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South Korea currently has the world's lowest fertility rate, with women having less than one child on average.

The drop in South Korea's fertility rate over the past few years results from the "4B Movement," with the B's representing the Korean words bihon, bichulsan, biyeonae, and bisekseu for marriage, childbirth, dating, and sex respectively.

The 4B Movement: South Korean Women Rejecting Traditional Expectations

In 2019, the 4B Movement emerged in South Korea, it's been getting a lot of notice on TikTok, gaining more traction and sparking debate.

This movement's central tenets challenge deeply ingrained societal norms, advocating that women should reject the following:

Bihon: Heterosexual marriage
Bichulsan: Childbirth
Biyeonae: Dating men
Bisekseu: Heterosexual relationships
Unraveling the Roots of the 4B Movement

The 4B Movement stems from a complex mix of social, economic, and cultural factors that have created a climate of deep-seated discontent and also rage among many young South Korean women, including:

Persistent Patriarchy & Misogyny: Despite South Korea's position as a developed, modernized nation, patriarchal structures are deeply embedded in its society. Women often face discrimination in the workplace, are pressured to conform to unrealistic beauty standards (Korea is the #1 country for plastic surgery procedures), and carry a disproportionate burden of domestic labor and childcare.
Economic Hardships and Disillusionment: South Korea's hyper-competitive economy and the skyrocketing cost of living have made it increasingly difficult to form families and raise children. Many young women feel disillusioned with the lack of opportunities and the expectation that their primary role should be as wives and mothers.
The #MeToo Reckoning: The global #MeToo movement had a significant impact on South Korea, exposing widespread sexual harassment and violent assault with little reprehension or justice by authorities. This ignited a broader critique of gender inequality and inspired women to demand greater autonomy and bodily agency.
Online Feminist Communities: Social media has empowered feminist movements in South Korea. These platforms raise awareness, help share personal experiences, and organize around common causes. The 4B movement has found fertile ground in these spaces with people around the globe.
The Evolution of South Korean Feminism

The 4B movement can be understood as part of a broader trajectory within South Korean feminism.

Previous feminist movements, like the Escape the Corset movement, focused primarily on challenging unrealistic beauty standards and the objectification of women.

The 4B movement expands on this, taking a more radical stance against the entire institution of heterosexual marriage and the traditional family structure within South Korean society.

Criticisms and Concerns

The 4B movement is not without its critics of course, with detractors arguing that it:

Is Too Extreme: Some argue that the movement's total rejection of heterosexual relationships and reproduction is too extreme and unrealistic.

Contributes to Low Fertility Rates: There are concerns that the 4B philosophy could further contribute to South Korea's alarmingly low birth rate, posing demographic challenges for the country.

Oversimplifies Complex Issues: Others find its stance overly simplistic, ignoring the diversity of women's experiences and the potential for positive partnerships with men.

Implications of the 4B Movement
There are valid concerns related to the plummeting birth and fertility rates namely the drastically changing demographic makeup of the country.

As South Korea's population ages, there is no younger generation to balance the population demographics.

This trend is what led to the projection that over half of Korea's population will be over the age of 65 by 2065.

This has serious implications related to Korea's economic and military capacity.

Other countries have echoed South Korea's "birth strike" – making it a transnational feminist movement.

Women in China have started their own "four nos" movement, causing the population to start shrinking, and Japan is also experiencing a drastically lowered birth rate because of women's reluctance to marry and have children.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/the-4b-movement-in-korea-is-causing-the-birthrate-to-drop-will-other-countries-follow/ar-BB1iEHs2?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=3ed7f90608dd48d5bcf48969fe20c0c9&ei=12

Korea, like Japan and Taiwan will be a nation of old people in the not too distant future. Singpaore has immigration to maintain a working age population, but other Asian nations are reluctant to change demographics.

Interesting.

Perhaps Singapore IS the place to go?

The developed countries of East Asia have the lowest birth rates in the world.......China's fertility rate is almost as low.

I feel good that I did my part. I got TWO white women knocked up TWICE!!!!  :drunk2:

I dont pull out!!!

Quote from: Lokmar on February 29, 2024, 11:43:23 AMI feel good that I did my part. I got TWO white women knocked up TWICE!!!!  :drunk2:

I dont pull out!!!

Were they pregnant at the same time?

Quote from: Brent on February 29, 2024, 11:57:38 AMWere they pregnant at the same time?

 :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:

Good one!!!!

First 2 were with wife #1. With her for more than a dozen years

Second 2 were with second wife. Still together after more than 20 years.

Quote from: Lokmar on February 29, 2024, 12:20:19 PM:crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:  :crampe:

Good one!!!!

First 2 were with wife #1. With her for more than a dozen years

Second 2 were with second wife. Still together after more than 20 years.

They both musta really suffered...Lokmeer!

Those are 2 really brave women I tell ya!

Quote from: JOE on February 29, 2024, 06:22:03 PMThey both musta really suffered...Lokmeer!

Those are 2 really brave women I tell ya!

Shut up, Joe.

If you did not take it up the ass, you would still be a virgin.

Quote from: Lokmar on February 29, 2024, 11:43:23 AMI feel good that I did my part. I got TWO white women knocked up TWICE!!!!  :drunk2:

I dont pull out!!!

White chix eh Lok. That's the mistake you made right there.

Once you go Asian, you never go caucasian.

Quote from: JOE on February 29, 2024, 06:22:03 PMThey both musta really suffered...Lokmeer!

Those are 2 really brave women I tell ya!

You and thiel should gossip about it next time he's pounding your shit back up into your tonsils, josephine!!!!

Quote from: Shen Li on February 29, 2024, 07:15:28 PMWhite chix eh Lok. That's the mistake you made right there.

Once you go Asian, you never go caucasian.

LOL! Thats a fukin classic right there!  :crampe:  2nd time was like winning the lottery for me! I STILL thank God for that miracle!

Quote from: Lokmar on February 29, 2024, 08:49:29 PMYou and thiel should gossip about it next time he's pounding your shit back up into your tonsils, josephine!!!!

Oh. I thought ya said ya pulled yer 1st wife's hair & beat er.

I guess ya had ta have a 1st wife ta practice on & warm up with b'fore ya met the 2nd...eh Lokmeer?

Don' worry.

I've met guys like that.

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 10:06:03 AMOh. I thought ya said ya pulled yer 1st wife's hair & beat er.

I guess ya had ta have a 1st wife ta practice on & warm up with b'fore ya met the 2nd...eh Lokmeer?

Don' worry.

I've met guys like that.

Does Thiel pull your hair when he pounds you?

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 10:06:03 AMOh. I thought ya said ya pulled yer 1st wife's hair & beat er.

I guess ya had ta have a 1st wife ta practice on & warm up with b'fore ya met the 2nd...eh Lokmeer?

Don' worry.

I've met guys like that.

Hell, my best memories of that bitch was punching her! If she showed up at my doorstep today and threw something at me or shoved me, I'd beat her to death with a claw hammer. I mean, with her, I wouldnt want to use a gun because that would end it too fast.

You prolly shouldnt show up tho, josephine.  :popcorn:

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 12:30:00 PMHell, my best memories of that bitch was punching her! If she showed up at my doorstep today and threw something at me or shoved me, I'd beat her to death with a claw hammer. I mean, with her, I wouldnt want to use a gun because that would end it too fast.

You prolly shouldnt show up tho, josephine.  :popcorn:

Ah...fer all yer tough talk, I knows yer jes' a gentle like a Lamb ...Lokmeer!

Mind you, you have a rough kinda sense of humor you do!

But I know ya wouldn't shoot me.

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 12:40:05 PMAh...fer all yer tough talk, I knows yer jes' a gentle like a Lamb ...Lokmeer!

Mind you, you have a rough kinda sense of humor you do!

But I know ya wouldn't shoot me.

Dont make any sudden moves josephine! FA/FO.

Almost forgot...the dog might be on you too, BTW. Its VERY antisocial.

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 12:59:05 PMAlmost forgot...the dog might be on you too, BTW. Its VERY antisocial.

Oh, I thought Ya'd bite me first.

Like owner like dog y'know.

Quote from: TheProwler on February 29, 2024, 06:29:49 PMShut up, Joe.

If you did not take it up the ass, you would still be a virgin.

Jo Jo was a virgin before we met and fell madly in love.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 01, 2024, 12:23:59 PMDoes Thiel pull your hair when he pounds you?

No, I don't. Jo Jo's hair is thinning. I don't want to pull what remains out. He is very self conscious about that.

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 10:06:03 AMOh. I thought ya said ya pulled yer 1st wife's hair & beat er.

I guess ya had ta have a 1st wife ta practice on & warm up with b'fore ya met the 2nd...eh Lokmeer?

Don' worry.

I've met guys like that.

Sweetie, tell them. I never hit you after we have sex.

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 01:18:51 PMOh, I thought Ya'd bite me first.

Like owner like dog y'know.

No, I'd shoot you. You prefer the 45 ACP or 357 Mag? Lemme know.

Quote from: Thiel on March 01, 2024, 01:38:04 PMSweetie, tell them. I never hit you after we have sex.

josephine gets 2 fukin black eyes and a gag ball tho during. Right?

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 05:29:18 PMNo, I'd shoot you. You prefer the 45 ACP or 357 Mag? Lemme know.

I thought Rednecks were supposed ta be friendly...Lokmeer!

Maybe a bit a moonshine will calm ya down.

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 12:30:00 PMHell, my best memories of that bitch was punching her! If she showed up at my doorstep today and threw something at me or shoved me, I'd beat her to death with a claw hammer. I mean, with her, I wouldnt want to use a gun because that would end it too fast.

Eveery time ya talk about yer Ex/1st wife, it reminds me of that guy Harry Fenton Mudd....Lokmeer!


I knowz ya haven't fergotten her, eh?

Ya say ya have & ya wish ya could, but I knowz ya haven't...Bud!

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 06:27:04 PMI thought Rednecks were supposed ta be friendly...Lokmeer!

Maybe a bit a moonshine will calm ya down.

I'm racist, not redneck. I drink Jack Daniels, not moonshine.

Quote from: JOE on March 01, 2024, 06:32:59 PMEveery time ya talk about yer Ex/1st wife, it reminds me of that guy Harry Fenton Mudd....Lokmeer!

I knowz ya haven't fergotten her, eh?

Ya say ya have & ya wish ya could, but I knowz ya haven't...Bud!

Yea, thats about right. I hear the dumb bitch is medicated these days. She's still fat and ugly tho and doesnt have a pot to piss in. LMFAO!

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 06:42:33 PMYea, thats about right. I hear the dumb bitch is medicated these days. She's still fat and ugly tho and doesnt have a pot to piss in. LMFAO!

Was yer first wife fat 'n ugly when ya first met 'er, Lokmeer?

Quote from: JOE on March 02, 2024, 03:06:20 AMWas yer first wife fat 'n ugly when ya first met 'er, Lokmeer?

Are you ever nosy. Like a forum mole.

Quote from: JOE on March 02, 2024, 03:06:20 AMWas yer first wife fat 'n ugly when ya first met 'er, Lokmeer?

She was absolutely beautiful when I had my hands wrapped around her throat.

Fuktard.

Do you have grandchildren yet Lokmar?

Back on topic DKG...

...I remember drivin' limo & drove this Korean pop band called AOMG (Above Average Ordinary More Great?) while they were in Vancouver, eh?


I guess this is what they refer ta 'K-Pop'?

Rolling Stone article on this genre:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-korean-pop-songs-1234727955/gee-girls-generation-1234728145/

Anyways, for a buncha pop/rock stars, they were a pretty quiet well-behaved bunch. Not rough at all. More like school kids from primary school. Maybe cuz I was older, they respected me as 'an elder'?

Anyways there was these young Korean girl/woman in her early 20s I spoke to briefly & I took her suitcase/bags. Then she smiled and started to giggle like a little schoolgirl. She was very pretty. I think she had a bit of cosmetic surgery/eye job tho. I'm not sure what the function in her group was. Maybe she was the g/f of one of the k-pop stars? A publicist who work for the group? But I don't think she was a performer.

Maybe she liked me? I dunno. Maybe she was jes laughin at me. lol. Anyways most Koreans especially from the Old Country seem very reserved & I don't think they have open displays of emotion like that?

Anyways, that was my 'Korean Cutie' memory.

I wonder if I'd meet more like that if I went ta Seoul for a vacation, eh?

Whaddya think, DKG?

Sure Joe. We believe you. :spam1:

Quote from: JOE on March 02, 2024, 11:56:37 AMBack on topic DKG...

...I remember drivin' limo & drove this Korean pop band called AOMG (Above Average Ordinary More Great?) while they were in Vancouver, eh?

I guess this is what they refer ta 'K-Pop'?

Rolling Stone article on this genre:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-korean-pop-songs-1234727955/gee-girls-generation-1234728145/

Anyways, for a buncha pop/rock stars, they were a pretty quiet well-behaved bunch. Not rough at all. More like school kids from primary school. Maybe cuz I was older, they respected me as 'an elder'?

Anyways there was these young Korean girl/woman in her early 20s I spoke to briefly & I took her suitcase/bags. Then she smiled and started to giggle like a little schoolgirl. She was very pretty. I think she had a bit of cosmetic surgery/eye job tho. I'm not sure what the function in her group was. Maybe she was the g/f of one of the k-pop stars? A publicist who work for the group? But I don't think she was a performer.

Maybe she liked me? I dunno. Maybe she was jes laughin at me. lol. Anyways most Koreans especially from the Old Country seem very reserved & I don't think they have open displays of emotion like that?

Anyways, that was my 'Korean Cutie' memory.

I wonder if I'd meet more like that if I went ta Seoul for a vacation, eh?

Whaddya think, DKG?

None of us should be surprised if Senile Joe goes on a shooting spree or does something else violent to young women.

I almost feel like I should alert the authorities.

Quote from: formosan on March 02, 2024, 11:48:04 AMDo you have grandchildren yet Lokmar?

Yes. My ex and I are never visiting her at the same time. When my daughter got married, it was a total fiasco. The dumb bitch had a theatrical meltdown in the church because I would not pose with the photographer in a picture excluding my wife. After that, I thought it best we never be around each other again.

I visit my kids and granddaughter in Florida several times a year. Its always a blast.

Quote from: Lokmar on March 02, 2024, 11:46:50 AMShe was absolutely beautiful when I had my hands wrapped around her throat.

Fuktard.

So in other words, you chose ta bang an' knock up an ugly girl first time ya met, eh Lokmeer?

Quote from: JOE on March 02, 2024, 04:07:40 PMSo in other words, you chose ta bang an' knock up an ugly girl first time ya met, eh Lokmeer?

Shits sakes, josephine, everyone else here can recite the events like it happened to them first hand. WTF is wrong with YOUR dumb ass?

Quote from: Lokmar on March 01, 2024, 05:30:31 PMjosephine gets 2 fukin black eyes and a gag ball tho during. Right?

every time

Quote from: Lokmar on March 02, 2024, 03:01:37 PMYes. My ex and I are never visiting her at the same time. When my daughter got married, it was a total fiasco. The dumb bitch had a theatrical meltdown in the church because I would not pose with the photographer in a picture excluding my wife. After that, I thought it best we never be around each other again.

I visit my kids and granddaughter in Florida several times a year. Its always a blast.

I'm happy you're able to visit your lovely granddaughter Lokmar.

Watch this Korean American on the 4B Movement.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PL1Dfzj9VLs

I keep reading articles about falling birth rates and population levels and they always talk about it like it's a bad thing.

Then I read articles about 'man made climate change', the skyrocketing cost of housing, the immigration crisis, dwindling water supplies and all the other problems caused by too many people being on the planet.

Falling birth rates and population levels are a GOOD thing but nobody seems to understand that.   

Quote from: DKG on March 22, 2024, 10:29:54 AMWatch this Korean American on the 4B Movement.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PL1Dfzj9VLs

It will be up to North Koreans to carry on the bloodline.

Quote from: Oliver the Second on March 22, 2024, 11:26:16 PMI keep reading articles about falling birth rates and population levels and they always talk about it like it's a bad thing.

Then I read articles about 'man made climate change', the skyrocketing cost of housing, the immigration crisis, dwindling water supplies and all the other problems caused by too many people being on the planet.

Falling birth rates and population levels are a GOOD thing but nobody seems to understand that.   

Birth rates dropping are definitely a good thing. People who don't own their own home shouldn't have kids.

When birth rates dip below what is known as the "replacement" fertility rate of 2.1, the optimal rate to maintain population stability, it can engender concern about a future lack of healthy, young workers needed to maintain economic productivity.

Quote from: DKG on March 23, 2024, 09:33:57 AMWhen birth rates dip below what is known as the "replacement" fertility rate of 2.1, the optimal rate to maintain population stability, it can engender concern about a future lack of healthy, young workers needed to maintain economic productivity.

Do you think this will force South Korea to allow immigration if the population falls below replacement level and even encourage interracial marriage, DKG ?

One thing South Korea has going for it now - is it's a relatively prosperous nation with a high GDP and per capita income.
Probably a decent education system and infrastructure now.

South Koreans can afford to expand beyond their borders.
Even import new immigrants.
I'm sure there are a lotta White Eastern Europeans from the poorer countries who might immigrate to Korea if there are jobs and a better life for they and their children.

All that would have to change is social attitudes in Korea that would permit new immigrants and interracial marriage.

I suppose if the older generation dies off, maybe the younger generation might embrace new policies?

As their birthrates have dropped, Japan is starting to see much more interracial marriage and biracial children.


could this be the wave of the future for  South Korea as well?
Koreans don't seem to be as isolated as they used to be and may become more cosmopolitan as time goes on.

Quote from: DKG on March 23, 2024, 09:33:57 AMWhen birth rates dip below what is known as the "replacement" fertility rate of 2.1, the optimal rate to maintain population stability, it can engender concern about a future lack of healthy, young workers needed to maintain economic productivity.

AI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 09:26:18 PMAI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

The objective of AI is to create a modern form of feudalism by the elites to control and subjugate the masses TheProwlerT

And make no mistake about it the elites and corporations grow increasingly uneasy about the growing discontent of the masses who they fear will revolt and overthrow their oppressive order. Ie - the riot police of the future will resemble Robocop of the future with truncheons to strike down starving protesters in the streets.

All AI is for is taking 10 things away from us and giving back a small bone the Elites will label as 'new & improved' to the masses.

But anyone with common sense know and understand what these sleazy corporations and power hungry elites want.

Unlike you at least Oliver ClotheshoffeO appears better than you what's goin on and what will unfold Prowler. So does LokmarL

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMThe objective of AI is to create a modern form of feudalism by the elites to control and subjugate the masses

You say that like it is a bad thing.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMAnd make no mistake about it the elites and corporations grow increasingly uneasy about the growing discontent of the masses who they fear will revolt and overthrow their oppressive order.

There will be civil unrest.  But the aggression will mainly be focused on different distinct groups of citizens.  This is one of the main reasons for "diversity".  Diversity creates unrest.  And diversity creates groups of the population that see each other as the enemies.

The Elites and corporations will come out of the blood bath virtually unscathed.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMthe riot police of the future will resemble Robocop of the future with truncheons to strike down starving protesters in the streets.

Yeah, the survivors of the civil war will then be wiped out or kept as a working class.  But most will simply be wiped out because very few human workers will be needed.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMAll AI is for is taking 10 things away from us and giving back a small bone the Elites will label as 'new & improved' to the masses.

You are looking at things so negatively.

Perhaps this is all a matter of perspective....

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMBut anyone with common sense know and understand what these sleazy corporations and power hungry elites want.

There is no need for personal insults, Subject 473 982 871.  I mean Senile JOEJ.

Quote from: JOE on March 23, 2024, 10:24:57 PMUnlike you at least Oliver ClotheshoffeO (https://thebluecashew.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3349)appears better than you what's goin on and what will unfold Prowler. So does LokmarL (https://thebluecashew.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3351)

Oh?

Do they?

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 10:46:54 PMYou are looking at things so negatively.

Perhaps this is all a matter of perspective....

Yes I do and for good reason dumb TheProwlerT.

For example all of our/your favorite software programs such as Wordperfect are going subscription only or being replaced by AI.

That's why I'm buying all my favorite perpetual software movies and music on CD and DVD before it disappears or is gone replaced by AI.

Whether you realize it or not it's all getting taken away from us dumb Prowler

I'm no communist or Marxist but Karl Marx was correct when he told workers to take control of the means of production. The elites knew or know he was right.

And that's why they are destroying the software industry so you can no longer own it dumb Prowler

As they say he who owns all da gold makes da rules and can create his own wealth.

That's why they wanna take software we can own away from us.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 23, 2024, 09:26:18 PMAI and other forms of technology can make workers much more productive,  We should be embracing technologies that makes workers more efficient.

So we can reduce our population and still be as productive as necessary.

Natural resources are limited.  Pollution is bad.

Crowded beaches bug me.

And we need to plant trees.

There is less real pollution today than 130 years ago. People live longer today than they did 130 years ago. These advances happened with more people not less.

Prosperity will solve overpopulation problem. Educated, prosperous people have fewer kids. We know that. But, if we force them to adopt the West's insane energy transition schemes, they will never be prosperous and the overpopulation problem will continue.

Deprivation, poverty, and taking away choices have not worked to lower global fertiility rates despite what socialists believe. On the other hand, we know prosperity does work.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 11:44:17 AMDeprivation, poverty, and taking away choices have not worked to lower global fertiility rates despite what socialists believe. On the other hand, we know prosperity does work.

It sounds like you agree that depopulation is necessary, or at least desirable.

Savages/idiots cannot be prosperous in modern times.  A lot of countries have a very high percentage of these people.

Spending resources to help them become prosperous is a waste.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 03:52:46 PMIt sounds like you agree that depopulation is necessary, or at least desirable.

Savages/idiots cannot be prosperous in modern times.  A lot of countries have a very high percentage of these people.

Spending resources to help them become prosperous is a waste.

You are on the right track. But, the resources spent are wasted on green socialism which is guaranteed to keep them poor and their ferility rate high.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 06:35:06 PMYou are on the right track. But, the resources spent are wasted on green socialism which is guaranteed to keep them poor and their ferility rate high.

You worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

Quote from: DKG on March 24, 2024, 11:16:36 AMThere is less real pollution today than 130 years ago. People live longer today than they did 130 years ago. These advances happened with more people not less.

Prosperity will solve overpopulation problem. Educated, prosperous people have fewer kids. We know that. But, if we force them to adopt the West's insane energy transition schemes, they will never be prosperous and the overpopulation problem will continue.

The world functioned beautifully when there was 3 billion.... more people does not equate to anything but misery. We now have 8 billion mostly miserable people.... You and I might be well off and happy but 92% are suffering badly.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 10:22:24 PMYou worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

well he is Nth Korean.

Developed countries need more babies to pay for all their old people on pensions. Developing countries need to reduce their fertility rates.

Quote from: Shen Li on March 24, 2024, 11:47:29 PMDeveloped countries need more babies to pay for all their old people on pensions.

This is old thinking.

Obsolete.

With AI/technology, people are more productive.

To make it simple for you, think of how much production we need.

Quantify it.  "It will taken 1000 workers to produce all the good and services we need."

Well, with technology it will only take, let's say 25%, of the manpower.

So we only need 250 workers.

If you are worried about that meaning there will only be 25% of the taxes, do not worry.  There are many solutions to that.  Corporate tax.  Pay higher wages, which will increase taxes.

Also, because production costs much less, we can have lower prices and a lower cost of living.

It is always good to be more efficient.  It is just a matter of implementing changes to The System to properly manage the new efficiencies.

Expenses are higher and less revenue. More makers than takers. That isn't obsolete, that is the reality for all the developed countries on my side of the world. Where you are they offset if with immigration.

Pension companies are a ponzi scheme.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 24, 2024, 10:22:24 PMYou worry about 3rd world countries too much.

Close their borders.  Let them do what they are gonna do.

They do not produce a significant amount of pollution.

If they move up the economic ladder their overpopulation problem will right itself. Instead of receiving aid, they will become markets for developed countries.

But, in the mean time, I agree, sustainable immigration policies are needed. The number of students, TFW's, refugees, and immigrants we are allowing in each year under Trudeau is unsustainable. It is stretching already thin health cares sources to their limits. Classrooms are bursting at the seams. And of course, we cannot possible build enough housing for 1.5-2 million newcomers a year.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 25, 2024, 12:32:33 AMThis is old thinking.

Obsolete.

With AI/technology, people are more productive.

To make it simple for you, think of how much production we need.

Quantify it.  "It will taken 1000 workers to produce all the good and services we need."

Well, with technology it will only take, let's say 25%, of the manpower.

So we only need 250 workers.

If you are worried about that meaning there will only be 25% of the taxes, do not worry.  There are many solutions to that.  Corporate tax.  Pay higher wages, which will increase taxes.

Also, because production costs much less, we can have lower prices and a lower cost of living.

It is always good to be more efficient.  It is just a matter of implementing changes to The System to properly manage the new efficiencies.

If there are fewer jobs & so many unemployed, who is gonna be able to buy these abundant goods TheProwlerT ?

And the last computer age produced so much junk overflowing in our land fills, more junk will make the situation even worse.

Also the planet only has 100 years of natural resources left at best


So will AI make us better recyclers too Prowler? If all the resources run out we will have no choice but to recycle what the planet has left. Eventually everything will need to be made out of recycled materials.

Will AI figure out that problem Ptowler?

AI will create a massive oversupply if the planet produces even more. And we'll run out of raw materials and energy sources to keep feeding it.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMIf there are fewer jobs & so many unemployed, who is gonna be able to buy these abundant goods TheProwlerT (https://thebluecashew.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3379)?

This is why there needs to be a transition period, Senile JOEJ.

Shorter work weeks and early retirement will make for higher employment numbers.

So unemployment is not necessary.

And as the population is reduced, more efficient technologies can be put in place which will ensure that production levels satisfy our needs.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMAnd the last computer age produced so much junk overflowing in our land fills, more junk will make the situation even worse.

That is a different subject, Senile Joe.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMAlso the planet only has 100 years of natural resources left at best

Not when we significantly reduce the population.

Duh.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:03:32 PMSo will AI make us better recyclers too Prowler? If all the resources run out we will have no choice but to recycle what the planet has left. Eventually everything will need to be made out of recycled materials.

Will AI figure out that problem Ptowler?

That is a different problem, Senile Joe.

One that population reduction will help solve.



But, obviously when we are more efficient in our production of goods and services, we will be able to dedicate more human resources to other areas of interest like natural resource sustainability.


Again, DUH.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 12:15:02 PMAI will create a massive oversupply if the planet produces even more. And we'll run out of raw materials and energy sources to keep feeding it.

Do not be so stupid, Senile Joe.

Why would we produce more than we need?

Anyone who think being inefficient is better than being efficient should just sit this one out.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 25, 2024, 07:22:10 PMDo not be so stupid, Senile Joe.

Why would we produce more than we need?

Anyone who think being inefficient is better than being efficient should just sit this one out.

We produce more than we need in order to create a surplus, therefore lowering the cost of consumer goods and making them more accessible to those who previously were unable to afford them.

Supply and Demand Have never been and will never be in equilibrium. We can get close, but because of many things (such as the delay in supply change in response to demand.) it will never be a 100% efficient system.

The only ones willing to have fewer children are Europeans some Asians and North Americans TheProwlerT

Otherwise much of the planet's population is still exploding in the middle east Africa & central America

We'll probably reach 10 bil within 30 years.

I don't think po' mother earth can take too much more.

You might still be alive then.
But you will not like what you see.

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 25, 2024, 08:11:12 PMmaking them more accessible to those who previously were unable to afford them.

When I say "need" I am really talking about "want".  Most stuff we do not "need" and most of what we are talking about is more of a "want" than a "need".

So arguing that point is just semantics.

If people were previously unable to afford a product, then producing it at a price they can afford is not producing more than we want.  When I say more than we want (or need), I am referring to Senile JOEJ's claim that we will produce an "oversupply".

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 25, 2024, 08:11:12 PMSupply and Demand Have never been and will never be in equilibrium. We can get close, but because of many things (such as the delay in supply change in response to demand.) it will never be a 100% efficient system.

I do not want to go off on a tangent about what I mean by "efficient".

I am talking about efficient methods of producing goods or services.  I am not talking about accurately projecting the demand for a product.

Quote from: JOE on March 25, 2024, 10:39:14 PMThe only ones willing to have fewer children are Europeans some Asians and North Americans TheProwlerT

Otherwise much of the planet's population is still exploding in the middle east Africa & central America

We'll probably reach 10 bil within 30 years.

I don't think po' mother earth can take too much more.

You might still be alive then.
But you will not like what you see.

Which is why plans are in place to reduce the population.


We can do this the easy way......


Or we can do it the hard way.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 26, 2024, 12:20:46 AMWhen I say "need" I am really talking about "want".  Most stuff we do not "need" and most of what we are talking about is more of a "want" than a "need".

So arguing that point is just semantics.

If people were previously unable to afford a product, then producing it at a price they can afford is not producing more than we want.  When I say more than we want (or need), I am referring to Senile JOEJ's claim that we will produce an "oversupply".


I do not want to go off on a tangent about what I mean by "efficient".

I am talking about efficient methods of producing goods or services.  I am not talking about accurately projecting the demand for a product.

Ok, I suppose I misunderstood.

What does Joe mean by oversupply?

Usually, when supply exceeds demand, prices fall, and then shortly after supply falls.

A surplus is usually a good thing in my understanding of economics, Joe by oversupply do you simply mean a surplus?

Also how do I @ someone it isn't working for me, maybe because I'm on mobile right now.

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 26, 2024, 12:29:42 AMWhat does Joe mean by oversupply?

It is Senile JOEJ so we all have to make a lot of assumptions.

You could ask him what he meant, but he is very unlikely to try to explain himself because he has the attention span of a frying pan.

He will be surprised he said it and will not know what he meant.

But, piecing together his irrational thoughts and fears, I assume he thinks AI will totally take over and fulfill its Prime Directive of producing as many Widgets as possible without any human input or interference.

The guy is nuts.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 26, 2024, 12:36:35 AMIt is Senile JOEJ so we all have to make a lot of assumptions.

You could ask him what he meant, but he is very unlikely to try to explain himself because he has the attention span of a frying pan.

He will be surprised he said it and will not know what he meant.

But, piecing together his irrational thoughts and fears, I assume he thinks AI will totally take over and fulfill its Prime Directive of producing as many Widgets as possible without any human input or interference.

The guy is nuts.

Well put it this way TheProwlerT .... if we already have 10-100x more junk today than 50 years ago because of the first wave of computing, then just think how much more junk AI and robotics are capable of producing. 1000s of times more.

Unless the AI has algorithms to produce only what we need.

But that doesn't take into account consumer appetites or human greed.

People don't think like machines, and they have irrational wants and desires.
And if a company thinks it can capitalize of this demand, they'll produce even more junk and wreck our environment even more. More production means more profits for them. Of course they won't stop at $1 million in sales. They'll want $10,000,000 and if AI/Robotics can deliver it for them, then greed rather than what actually need takes over.

So of course what that could lead to is even more overproduction, pollution, etc.

Quote from: JOE on March 26, 2024, 12:43:21 AMWell put it this way TheProwlerT .... if we already have 10-100x more junk today than 50 years ago because of the first wave of computing, then just think how much more junk AI and robotics are capable of producing. 1000s of times more.

Unless the AI has algorithms to produce only what we need.

But that doesn't take into account consumer appetites or human greed.

People don't think like machines, and they have irrational wants and desires.
And if a company thinks it can capitalize of this demand, they'll produce even more junk and wreck our environment even more. More production means more profits for them. Of course they won't stop at $1 million in sales. They'll want $10,000,000 and if AI/Robotics can deliver it for them, then greed rather than what actually need takes over.

So of course what that could lead to is even more overproduction, pollution, etc.

And that right there is exactly whey stupid people are going to be first on The Culling List.

Josephina asks himself in his head "would I get to be orally gang banged by 12 guys and make coal coal coal ling ling ling coo coo cachoo sounds from my throat? Oh, YES PLEASE! Most imminent volunteer sign up vibes being put out to the universe in 3-2-1!! Ride my larynx, Cowboi's!!"

Quote from: Kingoffrogs on March 26, 2024, 12:29:42 AMOk, I suppose I misunderstood.

What does Joe mean by oversupply?

Usually, when supply exceeds demand, prices fall, and then shortly after supply falls.

A surplus is usually a good thing in my understanding of economics, Joe by oversupply do you simply mean a surplus?

Also how do I @ someone it isn't working for me, maybe because I'm on mobile right now.

Brother, he wants attention. That is the only reason he posts. Don't pay much attention to want he writes because he won't pay mauch attention to his own posts.

Quote from: TheProwler on March 26, 2024, 12:50:06 AMAnd that right there is exactly whey stupid people are going to be first on The Culling List.

Yknow TheProwlerT even large corporations consulting firms and tech billionaires like Elon Musk have publicly stated they dont know how AI will play out. AI is an unknown variable. Musk has stated himself that he fears AI and he uses it & Tesla is in the forefront of it.

So if the average person fears like those high up do, then it is a rational feqar

There are too many people in South-Korea.

Their population should be a few million tops.

Quote from: Odinson on March 26, 2024, 10:35:52 AMThere are too many people in South-Korea.

Their population should be a few million tops.

This thread was not about population control. It was about some people within an ethnicity wanting their ethnicity to become extinct. Scouse posts about this all the time. The only difference is that he blames it on outsiders, those evil Jews.

Quote from: DKG on March 26, 2024, 10:54:25 AMThis thread was not about population control. It was about some people within an ethnicity wanting their ethnicity to become extinct. Scouse posts about this all the time. The only difference is that he blames it on outsiders, those evil Jews.

I wonder if these demographic trends will lead to greater intermarriage among Young Koreans & more non Korean immigrants to South Korea DKG

Half Korean Half White:

Koreans are pretty racey racey.


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