally...
3% regardless of whether it's 25,000 or 500000 or a million.
The people who suffer are the ones that also have private health insurance... they still have to pay the Medicare levy.
Usually people like doctors and nurses and possibly teachers.
Are you really this stupid. The person that earns more pays more for the same health care under your country's system.
Quote from: Brent on April 30, 2024, 01:52:17 PMAre you really this stupid. The person that earns more pays more for the same health care under your country's system.
it could be capped. I am actually not sure (unless I go off and look it up) for instance if someone on $200,000 pays the highest rate and everyone with a higher income thereafter pays what the $200,000 person pays.
according to the net we in Oz have more doctors than other countries.
Quote from: Brent on April 30, 2024, 01:52:17 PMAre you really this stupid. The person that earns more pays more for the same health care under your country's system.
If you are on a very high income there are caps. I am not very interested in what they all are or what it all means but I ask Google for some information it is as I suspected, capped. We have never earned $500,000 a year so I have no need to know until this discussion came along but here is one comment by Google... if you want to research then by all means...
I have only used bulk bill doctors for the last 20 years and they don't charge anymore than they get from Medicare.
What is the cap limit for Medicare?
In 2024, the threshold for concessional individuals and families, including families that received Family Tax Benefit Part (A), is $811.80. The threshold for all other (non-concessional) individuals and families in 2024 is $2544.30.
And further it looks like dum sum was right about the 2% not 3%... when they made it 3% to cover Queensland Cyclones that was an abuse... if they need to raise it to 3% eventually the money must go towards the service. I have no problem with that...
People earning up to $30,000 don't have to pay the levy which I just found out and found very interesting. Up until Kurt retired we always had to pay the levy.
Does everyone pay the 2% Medicare levy?
Everyone who earns more than $29,033 in the most recent tax year is required to pay a 2% Medicare levy. There are a few limited exceptions to this.12 Jan 2023
* looks like I owe dipshit Dum Sum an apology for calling him a liar... he got one right for a change.
Sorry dum sum you hairy hippy faggot.
Quote from: Brent on April 30, 2024, 01:52:17 PMAre you really this stupid. The person that earns more pays more for the same health care under your country's system.
That is a scoialist's version of fairness. The more you make, the more you pay. But, you don't receive more.
If public health care wanted to be more fair they would get rid of the 3 percent and charge high risk people more. That would also incentivize smokers and the obese to get healthy.
Quote from: Thiel on April 30, 2024, 10:05:15 PMThat is a scoialist's version of fairness. The more you make, the more you pay. But, you don't receive more.
If public health care wanted to be more fair they would get rid of the 3 percent and charge high risk people more. That would also incentivize smokers and the obese to get healthy.
What about older folks and people with pre existing conditions? Charge them more?
ELIMINATE THE DOLE!!!!
Quote from: caskur on April 30, 2024, 10:39:37 AMWell you'd be wrong then. 3% of every tax payers income is fair, it works and has done for 50 years.
How on earth is one person perhaps paying several times more than another person for the same medical services not the polar opposite of fairness?
Quote from: Thiel on April 30, 2024, 10:05:15 PMThat is a scoialist's version of fairness. The more you make, the more you pay. But, you don't receive more.
If public health care wanted to be more fair they would get rid of the 3 percent and charge high risk people more. That would also incentivize smokers and the obese to get healthy.
In some ways, our health care is funded not that much differently. Unlike Australia, health care funding comes out of general revenue. Since we have "progressive taxation" in Canada, the more you earn, the more you pay. So indirectly, high earners are subsidizing those on the other end of the scale, like Australia.
Quote from: DKG on May 01, 2024, 07:24:57 AMIn some ways, our health care is funded not that much differently. Unlike Australia, health care funding comes out of general revenue. Since we have "progressive taxation" in Canada, the more you earn, the more you pay. So indirectly, high earners are subsidizing those on the other end of the scale, like Australia.
In 2022, health care spending per person in Canada was $8563.00..
If we paid for health care the way Australia does that would mean the average Canadian earned about $270,000 per year, lol.
I gave a simple math equation going by an earnings of 100,000 because it's easy to work with...
I have been corrected the levy is %2 not 3%
So everyone pays 2% of their income in the Medicare pool.
I could have written it like this..
Income 100,000
Tax return 14,000
Medicare levy 2,000
Tax return cheque 12,000
Quote from: DKG on May 01, 2024, 07:20:12 AMHow on earth is one person perhaps paying several times more than another person for the same medical services not the polar opposite of fairness?
I know quite a few rich people who have extremely handicapped children... why should Kurt and I have paid into Medicare for them when we were healthy and rarely visited a doctor?
Your argument doesn't hold up because you aren't thinking about what the Medicare levy does and who it helps obviously.
We pay for it by getting less tax return back... the money isn't even missed.
Quote from: caskur on May 02, 2024, 07:18:08 AMI gave a simple math equation going by an earnings of 100,000 because it's easy to work with...
I have been corrected the levy is %2 not 3%
So everyone pays 2% of their income in the Medicare pool.
I could have written it like this..
Income 100,000
Tax return 14,000
Medicare levy 2,000
Tax return cheque 12,000
I know quite a few rich people who have extremely handicapped children... why should Kurt and I have paid into Medicare for them when we were healthy and rarely visited a doctor?
Your argument doesn't hold up because you aren't thinking about what the Medicare levy does and who it helps obviously.
We pay for it by getting less tax return back... the money isn't even missed.
Quote from: caskur on May 02, 2024, 07:18:08 AMI gave a simple math equation going by an earnings of 100,000 because it's easy to work with...
I have been corrected the levy is %2 not 3%
So everyone pays 2% of their income in the Medicare pool.
I could have written it like this..
Income 100,000
Tax return 14,000
Medicare levy 2,000
Tax return cheque 12,000
I know quite a few rich people who have extremely handicapped children... why should Kurt and I have paid into Medicare for them when we were healthy and rarely visited a doctor?
Your argument doesn't hold up because you aren't thinking about what the Medicare levy does and who it helps obviously.
We pay for it by getting less tax return back... the money isn't even missed.
Okay, so you admit not everybody pays the same for the same health care services. But, unfairness is exactly what you get when you pay for health care based on income. Nobody should be punished for having a better education and job.
Quote from: formosan on May 01, 2024, 12:31:55 PMIn 2022, health care spending per person in Canada was $8563.00..
If we paid for health care the way Australia does that would mean the average Canadian earned about $270,000 per year, lol.
Yes, I realize public health care is unsustainable in Canada without major reforms.
Quote from: DKG on May 02, 2024, 07:32:56 AMOkay, so you admit not everybody pays the same for the same health care services. But, unfairness is exactly what you get when you pay for health care based on income. Nobody should be punished for having a better education and job.
It isn't a punishment.
There is no fairer system than Medicare.
A millionaire can have a free doctor consultation as well as Burger King worker or a pensioner.
How is that "punishing" the millionaire? It isn't.
Quote from: caskur on May 02, 2024, 07:46:52 AMIt isn't a punishment.
There is no fairer system than Medicare.
A millionaire can have a free doctor consultation as well as Burger King worker or a pensioner.
How is that "punishing" the millionaire? It isn't.
There's something wrong in your skull.
Quote from: Frood on May 02, 2024, 09:03:24 AMThere's something wrong in your skull.
How much do you pay for your families private health?
Quote from: Frood on May 02, 2024, 09:03:24 AMThere's something wrong in your skull.
Muddlecare would no doubt fix it if it were any good.
Quote from: caskur on May 02, 2024, 07:46:52 AMIt isn't a punishment.
There is no fairer system than Medicare.
A millionaire can have a free doctor consultation as well as Burger King worker or a pensioner.
How is that "punishing" the millionaire? It isn't.
Yes, they can both see a doctor and not pay any upfront fees, but that is where the "fairness" ends. Look at what the government is conficating from the millionaire for a health care levy vs the Burger King employee.
Quote from: DKG on May 03, 2024, 09:36:31 AMYes, they can both see a doctor and not pay any upfront fees, but that is where the "fairness" ends. Look at what the government is conficating from the millionaire for a health care levy vs the Burger King employee.
Medicare is capped... a Millionaire does not have to pay the 2% they pay less... and I don't know the ins and outs of every circumstance nor wish to actually.
Millionaires have sick children with celebral palsy and cystic fibrosis and brain cancer and a multitude of different afflictions and Mr and Mrs Average worker on their 40 or 50,000 a year help pay for a millionaires child's hospital stays and Drs.
The rich are not special and aren't treated that way.
Australia pays for our sick and has plenty of money left over to help the sick in different countries.
Anyone who knocks our system like the two dickheads in this thread can go shovel sand up their arse. They are the most ungrateful duck farts I have ever had the misfortune to meet in my lifetime.
Meanwhile in Baja California (Mexico) two Western Australian men, one a Doctor at my Fiona Stanley Hospital are missing... their car has been found burnt out and a woman has been arrested because she has one of the missing Aussie men's mobile phone.
Quote from: caskur on May 03, 2024, 02:54:40 PMMedicare is capped... a Millionaire does not have to pay the 2% they pay less... and I don't know the ins and outs of every circumstance nor wish to actually.
Millionaires have sick children with celebral palsy and cystic fibrosis and brain cancer and a multitude of different afflictions and Mr and Mrs Average worker on their 40 or 50,000 a year help pay for a millionaires child's hospital stays and Drs.
The rich are not special and aren't treated that way.
Australia pays for our sick and has plenty of money left over to help the sick in different countries.
Anyone who knocks our system like the two dickheads in this thread can go shovel sand up their arse.
I'd rather point out that you shot yourself in the foot by tacitly admitting in your post above that not everyone pays the same for medical treatment in that third world hovel you are so unjustly proud of. Since you admit that not everyone pays the same, DKG's, Frood's and my own assertion stands; your Muddlecare system is inherently corrupt for charging some more than others for the same crappy service.
Now do continue to make all the excuses under the sun as to why this ought to be the case and prove to us thereby that you don't merely lean left, you are in fact a socialist who would cheer for her masters to exert totalitarian control over the populace while they ready the next round of experiments, my obedient little genetically modified pincushion.
Even while they're siphoning off tax dollars from the healthcare system to pay for natural disasters because they overspent on donations to foreign couintries to run drone strikes on aid workers. Which reminds me, has the ICC let your "democratically elected" Prime Mincer off the hook for that yet?
I know a lot of Aussies in Singapore. They say cracks are appearing in their health care system too. Not as bad as in Canada, where provincial governments are facing bankruptcy just to delay it's inevitable collapse, but still.
Quote from: Shen Li on May 04, 2024, 01:07:39 AMI know a lot of Aussies in Singapore. They say cracks are appearing in their health care system too. Not as bad as in Canada, where provincial governments are facing bankruptcy just to delay it's inevitable collapse, but still.
In Australia it is customary to simply jack up the taxes and add more bureaucratic red tape. Cigarette smokers for example are presently paying anything up to the equivalent of 100 USD a day for their habit with the excuse that it's to pay for the increased strain they will put on the system in coming years. To keep the tobacco and Big Pharma lobbies happy, changes have been made at the constitutional level (and without referendum for the Australian people) to make the safer alternative of vaping onerous to the point of near impossibility.
You are also not allowed to "grow your own" as you are in Canada and the fines and associated penalties are far in excess than growing an equivalent amount of cannabis or substances considered illicit by order of magnitude. One is left with the overwhelming conclusion the game is less about caring for the health of its citizens and more about maintaining the kinds of protectionist rackets that would make your average South American socialist shithole blush. Australia is as corrupt as they come and its people incentivized to turn to a thriving black market to make ends meet. Its entire way of life it set to collapse in on itself, it's only a matter of "when".
I would not like to be a retiree there when it does. The pension system the boomers paid into under the promise they too might collect on in their winter years collapsed long ago, the superannuation schemes instituted to prop it up are being rorted in weird and wonderful ways by successive governments. The Medicare system is no different, indeed it was effectively scrapped once already back when it was known as Medibank, the government of the day deciding to privatize the public and not for profit health system people had been paying tax levies to.
It happened once, it can happen again. Probably right around the time the amount of "died suddenly" cases gets too big to ignore and the victim class too overtaxed to pay for it. Do not be fooled by Caskur's optimistic jingoism and instead look to her increasingly strident shrieks regarding how her state's wealth is being milked by the greedy eastern states; there's a reason why the Australian dollar is collapsing and one look at the criminals Australians meekly put up with election after election tells you all you need to know.
Quote from: Tex Perkins on May 04, 2024, 12:11:28 AMI'd rather point out that you shot yourself in the foot by tacitly admitting in your post above that not everyone pays the same for medical treatment in that third world hovel you are so unjustly proud of. Since you admit that not everyone pays the same, DKG's, Frood's and my own assertion stands; your Muddlecare system is inherently corrupt for charging some more than others for the same crappy service.
Precisely. This discussion is over acknowledged that not everybody is charged the same price for the same services.
Quote from: DKG on May 04, 2024, 09:46:22 AMPrecisely. This discussion is over acknowledged that not everybody is charged the same price for the same services.
I've been holding an ace up my sleeve on the subject as well. This supposedly "fair and equitable" healthcare system that Australians pay into whether they like it or not is in fact a two-tiered system.
So far in this discussion we have concerned ourselves largely with the first and compulsory tier that all taxpayers contribute to. Pay extra to a private medical insurer however, you can see a "private" doctor to enjoy a premium level of health care services not covered under the basic package.
You'll need a six figure salary to be able to comfortably afford it, along with the ability to turn a blind eye to the fact said "private" doctors are required by Australian law to do a certain percentage of public "first tier" work per week. The government makes sure of that. If the doctors of private practices do not comply, their license to work is revoked, this effectively providing for another level of subsidy to the public healthcare users.
And it's not as though the private doctors are allowed to do their best for their private patients either. You take the recent Commie Cough scandal; about a month into the scamdemic, a team of scientists in Brisbane Australia were having success in treating Covid patients with (among other things) hydroxychloroquine.
The "other things" FYI were drugs previously associated with treating AIDS patients.
Let all that sink in for a moment. Promising results in the treatment of people already afflicted and suffering from a (supposedly deadly) pathogen. What do you think the Australian government's reaction was?
I'll tell you.
They banned the use of those drugs in treatment. As it was with Ivermectin later, a doctor could lose his license to practice if he was caught prescribing them. I guess the existence of treatments would have made it all the harder for the Australian government to roll out the untested experimental injections on offer from Pfizer and Astra Zeneca and wanted to make sure there was no impediment to authorizing their use.
That is but one example of how willfully shitty and unfair the Australian health care system is. I can think of a plethora of others, including one that had the capacity to personally affect me if I let them. And as bad as the Canadian medical system is, I don't mind telling you that it was Canadian doctors that recognised the symptoms I was presenting with (in a couple of days no less) which had Australian medicos scratching their heads for more than a dozen years.
Not that it would have done them a lot of good if they had. The medicines that treated me in Canada simply aren't available in Australia.